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#61 Mr. Self Destruct

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:01 PM

I won't be listening to or watching the 1st game. If others do the same, perhaps it will send a small message. I don't think I'll be missing much - I think the Canucks will be pretty rusty anyways!
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:05 PM

Unless you are a season ticket holder, boycotting the first game is a joke.
Its a very dishonest way to protest as well.

"Since I dont have tickets anyway for that game, I wont buy any"

Wow! you taught the Canucks a lesson :picard:

But hey, boycott the beer line up guys, so I don't have to stand in line as long.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:10 PM

I'm actually cancelling my season tickets. I hope more do the same. Don't care much for this league anymore.


Dont I will buy them with cash plus 5%
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:16 PM

Unless you are a season ticket holder, boycotting the first game is a joke.
Its a very dishonest way to protest as well.

"Since I dont have tickets anyway for that game, I wont buy any"

Wow! you taught the Canucks a lesson :picard:

But hey, boycott the beer line up guys, so I don't have to stand in line as long.


I realize that one person missing one game may not mean much, but what if 10,000 people don't show up to the first game back or 100,000 don't watch it on TV?

But no, one guy can't make a difference, right? I guess we should all come back the NHL like the good little peons that we are since everyone else will be anyways, right? We shouldn't financially punish them at all for d*cking us around with two lockouts in the last 8 years... People like you are the NHL's dream customer. Just come back and keep paying no matter what they do to you because if you don't, someone else will?

Money talks, if the Owners make less (even from one game) and see that they damaged the sport and alienated the fan base, perhaps they won't be so quick to lock out the Players again.

I won't spend another dime on a game this year, nor on any merchandise. I am sure I'm not alone.

Edited by Mr. S, 06 January 2013 - 07:25 PM.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:23 PM

I guess we should all come back the NHL like the good little peons that we are. We shouldn't financially punish them at all for d*cking us around with two lockouts in the last 8 years. People like you are the NHL's dream customer. Just come back and keep paying no matter what they do to you. Money talks, if they make less and see that they damaged the game, perhaps they won't be so quick to lock out the Players again.

I won't spend another dime on a game this year, nor on any merchandise. I am sure I'm not alone.


So what you are saying, is you don't have tickets and won't buy any.
Meanwhile suggestion people like myself who have already paid for season tickets, often waiting years to get these tickets.
Well we should tear them up. Like I said, very dishonest protest.

Don't ask other to do, what you Cannot.

Like some one else posted.....lets all bike to work next week to save the environment. Meanwhile he has the week off
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

So what you are saying, is you don't have tickets and won't buy any.
Meanwhile suggestion people like myself who have already paid for season tickets, often waiting years to get these tickets.
Well we should tear them up. Like I said, very dishonest protest.

Don't ask other to do, what you Cannot.

Like some one else posted.....lets all bike to work next week to save the environment. Meanwhile he has the week off


I am saying, I usually buy tickets for 2-3 games a year. This time, you couldn't pay me to attend a Canucks game - just on principal. If I had tickets for opening night, I would sell them and then donate the proceeds to a worthy cause. But that's just me. I also refuse to buy any merchandise with NHL logos on it.

If you're choosing to go ahead and attend, go for it. Continue to pay your outrageous ticket prices, $30 for parking, and $8.00 beers. And then complain when your season ticket rates go up. Then rush to go back when the NHL decides it needs to piss all over its fans again by having a lockout so that the Owners can add more to their billions.

Oh and just FYI, the bike example is a bad one because I frequently bike to work. Usually 2-3 times a week ;) 30kms roundtrip, not just to save the environment, but also to stay fit. So yes, I do encourage everyone to bike to work.

Edited by Mr. S, 06 January 2013 - 09:50 PM.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:23 PM

I will not be spending any money on merch this year. It's not a huge dent but it's my small contribution to the cause.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:00 PM

I don't understand, Is it too hard to refrain from going to the arena for only one day?

