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Not really. There have been plenty of U.N. peacekeeping missions to "domestic" disputes, the Rwandan Civil War for example. The only thing this really accomplishes is an international platform for the PA to denounce Israel and therefore forward the Arab + Iranian agenda to wipe Israel off the map.

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The UN is a useless organization. For the moves that they make to liberate a country of war, there are other countries where it stands idly pat because of members' interests in the area (or lack of interest). Somalia has been left alone. It's not like they don't have gunboats in the area or troops.

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There is no doubt Harper is an Albertan. He has stated since that going into Iraq would have been a mistake.

This is a different issue however.

Has it occured to you that Harper's government may simply oppose Palestine becoming a U.N. observering member for their own reasons while not being a puppet of the United States? If the NDP were in power and had voted for the inclusion, I would not try to claim that the NDP government was a puppet of Iran.

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Well I searched hi and low for some info and found this:

What is Canada's position?

Canada declared its opposition to Palestinian membership in July and on Sept. 20 Prime Minister Stephen Harper told reporters at the UN that the Palestinian move could be "counter-productive" to the peace process.

"I think there’s no likelihood of this initiative by the Palestinian Authority doing anything to further the peace process," he said.

The Canadian government says it supports a two-state solution reached through negotiations

"Could be" .. the guy has no clue when he uses words such as "Could" and "likelihood" .. he has no firm position .. he is just following the US position like a good lil puppy ...

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There are certainly reasons they want to obliterate Israel...I'm not sure how you go about deciding if they are "valid reasons". Let's say hypothetically that the Arabs are successful in obliterating Israel. Would you excuse that genocide just because there were valid reasons for it? That seems kind of cold.

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I do not favor any kind of oppression .. too many folks here think Israel is in the right because they have such a powerful military thanks to the US .. they believe "might is right", or appear to ..

Perhaps if Israel admitted their own "sins" (i.e. colonization) and took steps to remedy some of the damage they caused, peace could be possible? ..

Suffice it to say, you can not have a "two state solution" without two states .. and Israel is doing everything it can keep Palestine from becoming a "state" ..

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Israel says only negotiation will lead to a two state solution and this UN resolution does nothing to forward that proposal. Israel says unilateral actions like this will stop any move toward a peace settlement.

Clearly the majority of the world's population does not take this position as there was an overwhelming vote in favor of a change of status for Palestine.

The demand for negotiations by Israel seems puzzling because when the UN decided to partition Palestine, there were NO negotiations between the Arabs and Jews. The decision was IMPOSED on the Arabs who live in the area. There was no referendum or talks between the two sides then.

If the UN in 1947 was able to create the State of Israel with the wave of a pen, why should they not do the same for Palestine? The UN unilaterally created Israel. At the least, the UN can do the same for Palestine. Otherwise, there is a double standard here.

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Israel says only negotiation will lead to a two state solution and this UN resolution does nothing to forward that proposal. Israel says unilateral actions like this will stop any move toward a peace settlement.

Clearly the majority of the world's population does not take this position as there was an overwhelming vote in favor of a change of status for Palestine.

The demand for negotiations by Israel seems puzzling because when the UN decided to partition Palestine, there were NO negotiations between the Arabs and Jews. The decision was IMPOSED on the Arabs who live in the area. There was no referendum or talks between the two sides then.

If the UN in 1947 was able to create the State of Israel with the wave of a pen, why should they not do the same for Palestine? The UN unilaterally created Israel. At the least, the UN can do the same for Palestine. Otherwise, there is a double standard here.

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Another Israeli "peace" gesture:

JERUSALEM — As the United Nations Ramallah Reacts to U.N. Vote

Ramallah Reacts to U.N. Vote

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Construction in the West Bank settlement of Maale Adumim last June. More Photos »

A senior Israeli official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said on Friday that the decision was made late Thursday night to move forward on “preliminary zoning and planning preparations” for housing units in E1, which would connect the large settlement of Maale Adumim to Jerusalem and therefore make it impossible to connect the Palestinian cities of Ramallah and Bethlehem to Palestinian neighborhoods of East Jerusalem. Israel also authorized the construction of 3,000 housing units in other parts of East Jerusalem and the West Bank, the official said.

The prime minister’s office refused to comment on whether the settlement expansion — first reported on Twitter by a reporter for the Israeli daily Haaretz — was punishment for the Palestinians’ success in upgrading its status from nonmember observer entity to nonmember observer state at the United Nations, but it was widely seen as such. The United States, one of only eight countries that stood with Israel in voting against the Palestinians’ upgrade, has for two decades vigorously opposed construction in E1, a 3,000-acre expanse of hilly parkland where a police station was opened in 2008.

In Washington, a State Department official criticized the move. “We reiterate our longstanding opposition to settlements and East Jerusalem construction,” he said. “We believe it is counterproductive and makes it harder to resume direct negotiations and achieve a two-state outcome.”

Hagit Ofran, who runs the Settlement Watch project of Peace Now, called E1 a “deal breaker for the two-state solution” and denounced the decision as “disastrous.”

“Instead of punishing the Palestinians, they are actually punishing Israel,” Ms. Ofran, who is Israeli, said in an interview. “Instead of taking advantage of this bid in the U.N. and calling for negotiations to get to a two-state solution, this government is choosing to take actions that might prevent the possibility of a two-state solution.”

But Dani Dayan, leader of Israel’s settler movement, welcomed the news, saying it was “a very important Israeli interest to develop E1.”

He described the two-state solution as “an existential threat to Israel” and said the E1 development was “beneficial for peace because a two-state solution is a prologue for another bloody confrontation.”

“The fear to develop the communities is not rational,” Mr. Dayan said. “The opposition to the settlements has become a kind of religious dogma for the West.”

Even Mr. Dayan, however, said he did not like the idea of expanding settlements “as a sort of retaliatory or punitive step.”

“Under the circumstances that we understand the government operates, I think it’s O.K.,” Mr. Dayan added. “We have a legal and a political and a moral right to build. It’s strategic for Jerusalem; to strengthen Jerusalem is the only horizon. We don’t see it as an obstacle to peace.”

Michael R. Gordon contributed reporting from Washington

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Harper has embarrassed Canadians all over the world. A nation once known for being a peace keeper is now a US puppet. Its a good thing that Canada has no seat at the UN security council, because Harper is an idiot. With this type of government, am happy that Canada is pretty much irrelevant in world politics.

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Not really. There have been plenty of U.N. peacekeeping missions to "domestic" disputes, the Rwandan Civil War for example. The only thing this really accomplishes is an international platform for the PA to denounce Israel and therefore forward the Arab + Iranian agenda to wipe Israel off the map.

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