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#31 hudson bay rules

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 08:56 PM

Nothing to do with an "honour killing". This was an ex-boyfriend who was charged with assaulting her just a few days before she was gunned down.


I think we'll find that he was "dissed" by her and cultural influences played a part in this poor girls murder. Who has their friend help kill a girl?
I say again, cultural influences.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:01 PM

I think we'll find that he was "dissed" by her and cultural influences played a part in this poor girls murder. Who has their friend help kill a girl?
I say again, cultural influences.

Seems doubtful based on the reports thus far.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:06 PM

I disagree. I am not in favour of vengeance and that is the only justification for the death penalty.


There is a guy in Virginia, Robert Gleason Jr, who is scheduled to die, by electrocution, his choice, in January.

He killed a man and was serving a life sentence, then in 2009, killed his cellmate, was transferred to a super max prison in 2010, still in Va, then killed another man in a recreation cage.

In his own words he has said " "I murdered that man cold-bloodedly. I planned it, and I'm gonna do it again," Gleason told the AP at the time. "Someone needs to stop it. The only way to stop me is put me on death row."

http://hamptonroads.com/node/660475

So, in your eyes, this guy should be allowed to live? The taxpayers should pay to incarcerate someone who has stated they will kill again and again if allowed?


If you kill someone, you should die, call it vengeance, call it whatever you want, its just a word to me, his death is the only way to ensure he never kills again. And if he killed once, he could kill again.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:10 PM

I think we'll find that he was "dissed" by her and cultural influences played a part in this poor girls murder. Who has their friend help kill a girl?
I say again, cultural influences.


I doubt it...

Gary simply couldn't handle the break up...and killed Maple. Bedi was an associate...in other words "hired" to assist in the shooting. It's not uncommon to have more than one person involved and the fact that a female was the victim is irrelevant.

Source: somebody (me) that knew both Gary and Maple.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:16 PM

There is a guy in Virginia, Robert Gleason Jr, who is scheduled to die, by electrocution, his choice, in January.

He killed a man and was serving a life sentence, then in 2009, killed his cellmate, was transferred to a super max prison in 2010, still in Va, then killed another man in a recreation cage.

In his own words he has said " "I murdered that man cold-bloodedly. I planned it, and I'm gonna do it again," Gleason told the AP at the time. "Someone needs to stop it. The only way to stop me is put me on death row."

http://hamptonroads.com/node/660475

So, in your eyes, this guy should be allowed to live? The taxpayers should pay to incarcerate someone who has stated they will kill again and again if allowed?


If you kill someone, you should die, call it vengeance, call it whatever you want, its just a word to me, his death is the only way to ensure he never kills again. And if he killed once, he could kill again.


So, killing this one bad guy solves everything?

Innocents have been executed in the past AND it's been proven over and over again that it costs more to execute someone than to keep them incarcerated (unless you live in one of the second or 3rd world country's on Wet's list)
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:23 PM

So, killing this one bad guy solves everything?

Innocents have been executed in the past AND it's been proven over and over again that it costs more to execute someone than to keep them incarcerated (unless you live in one of the second or 3rd world country's on Wet's list)


The percentage of innocent people killed is extremely small, and although it should be 100%, its not, courts make mistakes, just like people do.

How does killing this one guy solve everything? What the hell are you talking about ?

I was talking with wetcoaster, who says it would be wrong for this guy to be put to death.

The death penalty needs to be re-instated in Canada, regardless of cost, we would see less violent crimes.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:23 PM

Maybe we should allow the girls family to decide his fate ..
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:26 PM

I doubt it...

Gary simply couldn't handle the break up...and killed Maple. Bedi was an associate...in other words "hired" to assist in the shooting. It's not uncommon to have more than one person involved and the fact that a female was the victim is irrelevant.

Source: somebody (me) that knew both Gary and Maple.


So, Gary can't handle the break up and Bedi jumps in to assist his "unstable" friend kill an innocent girl ? Doesn't sound rational on Bedi's part does it? I think the fact that a second man was involved in a domestic violence situation is so far from the norm and should be considered on a different level entirely.

