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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:37 PM

A guy i work with downloads most of every day and has a pirated collection of over 250,000 songs, countless movies and every hacked program under the sun. It would take 3 solid years of 24/7 playing time to listen to all that music. Ridiculous.

I'd say that guys like him are the target. Digital hoarders.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:42 PM

JEBUS^^^ :shock:
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:18 PM

A guy i work with downloads most of every day and has a pirated collection of over 250,000 songs, countless movies and every hacked program under the sun.  It would take 3 solid years of 24/7 playing time to listen to all that music.  Ridiculous.

I'd say that guys like him are the target.  Digital hoarders.


Wow. His wife/fiance/girlfriend is a lucky girl.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 01:58 PM

A guy i work with downloads most of every day and has a pirated collection of over 250,000 songs, countless movies and every hacked program under the sun. It would take 3 solid years of 24/7 playing time to listen to all that music. Ridiculous.

I'd say that guys like him are the target. Digital hoarders.


Exactly!

I've illegally downloaded a handful of things throughout my life and none of which is still on my computer.

Like someone posted before, I download things for a trail run, if I like it I'll buy it, if I don't I delete it.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 04:49 AM

I've been downloading episodes of the Amazing Race because this season it hasn't seemed to start at the proper time more than once so I end up with like 25 minutes of f'ing 60 minutes on my G.D. PVR and only 35 minutes of the show. PISSES ME OFF TO NO END.

Ok my Shaw PVR does this too. Either doesnt record at the beginning or misses part at the end from time to time and its annoying as hell.

I rarely download music now, its much more convenient to buy it through my iPhone on iTunes. If I do happen to download an album now usually I just buy it through my phone later. Its funny how many artists DONT care if you download their stuff since they make next to nothing through selling CDs/digital files, etc. and make 99% of their money through concerts anyways.

Only thing I download consistantly now is Sons of Anarchy and thats because Shaw doesn't offer it but I also own each season on bluray after the season ended and it comes to DVD.

Well, most people that I know are criminals since they just download bunch of movies from torrents. I even know a vet who makes 6 figures and has 3 beamers yet he downloads a bunch of movies each week to watch from the comfort of his house. My point is that you might be in the minority when it comes to this. I personally don't download because I want everything on demand and thats why I have Netflix and go to streaming sites. People still download movies and songs but I think with the increase in internet speeds, everyone will eventually be streaming via Hulu, Pandora, XBMC, Netflix etc.

Whats the best hardware to put XBMC on to watch on your TV? I know I can order an Apple TV2 from the USA for about $150 and do it but is their other hardware that works better with HDMI (ATV2 doesn't have HDMI if I am not mistakened).
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:05 AM

With Netflix, Hulu and XBMC getting more popular, people will start streaming contents more than they would download.


i'm not familiar with hulu and xbmc..are these like netflix? hows the selections in canada using these two?

I tried netflix canada, but the selections are very limited.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:50 AM

i'm not familiar with hulu and xbmc..are these like netflix? hows the selections in canada using these two?

I tried netflix canada, but the selections are very limited.

Google how to get american netflix in canada, trust me its worth it. Much better selection.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 01:29 PM

That is exactly what they are doing. It's almost entrapment...pretty close...

thats just it wait until the first case goes to court and they are ordered to disclose exactly how they obtained a list of who DL'ed the movies....
and if they are the ones putting the movies online ( almost have to be because no one else would)
they are releasing there works to the freedom of the internet. and whould have no case if there works were not there they couldn't be taken.

if i put a 20$ bill on the ground at the mall and sit down and wait until someone picks it up can i have them arrested for stealing.?
Heck even if they are not the ones putting it online.
say someone else takes my 20$ puts it on the ground and someone else picks it up before i can, can i have the person picking up the money charged with stealing.?
What if they didn't steal it but it was given to them with the understanding they would use that 20$ for there personal use and then put it on the ground for someone else to find/take/use/ etc.
how much of the stuff was stolen befor being place online?
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:22 PM

Ok my Shaw PVR does this too. Either doesnt record at the beginning or misses part at the end from time to time and its annoying as hell.

I rarely download music now, its much more convenient to buy it through my iPhone on iTunes. If I do happen to download an album now usually I just buy it through my phone later. Its funny how many artists DONT care if you download their stuff since they make next to nothing through selling CDs/digital files, etc. and make 99% of their money through concerts anyways.