You could watch it on TV. I think it still makes a difference seeing those empty seats on Day 1.

Some of us just don't feel the same way you do. Does that make us spineless? Maybe this need of yours to always be right, to be on the right side, is the reason you feel you're owed something by the league. When you buy a ticket and go to the game, you have received the bill of goods you were sold. You paid money, they provided entertainment. Contract over. You don't get to buy 100 or 1000 or 10000 ticekts and suddenly the team owes you something any more than you get to buy a cheeseburger, or 100 or 1000 or 10000 cheeseburgers and suddenly the burger joint owes it to you to stay in business.
I don't feel entitled to something from these players or owners. I'm happy they put a league together and made their product available to me. I'm not going to punish the NHL or NHLPA for negotiating their side of a contract that has nothing to do with me any more than I am going to punish a musician or actor or record label or studio or anyone else for that matter for negotiating a contract that has nothing, not one thing, to do with me. I love the game, and when it starts, I will go, because I am not interested in punishing anyone or being on the "right" side, whatever the hell that means. Jesus.
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Snake Doctor, on 23 May 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:snapback.png

Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

If I was in vancouver for the first game I'd go to it, if i could get tickets that is (which will be nearly impossible)

Why should WE suffer any longer by not watching the game we love, just because you feel like you want to take a moral high road that really doesn't exist?

Edited by avelanch, 07 January 2013 - 01:04 PM.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:06 PM

An empty arena would be a powerful statement. But if the tickets are going to be bought anyway (and I think TheMinister's right about that being the only way to accomplish the set goal), I think an equally, if not even more, powerful image would be an arena full of silent, sedate people wearing black as if in mourning. No one wears a jersey. No one buys a single thing (no beer, no burgers, no merchandise). No one utters a single word or cheers the team at any time. They just sit in silence holding signs that say things like, "We've been waiting. Where were you?" or "I came back, but I left my wallet at home." or "Shame on the NHL for locking out fans!"

Or maybe everyone could wear sheep costumes . . . and say "baaaaaaaa" in unison.
No. That wouldn't work. Too many individuals with different opinions for that to work.
And for that I am extremely grateful.
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Snake Doctor, on 23 May 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:snapback.png

Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:49 PM

I'll just be sure to not go to any games and not buy any merchandise.

It's sad how people whine and wanna make a difference, but when they get the chance to, they instead reward the owners.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:19 PM

Or maybe everyone could wear sheep costumes . . . and say "baaaaaaaa" in unison.
No. That wouldn't work. Too many individuals with different opinions for that to work.
And for that I am extremely grateful.


???

Are you saying that would be a powerful statement on the fact that the NHL treats fans like mindless sheep who will never hold them accountable and only reward them for continuing to take our support for granted? Or are you simply being sarcastic because you think people would be sheep for not just going back yet again without making the NHL feel our displeasure? If the latter, shouldn't your gratitude for those differing opinions extend to those who don't agree with yours?
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

???

Are you saying that would be a powerful statement on the fact that the NHL treats fans like mindless sheep who will never hold them accountable and only reward them for continuing to take our support for granted? Or are you simply being sarcastic because you think people would be sheep for not just going back yet again without making the NHL feel our displeasure? If the latter, shouldn't your gratitude for those differing opinions extend to those who don't agree with yours?

I'm saying that people would all have to think exactly alike in order for a thing like a game boycott to work, sheep mentality - not as an insult, but as a matter of factual description. If everyone had the exact same opinion, it would be a world that I wouldn't want to live in. But people aren't sheep, and they think for themselves, and I'm extremely happy for that.