This will be a long story.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:27 PM

we would see less violent crimes.


nope
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:29 PM

nope


yes it would, the person about to commit a violent crime, as in kill someone, will think twice about it if they understand the consequences.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:31 PM

yes it would, the person about to commit a violent crime, as in kill someone, will think twice about it if they understand the consequences.


I guess all those on death row would agree with your logic.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:34 PM

There is a guy in Virginia, Robert Gleason Jr, who is scheduled to die, by electrocution, his choice, in January.

He killed a man and was serving a life sentence, then in 2009, killed his cellmate, was transferred to a super max prison in 2010, still in Va, then killed another man in a recreation cage.

In his own words he has said " "I murdered that man cold-bloodedly. I planned it, and I'm gonna do it again," Gleason told the AP at the time. "Someone needs to stop it. The only way to stop me is put me on death row."

http://hamptonroads.com/node/660475

So, in your eyes, this guy should be allowed to live? The taxpayers should pay to incarcerate someone who has stated they will kill again and again if allowed?


If you kill someone, you should die, call it vengeance, call it whatever you want, its just a word to me, his death is the only way to ensure he never kills again. And if he killed once, he could kill again.

There is no reason for the state to impose the death penalty in any circumstances.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:36 PM

The percentage of innocent people killed is extremely small, and although it should be 100%, its not, courts make mistakes, just like people do.

How does killing this one guy solve everything? What the hell are you talking about ?

I was talking with wetcoaster, who says it would be wrong for this guy to be put to death.

The death penalty needs to be re-instated in Canada, regardless of cost, we would see less violent crimes.

The statistics do not bear that out.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:36 PM

I guess all those on death row would agree with your logic.


only the families of the deceased who were taken from them, by those people you speak of on death row
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:37 PM

My Aunt and uncle are probably 2 of the most laid back east Indian parents you'd find..so any of this cultural influence stuff is false.
Maple wanted no part of Gary, she was through and thought of him as immature...She wanted to focus on her education..and He wouldn't leave her alone, He thought he could scare her with his stupid 'gangster' wannabe tactics and when she wanted no part of it, well, you know what happened then...it's as simple as that...and about the other idiot, you are the company you keep.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:42 PM

yes it would, the person about to commit a violent crime, as in kill someone, will think twice about it if they understand the consequences.

Nope.

The idea as the death penalty as deterrent has been debunked. The death penalty is clearly not a deterrent as study after study shows so the only rationale is imposition for vengeance. Even the Association of Canadian Chiefs of Police agrees with that saying:

"It is futile to base an argument for reinstatement on grounds of deterrence".

All that leaves is vengeance as Prime Minister Trudeau has stated and that is not justice.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:52 PM

My Aunt and uncle are probably 2 of the most laid back east Indian parents you'd find..so any of this cultural influence stuff is false.


I never claimed that there weren't any outstanding members of the community. I used to live in a Sikh household myself.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:54 PM

They still get their day in court, although I am sure the RCMP have a boatload of evidence against them.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:54 PM

Can't you guys start another thread to argue whether the death penalty should be around or not? This is supposed to be a thread of good news and hope. I didn't personally know Maple but a lot of my close friends were best friends with her. My mom and her mom are friends and in fact my mom saw her just a couple days ago and she was still grieving. Way to hi-jack a thread.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:02 PM

Unfortunately, no death penalty in Canada.

It's a shame. More enlightened societies would execute the scumbags.

Nothing wrong with dead scumbags.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:08 PM

It's a shame. More enlightened societies would execute the scumbags.

Nothing wrong with dead scumbags.

Actually enlightened societies do not execute criminals.
http://forum.canucks...-homicide-case/
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:12 PM

Its always the ex-boy friend, isn't it. Despite all the tv crime shows like CSI and Criminal minds, random serial killers are very rare. It is a 90% chance the killer is an ex-boy friend, ex-husband, or someone the victim knows.

If found guilty of 1st degree murder, the ex-boy friend will serve 25 years without a chance of parole.

The other guy, though, is only charged with manslaughter, and accessory with murder. How much he gets is anyone's guess. I defer to wetcoaster for the sentencing guidelines.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:23 PM

Actually enlightened societies do not execute criminals.
http://forum.canucks...-homicide-case/

Why not. They make excellent fertilizer.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:27 PM

Why not. They make excellent fertilizer.