Only thing I download consistantly now is Sons of Anarchy and thats because Shaw doesn't offer it but I also own each season on bluray after the season ended and it comes to DVD.

Whats the best hardware to put XBMC on to watch on your TV? I know I can order an Apple TV2 from the USA for about $150 and do it but is their other hardware that works better with HDMI (ATV2 doesn't have HDMI if I am not mistakened).


You can just put it in an HTPC. I just use my laptop which has HDMI to connect to my TV. Apple TV is probably your best bet and you can get one for $99. I just add on Navi-X and get everything on it.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:29 PM

i'm not familiar with hulu and xbmc..are these like netflix? hows the selections in canada using these two?

I tried netflix canada, but the selections are very limited.


Hulu is similar to Netflix but it is mainly good for viewing recent TV shows or movies that were shown on TV. Netflix has contents that were not shown on TV and has better movie selection. XBMC is an open source program where you could add-on other programs to it. It is used to navigate through all your media such as pictures, music, movies and everything else you have on your computer.

I have Unblock-Us service and can get all of the US content here. Hulu is for watching all the TV shows that you might've missed (no need for PVR). XBMC with Navi-X add-on will give you all the movies including new releases and the ones currently playing in theaters in SD, 720P and 1080P along with almost all the channels that exists which include Setanta HD, Fox sports, ESPN, CNN, HBO, CINEMAX and too many channels to list here. Then I have Pandora for on-demand music selection. Then I also have Netflix to watch foreign movies and movies that are hard to find on net. The best thing is to use Unblock-Us for $4.99/month and have the ability to use pandora, US Netflix and Hulu. XBMC doesn't need the Unblock-Us service and can be used in any country. With all these services, I don't have cable TV and don't need PVR to record anything since everything I need is on demand right at my finger tip. I don't waste my HDD space to download stuff either unless am burning a music CD.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:45 PM

Ok my Shaw PVR does this too. Either doesnt record at the beginning or misses part at the end from time to time and its annoying as hell.


I've had that issue with some channels as well. It's not the PVR's issue, its the networks. Spike for instance is really bad for starting shows a few minutes early or a few minutes late. You can go in and set the PVR to start recording early and to run late.

On the channels I know that do this I set the PVR to record 5 to 10 minutes before the show is scheduled to start and then 5 to 10 minutes late.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:56 PM

Ok my Shaw PVR does this too. Either doesnt record at the beginning or misses part at the end from time to time and its annoying as hell.

I rarely download music now, its much more convenient to buy it through my iPhone on iTunes. If I do happen to download an album now usually I just buy it through my phone later. Its funny how many artists DONT care if you download their stuff since they make next to nothing through selling CDs/digital files, etc. and make 99% of their money through concerts anyways.

Only thing I download consistantly now is Sons of Anarchy and thats because Shaw doesn't offer it but I also own each season on bluray after the season ended and it comes to DVD.

Whats the best hardware to put XBMC on to watch on your TV? I know I can order an Apple TV2 from the USA for about $150 and do it but is their other hardware that works better with HDMI (ATV2 doesn't have HDMI if I am not mistakened).


Management eats up a lot of that money for CDs/digital files. The trickle down effect never works.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 06:55 PM

So it seems right now they are only going after bittorrent users? Haven't used that in years.. Zippyshare for me. Anyways i can't believe in this day and age they are still purseing this crap. It's not going to stop a damn thing.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:46 PM

We had a phone call the other day about a download.

My friend was over & downloaded WWE Survivor Series on our wifi. I freaked him out pretty good. Told him we'd be giving him an invoice to cover the $5000 charge, my dad will be dropping by your home to discuss everything with you.

That was a 3rd situation where they have notified us about an illegal download. They never do anything though.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:15 AM

You can just put it in an HTPC. I just use my laptop which has HDMI to connect to my TV. Apple TV is probably your best bet and you can get one for $99. I just add on Navi-X and get everything on it.

Haha yea my laptop can barely run youtube videos without lagging so I am sure I wouldnt want to hook it up to my TV haha. Yea probably will go the apple TV route after christmas.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 03:39 PM

Haha yea my laptop can barely run youtube videos without lagging so I am sure I wouldnt want to hook it up to my TV haha. Yea probably will go the apple TV route after christmas.


