I'm not embarrassed,you embarrassed?
You've taken quite a few points and misconstrued them and used words that no-one else has. I don't really know where to begin.
I'm not embarrassed at all. However I don't see what points I have misconstructed, and please tell me what words I have used that no one else has. Do you mean I have used a single word that no one else in this thread has used, or do you mean my points have not been made in the thread prior to my post. If it is the second one than, I would love to say that is the point of a debate is to bring in arguments to support your side of the story.
I'm not trashing the twins if that is what is making you so mad. I'm simply saying that if they won't stand up for themselves, then we need to get them the support they need, this isn't a gentleman's game. There is room for gentlemen but it's not a gentleman's game. I'm not saying the twins are wimps either, they obviously take a feeding and keep on eating.
But I call BS when the team says"We'll make them pay on the scorsheet" Isn't the goal of the game to make them pay on the scoresheet? And if players are going to take liberties on our stars, we need to go eye for an eye, toothfor a tooth, especially in the playoffs for godsake. That's rule #1.
Now this is pretty good irony right here. You say that they need someone to protect them so that they don't have to, but yet you also say that they should learn to stick up for themselves. I don't understand, do we need to let the twins stick up for themselves, or do we need that grinder on their line to dissuade people from trying to hit them. You say their not wimps, but you do say in your last post that they should be forced to have their eyes pried open and to watch Pavel Bure stick up for himself. Pretty much all you do in this part of your post is contradict yourself by saying things like... "This is not a gentlemen's game" but "There is room for it". Excuse me? If you ever have written any paper trying to argue your point, you would know that you have to stick firmly to your beliefs and to never contradict yourself. If the playoffs were truely about going eye for an eye, than I doubt many players would want to play, if all you go for is cheap shots and to attempt to take out players. That might be true for the pre-lockout era, but now there are rules about head contact and other huge restrictions that prevent you from just "giving the player a whack to the back of his head". Perhaps it would benefit you to recognize the fact that the NHL now is less about who can punch their way to the cup, and more about who has more skill, grit, and resilience towards the long grind of a playoff run.
Raymond is not a scapegoat, no-one who knows anything about hockey and has watched him play expects anything from him, so he cannot be a scapegoat. Scapebambi? Maybe.
In 2009 when he put in 25 goals he was considered a potential top six forward. I simply despise the fact that all Canucks Fans want Raymond gone, just because of his injury. Injuries can psychologically affect you as well as physically, so I believe that Raymond can still play. He doesn't have abysmal numbers in the NHL, and despite what you think we have seen seasons where Raymond has been good. Perhaps he isn't at his best right now, but I can tell you if I suffered an injury like that, I would probably never play hockey the same as I would have prior to the injury. You have a lack of sympathy here, and so do most Canucks Fans.
This whole "hometown" discount idea is non-sense, too. It might be your hometown, and the odd canuck's hometown but guess what. The rest of the players are not ingrained canuck fans or hometown boys. This is one of the richest teams in the league, why do we keep looking in dark corners and under rocks for talent?
The Wings have used this "idea" for many years now, and they have been very successful at it. I've heard many Canucks Fans say that we should model our team after the wings. Here's a newsflash they use the same model of a discount, and we've seen this when Hossa went to play in Detroit for his shot at the cup. We have seen many players sign for reasonable prices, and pair that with them drafting and retaining their young talent, it allows them to be dominant year after year. If we didn't have reasonable prices then we couldn't afford some of our players. This is speculation, but our team is just 2.4million dollars under the salary cap. Lets say if Both Sedin's asked for 1 million dollars more, and Hamhuis wanted another million dollars as well. The point of a hometown discount is so that players sign for less, but they create a winning atmosphere. Why don't we follow the leafs model and sign players like Komisarek to ridiculous amounts and see how that works out.
Kassian is not the answer to anyones prayers and the way to make sure he never succeeds is to keep setting the bar way too high. Keep it up Supahfan!
Who can argue that the canucks lack a big nasty stud Dman? What's going to happen when teams start running Schneider? Bieksa gonna put his angry face on, watchout!
I never stated Zack Kassian was our stud powerforward. Although i appreciate you calling me a "supahfan" I believe I am just a regular realistic fan. All i said was that Kassian was flipped in the hopes that he could one day be that forward we needed. Being realistic unlike you, I never stated any goals for him or hopes I just simply said that he was traded because he had the potential to be that player. However this next part of the post made me chuckle a bit, not because it's wrong, but because of how right you are. Who can argue that the canucks lack that big nasty stud Dman... however who can argue that is what 30/30 teams want. How many Zdeno Chara's and Shea Weber's are out there in the league right now. That's right two of them off the top of my head. The Kings won the cup with Doughty, who isn't a big nasty defensemen, but he has a fantastic offensive gift.
Now I assume this follows the exact same patterns of all the other questions I directed at CanuksTravella, but who could you realistically see who we could get from another team in terms of a Powerforward, or a in your terms "Big Nasty Stud" Defensemen? Remember this has to be realistic so it can't be just Mason Raymond, Keith Ballard, 2nd round pick for Shea Weber. Obviously wouldn't expect any more than that from you, but hey I crossed out one possibility. You also have to remember that if we trade for this defensemen, we will have holes in our lineup that we will have to fill. Think about it realistically, and you will realize that if a team has that player then they are willing to fight tooth and nail to keep him. Now that was a Rhetorical question and the answer to that is there is a very limited market for these players and they come at very high cost. Your right we need another Powerforward, and a big nasty stud defensemen, but that's a wish list for every team in the NHL.
I'm starting to think too many of the fans here have the team they want. You want the baby faced cute n cuddly huggable lovable gentleman with the nice flowing locks and pretty eyes who are far too superior to lowerthemselves to dish out some punishment or retribution when another team feeds them crap by the shovelful nom nom nom mmmm dose iz sum guuud $crap sammmiches!
I'm starting to feel that the core of the team is indeed here, and they have shown that they can play with two presidents trophy in consecutive seasons. Any team going for a Cup run will be looking for more pieces, but yes I do have a team i like and can cheer for at this moment. That last sentence is just proof of how unintelligent your arguments are, and it shows exactly why you agree with CanuksTravella.
That crap don't fly son! And your taste in women is quite questionable also.
Just kidding about the last part, enjoy your School Holidays while you still can, I hope Santa is good to you.
Not everyone has a similar taste in women, and if you don't like Ellie Goulding so be it. Nothing off my back. I have three school holidays and I enjoy every one of them thoroughly. One in between each semester. Enjoy working at your dead end job that pays you just enough to get by. Yes yes I know your going to tell me that you are working for this huge corporation and one day you will become CEO or whatever. Have a nice day.
Just a further note, when you type words such as "n" instead of "and" than it makes your argument lose even more of its merit... which is of course assuming it had any merit to begin with.
Edited by JHansenFan, 16 December 2012 - 09:36 PM.