So, in summary: I disagree with a boycott. I would defend to the death people's right to hold a boycott. I do not think that those who disagree with me are sheep. I am glad that everyone is not the same. I celebrate our diversity. Also, I love hockey.
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Snake Doctor, on 23 May 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:snapback.png

Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:23 PM

LOL @ people cancelling their season tickets thinking it will send a message. You know our season ticket lineup has like 10,000 people waiting in line right? Those seats will be filled no matter what. This is Vancouver, we breathe Canucks hockey and this is the one thing that brings this city together. I cant wait to cheer my boys on again! GO CANUCKS GO!!!!
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

I'm saying that people would all have to think exactly alike in order for a thing like a game boycott to work, sheep mentality - not as an insult, but as a matter of factual description. If everyone had the exact same opinion, it would be a world that I wouldn't want to live in. But people aren't sheep, and they think for themselves, and I'm extremely happy for that.

So, in summary: I disagree with a boycott. I would defend to the death people's right to hold a boycott. I do not think that those who disagree with me are sheep. I am glad that everyone is not the same. I celebrate our diversity. Also, I love hockey.


Your thinking is flawed. A group of people with a shared opinion acting in concert to express that opinion in the hopes of effecting positive change in future events is not in any way acting with a "sheep mentality." It is insulting and not at all factual as it implies their actions are without individual thought. It's too bad your celebration of differences in opinion only applies to singular individuals and no longer seems to apply if they seek out others who share their thought out opinion.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:42 PM

So what you are saying, is you don't have tickets and won't buy any.
Meanwhile suggestion people like myself who have already paid for season tickets, often waiting years to get these tickets.
Well we should tear them up. Like I said, very dishonest protest.

Don't ask other to do, what you Cannot.

Like some one else posted.....lets all bike to work next week to save the environment. Meanwhile he has the week off


I have tickets to all the games and will happily tear them up and then sell the rest to undercut the Canucks.

No you can not buy tickets to opening night. I will go downtown and burn them in front of the arena.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:24 PM

Your thinking is flawed. A group of people with a shared opinion acting in concert to express that opinion in the hopes of effecting positive change in future events is not in any way acting with a "sheep mentality." It is insulting and not at all factual as it implies their actions are without individual thought. It's too bad your celebration of differences in opinion only applies to singular individuals and no longer seems to apply if they seek out others who share their thought out opinion.

Please explain to me where I said people are sheep for protesting. Find the words, highlight them and throw them right in my face.
When you're doing looking and you realize they don't exist, re-read my posts where I say that I am glad that people are not the same, where I say I disagree with OP, but that those who disagree with me are not sheep.
Read, absorb, process, understand.
When you're done with that, go pick a fight with someone who actually said what you are suggesting I said.

Here. I'll do it for you:
Me "I'm saying that people would all have to think exactly alike in order for a thing like a game boycott to work, sheep mentality"
But people aren't sheep. They have many differing opinions. Therefore, a game day boycott will not work.
And that doesn't mean people who get together for a common goal are sheep.
Besides, boycotts don't work. they hurt regular people, not millionaires.

Edited by Vansicle, 07 January 2013 - 05:32 PM.

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Snake Doctor, on 23 May 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:snapback.png

Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

Here. I'll do it for you:
Me "I'm saying that people would all have to think exactly alike in order for a thing like a game boycott to work, sheep mentality"
But people aren't sheep. They have many differing opinions. Therefore, a game day boycott will not work.
And that doesn't mean people who get together for a common goal are sheep.
Besides, boycotts don't work. they hurt regular people, not millionaires.


Oh, good. You did manage to work it out for yourself. Now, try figuring out the definition of the terms you used.

"Sheep mentality," also known as "herd mentality" means, "The inability or refusal to listen to one's own instinct or 'gut feeling' but to instead follow the majority for fear of being wrong, ostracized or ridiculed." (Source)

Therefore you clearly and specifically equated people protesting with people simply going along with the masses rather than acting collaboratively based on their individually held beliefs. Saying "boycotts don't work" is not even close to the same as saying "people would have use sheep mentality to do one."