You can jailbreak your Apple TV and put XBMC on there.

Here is some instructions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwQWMf6VJy4

Apple TV with XBMC and NAVI-X

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UhT0sDGJyI

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 07:22 PM

Hulu is similar to Netflix but it is mainly good for viewing recent TV shows or movies that were shown on TV. Netflix has contents that were not shown on TV and has better movie selection. XBMC is an open source program where you could add-on other programs to it. It is used to navigate through all your media such as pictures, music, movies and everything else you have on your computer.

I have Unblock-Us service and can get all of the US content here. Hulu is for watching all the TV shows that you might've missed (no need for PVR). XBMC with Navi-X add-on will give you all the movies including new releases and the ones currently playing in theaters in SD, 720P and 1080P along with almost all the channels that exists which include Setanta HD, Fox sports, ESPN, CNN, HBO, CINEMAX and too many channels to list here. Then I have Pandora for on-demand music selection. Then I also have Netflix to watch foreign movies and movies that are hard to find on net. The best thing is to use Unblock-Us for $4.99/month and have the ability to use pandora, US Netflix and Hulu. XBMC doesn't need the Unblock-Us service and can be used in any country. With all these services, I don't have cable TV and don't need PVR to record anything since everything I need is on demand right at my finger tip. I don't waste my HDD space to download stuff either unless am burning a music CD.


I've tried using XBMC and I can't seem to get it to work. I am able to add the repositories but when I go to watch them 95% of the streams didn't work. I got an error saying the plug in didn't work so I figure I must have done something wrong. Did you run in to this problem or do you know a way to fix it?
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:54 PM

I don't see how they can possibly draw the line from downloading a torrent to copyright infringement. They might as well sue you for watching a movie at your friend's house instead of buying it yourself. Ridiculous!
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:27 AM

I've had that issue with some channels as well. It's not the PVR's issue, its the networks. Spike for instance is really bad for starting shows a few minutes early or a few minutes late. You can go in and set the PVR to start recording early and to run late.

On the channels I know that do this I set the PVR to record 5 to 10 minutes before the show is scheduled to start and then 5 to 10 minutes late.


Problem is, in the case of Amazing Race...it seems to be different every week. Some weeks it starts 5 minutes late, some it's closer to a half hour. It's ridiculous.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:11 PM

The law has been up for about a month or two,they're probably targetting people within that window. The problem they face is that it really wouldn't be worth it to take someone to court for 5000, considering that it's also likely they wouldn't even win that much. If you ever get a letter and a demand for money, I think it's been suggested that you actually just take it to court. Though, if they come at you with a bunch, then yeah, it's probably going to suck.

It's still really a pain in the ass though as far as downloading stuff goes, because it's entirely possible that ISP companies could turn around eventually and threaten to cut you off the internet so they don't have to deal with being hassled.

Though, it should be said, that while the 'wifi' defense can bring up, if you get technical, they'd be able to tell with the MAC address who downloads what. And VPN or not, firewalls or proxy things or not, it's still not impossible for them to make a line to you. It's not to scare people off from downloading, just saying use common sense.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 06:39 PM

The law has been up for about a month or two,they're probably targetting people within that window. The problem they face is that it really wouldn't be worth it to take someone to court for 5000, considering that it's also likely they wouldn't even win that much. If you ever get a letter and a demand for money, I think it's been suggested that you actually just take it to court. Though, if they come at you with a bunch, then yeah, it's probably going to suck.

It's still really a pain in the ass though as far as downloading stuff goes, because it's entirely possible that ISP companies could turn around eventually and threaten to cut you off the internet so they don't have to deal with being hassled.

Though, it should be said, that while the 'wifi' defense can bring up, if you get technical, they'd be able to tell with the MAC address who downloads what. And VPN or not, firewalls or proxy things or not, it's still not impossible for them to make a line to you. It's not to scare people off from downloading, just saying use common sense.

If a company says they have my MAC address and proof it was that computer that Downloaded the movie at that exact time i would have to ask them how the legally accessed that information.
pretty sure the only MAC address the ISP would have would be of the Router hooked up to the Modem not the MAC addresses of the PC's etc hooked up to the router. or i could be completely wrong.

and i am not sure how many routers would actually keep a record of every MAC address that ever hooked up to it..
mine will only show the current ones nothing in the logs..