Would you eat the potatoes?
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:34 PM

what's this thread about?

oh, about hypothetically eating potatoes fertilized by the remains of murderers executed by the state. Sure, I'd be okay with that, just as long as they aren't mashed potatoes with butter and milk, since I'm vegan
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:45 PM

Would you eat the potatoes?

Eat the potatoes. Hell, I would eat a delicious drumstick!
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:22 PM

The percentage of innocent people killed is extremely small, and although it should be 100%, its not, courts make mistakes, just like people do.

How does killing this one guy solve everything? What the hell are you talking about ?

I was talking with wetcoaster, who says it would be wrong for this guy to be put to death.

The death penalty needs to be re-instated in Canada, regardless of cost, we would see less violent crimes.


So far a couple of your opinions are 100% proven wrong:
1. fact: in first world countries it is more expensive to kill someone via death penalty than have them serve in life in prison. Its seems counter-intuitive but there are tremendous legal fees to consider when killing someone via death penalty.
2.fact: the death penalty does not deter violent crime. Canada's rate of violent crime actually went down once the death penalty was abolished.

You seem pretty opinionated, thats cool and all, but for your sake you might want to educate yourself on the matter. Fact > opinion.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:56 PM

So far a couple of your opinions are 100% proven wrong:
1. fact: in first world countries it is more expensive to kill someone via death penalty than have them serve in life in prison. Its seems counter-intuitive but there are tremendous legal fees to consider when killing someone via death penalty.
2.fact: the death penalty does not deter violent crime. Canada's rate of violent crime actually went down once the death penalty was abolished.

You seem pretty opinionated, thats cool and all, but for your sake you might want to educate yourself on the matter. Fact > opinion.


What year was the death penalty abolished? Do you honestly believe that violent crime is still down from that year?

Not a chance.

Regardless if it costs a lot so they can exhaust appeals, it also costs a lot to house these scumbags, and knowing they cant kill again outweighs any cost

.People feeling safe > People not feeling safe.

Fact, you kill, you should be killed.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:25 AM

What year was the death penalty abolished? Do you honestly believe that violent crime is still down from that year?

Not a chance.

Regardless if it costs a lot so they can exhaust appeals, it also costs a lot to house these scumbags, and knowing they cant kill again outweighs any cost

.People feeling safe > People not feeling safe.

Fact, you kill, you should be killed.


Abolished in 1976, and murder rates has decreased since then, believe it or not.

http://canadaonline....itioncappun.htm

And a thing about your last point, I want to raise a hypothetiacal situation. What if people deemed you factually and legally guilty of a murder you did not commit? Now before you say wrongful convictions are a rare phenomenon, they're really not.

Wilbert Coffin - dead due to wrongful execution
Steven Truscott - nearly executed as a 14 year old for a muder he didn't commit
Timothy Evans in the UK - wrongful execution that led to the abolition of the death penalty in the UK

Now if we still had the death penalty, how many of these following people would be dead or on death row?

Donald Marshall Jr., Greg Parsons, Guy Paul Morin, Thomas Sophonow, Romeo Phillion, William Mullins-Johnson, James Driskell, David Milgaard, Kyle Unger. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Now I know you said it would be nice if the likelihood of innocent people not getting executed is 100% since the justice system is run by humans, and humans err. Indeed this is true, which is why there are several safegaurds in place. One of them is the abolition of capital punishment. Or would you rather have innocent people who are wrongfully convicted be "collateral damage"? Because the excuse of "sh** happens" is not a viable one to bring back the death penalty. A wrongful conviction is already considered a miscariage of justice. I have a hard time imagining what a wrongful execution is considered as.

I'm not saying that these two guys are going to be wrongfully convicted, but at the same time, if you bring back the death penalty, you bring it back in its entirety, not just for this case. Think about the repercussions for future cases beyond this one.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:28 AM

Really?

Anytime a female is killed by her current or former boyfriend/husband " it usually indicates she has some connection to the underworld"? Where did you get this information from?


I said it seems targeted (the killing), not necessarily the fact that a death of a woman = underworld crime.

And usually targeted kills are as a result of an unfortunate connection to the underworld.

Fair comment to make, yes?
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