If you don't want to boycott in any way, don't. It's that simple. No one is trying to make you. No one is even trying to recruit you. If you don't agree with people who think there should consequences for this useless lockout, then go ahead. But, I'm at a loss as to why you felt the need to respond to a message I posted well over a month ago just to make some useless quip about sheep mentality and valuing differences of opinion. Generally speaking, actually having respect for differences of opinion goes without comment as you simply let the differing opinion be. The truth is you could have chosen to simply offer you own opinion without resorting to snide comments about one of the differing opinions you supposedly "value."

So, save the attitude. You're the one who's trying to pick a fight with me, not the other way around.

Edited by poetica, 07 January 2013 - 06:15 PM.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

Just break the sell-out streak on Jan. 19. Then back to normal on Jan. 20.

Or else lockout again in 2020.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

if you really think that not going to a Canucks Game will in anyway affect the players or owners... then you are kidding yourself... there will be 2000 people willing to buy the ticket you didn't. And if you own Seasons and are just not going to the game then the only thing your are proving is that you are a fool and wasting your money.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:45 PM

LOL @ people cancelling their season tickets thinking it will send a message. You know our season ticket lineup has like 10,000 people waiting in line right? Those seats will be filled no matter what. This is Vancouver, we breathe Canucks hockey and this is the one thing that brings this city together. I cant wait to cheer my boys on again! GO CANUCKS GO!!!!


can't believe ppl actually cancel.. just sell to friends or online.. easy $$$.. i know a few friends that sell most of their tickets.. probably make $3-5k each yr..
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

OMG!! It did not work!!!! Sell-out tonight!!!
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:31 AM

but rogers arena feels empty every game anyway, and if it's any consolation, at least the players boycotted the game last night.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:25 AM

I won't be listening to or watching the 1st game. If others do the same, perhaps it will send a small message. I don't think I'll be missing much - I think the Canucks will be pretty rusty anyways!


Well, I was right about one thing. I didn't watch the game but I hear they were pretty rusty!
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:30 AM

Was at the game tonight.. Quietest building in the NHL I swear. I was in a section with a bunch of Oilers fan but it was about 5050 even with Canucks fans. Every single Oilers fan was cheering for their team, going up against me and one other guy cheering for the Canucks. During the tv time outs you hear all this BS on the scoreboard, the players telling the fans that they're the best fans in the league and they're thanking us for being so loud and making it an awesome arena to play in. Then all you hear is Go Oilers Go. I just wish the people who went to the games actually got behind their favourite team and cheered them on because the crowd can be a huge difference maker in a game. It's like the Canucks are playing a road game even at home.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:38 AM

Was at the game tonight.. Quietest building in the NHL I swear. I was in a section with a bunch of Oilers fan but it was about 5050 even with Canucks fans. Every single Oilers fan was cheering for their team, going up against me and one other guy cheering for the Canucks. During the tv time outs you hear all this BS on the scoreboard, the players telling the fans that they're the best fans in the league and they're thanking us for being so loud and making it an awesome arena to play in. Then all you hear is Go Oilers Go. I just wish the people who went to the games actually got behind their favourite team and cheered them on because the crowd can be a huge difference maker in a game. It's like the Canucks are playing a road game even at home.

Which section were you in? I was in 101 and about half the fans near the suites were Oilers fans
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:55 AM

OMG!! It did not work!!!! Sell-out tonight!!!


Hooray! It couldn't work in a market as hockey-crazy as Vancouver.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

Which section were you in? I was in 101 and about half the fans near the suites were Oilers fans

I was in 328 but there were a lot of oilers fans everywhere. Just from what I heard they were the ones cheering the whole game. It's hard to cheer by yourself.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

The sellout streak will be in jeopardy if the product we've seen on the ice in the past 2 games continues for any extended period of time.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

I was in 328 but there were a lot of oilers fans everywhere. Just from what I heard they were the ones cheering the whole game. It's hard to cheer by yourself.


Pretty hard to cheer when alot of ppl are leaving half way through the period to get food and merchandise. Lineup were huge...
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