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:17 AM

Anyone seen the article in the Sun a few days back regarding how this issue is being brought up again??
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:00 AM

Anyone seen the article in the Sun a few days back regarding how this issue is being brought up again??


Nope. You could link it...?
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:19 AM

Just get a VPN and all your worries are gone
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Posted 21 February 2014 - 06:03 AM

Guess who is back and now has government backing... Yikes can't wait to read your replies
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Posted 21 February 2014 - 11:35 AM

From the Globe and Mail


Canadian Internet service provider TekSavvy Solutions Inc. has been ordered to hand over a list of names and addresses of its customers suspected of illegally downloading movies, in a landmark Federal Court decision.
The ruling is sure to grab the attention of millions of Canadian who engage in what is known as “peer-to-peer” file sharing on the Internet, which allows users to share pieces of copyrighted movies or other content for free. But its ultimate impact on anyone who illegally downloads hit films or other content in Canada is harder to predict


In a decision dated Feb. 20, the Federal Court of Canada sided with Voltage Pictures LLC, producer of the Oscar-nominated film The Hurt Locker and ordered TekSavvy Solutions Inc. to produce a list of about 2,000 names and address of customers associated with Internet Protocol (IP) addresses the film company alleges illegally downloaded its movies.
Lawyer James Zibarras, who acted for Voltage, said the decision marks a shift from a 2006 ruling that went against BMG Canada Inc. in its attempt to track down illegal music downloaders.
“That was heralded by many people as a kind of green light for downloading,” Mr. Zibarras said. “This is the first time that case has been reconsidered by the court.”
Mr. Zibarras said users who infringed copyright could face a maximum financial penalty of $5,000 under Canadian law, depending on how many movies they downloaded. He said affected TekSavvy users have already been given notice of the issue by TekSavvy.
“We’re not going to seek their firstborns,” Mr. Zibarras said, arguing that small movie producers have been hurt by the revenue they lose as a result of illegal downloading. “But there has to be some recourse of rights owners.”
In the decision, Federal Court Prothonotary Kevin Aalto applied the test established in the 2006 BMG case, which held that a copyright holder seeking this kind of information must have a real case and must not have any other method of getting the information.
U.S. courts have for years allowed this kind of information be handed over to copyright holders. And this is not the first time a Canadian court has made a similar order: Voltage itself previously secured a similar ruling in Canada, as has another film production company. But lawyers say it is the first time a Canadian court has grappled with the issue so comprehensively.
Still, it remains unclear just how broad the decision’s impact could be.
Intervening in the case, and essentially facing off against Voltage, was University of Ottawa law professor David Fewer, the executive director of the Samuelson-Glushko Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic. TekSavvy, which is based in Chatham, Ont., took no position in the legal proceedings.
While the decision does force TekSavvy to hand over the list of addresses for Voltage to pursue copyright infringement cases, Mr. Fewer said in an interview that the ruling clarifies what legal tests a copyright holder must meet and also imposes safeguards to block the activity of what are known as “copyright trolls.”
Prof. Fewer had argued that allowing copyright holders to access contact information allows the creation of a “business model” that sends small-time users threatening letters demanding large payments for copyright infringement, as has been seen in the United States. Many people settle and pay instead of going through the greater expense of fighting back in the courts.
Under the Federal Court decision, Voltage will need to have its communications with TekSavvy users approved by the court, and its demand letters will “clearly state in bold type that no Court has yet made a determination that such Subscriber has infringed or is liable in any way for payment of damages.” And any litigation it launches will be managed in connection with this case, the court ruled.
“From my view, it slams the door on the copyright-troll business model in Canada,” Mr. Fewer said

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 12:17 PM

Good thing we voted in Harper and the conservatives. I'm sure the fines collected will go to a good cause.
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Posted 21 February 2014 - 12:42 PM

I understand the intent but will this really change anything?
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Posted 21 February 2014 - 12:54 PM

I understand the intent but will this really change anything?


not on my end, no
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Posted 21 February 2014 - 01:02 PM

Good thing I haven't received anything from Teksavvy.

Don't know what else Voltage has produced, but if HBO does this, I'm f&%ked.

Also, Teksavvy is a small provider and will likely lose some clients as a result.

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