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#1 Grapefruits

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:45 PM

Obviously the driver is at fault and should have stopped, but when does a little common sense take over? People seem to think that when they enter a crosswalk they are somehow in a magical safe buffer zone, all the time I see people just step out into a crosswalk when the signal is lit.

In the video you can see that it is totally dark and the weather conditions aren't great at all, but you see the ladies just run across the cross walk without even taking one look back to see if a car might be turning into their direction.

I've been hearing the argument "Well the pedestrian has the right of way" SO WHAT! The 2500LB or so automobile isn't going to care!

I don't know about anyone else, but before I enter a crosswalk I make sure the driver has seen me or is at least stopped. When crossing I also make sure to check the left hand lane to see if the driver is going to take a left turn into me, lets face it, he's more worried about the oncoming traffic than seeing a pedestrian. Maybe it's just me but I every time I cross the street I think of the dangers of getting hit and keep an eye on all vehicles that could potentially hit me.

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Police have released video from the Surrey, B.C., intersection where two joggers were mowed down Monday night by a hit-and-run driver.

The suspect vehicle is described as a white SUV, which is seen in the video at about 7:50 p.m. PT turning left and plowing into the two joggers as they crossed the street.

Shelley Lammers, 51, was airlifted to hospital with serious but non-life threatening injuries, including a head laceration, while Nola Carson, 54, was taken to hospital with less serious injuries.

Carson told CBC News that she met with a plastic surgeon Wednesday morning, who told her she should heal up well and that her battered face would look normal again.

"I don't need surgery," Carson said. "I feel lucky, lucky to be alive."

The two women had just finished a running clinic at a nearby athletic supplies store.

"We were almost to the sidewalk and Shelley came flying at me and I did a face plant. She was on the ground and ... I thought she was going to die."

Police said the women were dressed in reflective clothing so they could easily be seen at night.
The driver is still being sought and police hope the release of the video will bring in more tips and witnesses.

It was the third hit-and-run in B.C.'s Lower Mainland in 24 hours. Two women were killed in separate incidents by drivers who left the scene.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

IMO the driver is 100% at blame. From the looks of it, it's quite obvious that two ladies are in the crosswalk and it isn't that hard to look before turning. I use this intersection every day and it isn't poorly lit, etc.

Also, it seems like this driver is blind, does he just simply just stare straight ahead?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:56 PM

IMO the driver is 100% at blame. From the looks of it, it's quite obvious that two ladies are in the crosswalk and it isn't that hard to look before turning. I use this intersection every day and it isn't poorly lit, etc.

Also, it seems like this driver is blind, does he just simply just stare straight ahead?


Of course he is to blame, but don't you think they should be paying attention to that possible danger? It's no secret that some drivers shouldn't be on the road and have no clue how to drive safely, which makes it more of a reason for pedestrians to pay attention.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:58 PM

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I strongly disagree with your rant. These ladies were 3/4 of the way through the crosswalk when they were hit. They didn't just step out onto the street without looking, the driver didn't look before making the turn, didn't stop when he/she saw the pedestrians, proceeded to run over the pedestrians, and then proceeded to drive away from the scene.

Whoever this driver is deserves severe punishment.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:59 PM

The pedestrians should have been using their eyes behind their heads!!!
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:00 PM

Of course he is to blame, but don't you think they should be paying attention to that possible danger? It's no secret that some drivers shouldn't be on the road and have no clue how to drive safely, which makes it more of a reason for pedestrians to pay attention.


I hate ignorant pedestrains as much as you but this case doesn't apply to the rant.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:09 PM

The pedestrians should have been using their eyes behind their heads!!!


In the same situation I constantly keep an eye over my right shoulder to keep an eye on drivers turning left, then again I always worry about getting hit when I'm in the roadway with cars. From what I can see they didn't even check. A quick look over and I feel this could have been prevented.

Either way, I'm just glad they will be ok, it could have easily been much worse. Hopefully drivers and pedestrians will all pay a little more attention.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:23 PM

IMO the driver is 100% at blame. From the looks of it, it's quite obvious that two ladies are in the crosswalk and it isn't that hard to look before turning. I use this intersection every day and it isn't poorly lit, etc.

Also, it seems like this driver is blind, does he just simply just stare straight ahead?


The driver is 100% to blame and I agree with that but the joggers also seem to have tunnel vision by just looking ahead and not checking for cars that might turn. Sometimes you have to take care of your own safety even in situations where the driver is 100% at fault. My pet peeve is the pedestrians who jay walk in busy streets and don't even bother to look to their right or left. They think that cars automatically stop for them when they are crossing the street.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:28 PM

The pedestrians should have been using their eyes behind their heads!!!


Those joggers didn't even turn their heads to see if any car was turning. They were jogging and they were looking straight the whole time. There are bad drivers everywhere so pedestrians should take extra precaution. I always check when am crossing an intersection even if the pedestrian light is on.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:32 PM

I strongly disagree with your rant. These ladies were 3/4 of the way through the crosswalk when they were hit. They didn't just step out onto the street without looking, the driver didn't look before making the turn, didn't stop when he/she saw the pedestrians, proceeded to run over the pedestrians, and then proceeded to drive away from the scene.

Whoever this driver is deserves severe punishment.


The driver also turned onto the second lane and not the first lane to the left. I hope they find this driver and suspend or revoke his license.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:36 PM

IMO the driver is 100% at blame. From the looks of it, it's quite obvious that two ladies are in the crosswalk and it isn't that hard to look before turning. I use this intersection every day and it isn't poorly lit, etc.

Also, it seems like this driver is blind, does he just simply just stare straight ahead?


What is the location of this intersection?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:41 PM

What is the location of this intersection?


152nd and 32nd, a very well lit intersection. It's right off the highway, there's a keg there. I live 2 minutes away from that intersection. No reason why the driver did not see the joggers, but also no reason for the joggers to just run out onto the crosswalk without looking for cars
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:50 PM

They were halfway through the crosswalk before the SUV even entered the intersection.
100% the drivers fault, and there is absolutely no way you can put any blame on to the pedestrians.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:05 PM

if they were jaywalking then the pedestrians are at fault as well as the driver, but at a crosswalk it's 100% the drivers fault if you hit a pedestrian no matter what
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:06 PM

They were halfway through the crosswalk before the SUV even entered the intersection.
100% the drivers fault, and there is absolutely no way you can put any blame on to the pedestrians.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:13 PM

Ok I hate erratic pedestrians like anyone else but seriously, as people have stated, the SUV is TOTALLY at fault here.
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  • 3/4 of the way through the Crosswalk
  • SUV plows through left turn, could you imagine if there was an unseen car behind the car turning left on the opposite side?
  • SUV doesn't even attempt to slow down or stop, just keeps going.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:17 PM

Black rims... My guess individual was intoxicated and or text messaging while driving. Aged 20-25 years old. Anyone want to place a bet?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:23 PM

3 Seperate pedestrian hit & runs in the Lower Mainland in a 24 hour span. I live in the LM and I had no idea there were this many spineless cowards here. Brutal!!!

Glad these ladies are going to recover, as for the other two RIP

If its the same intersection I'm thinking of the there's no need for the driver to go into the far lane, as it end fairly quickly. That's a bad habit that's a consistent in the LM it's not hard to go into your proper lane, just go straight and turn later, as apposed to turning the whole way. Sorry for going off topic.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:34 PM

The latest video shows about 25 seconds after impact a person hurries back, looks down at the two women and runs off... possibly the driver or a passenger in the vehicle?
http://www.cbc.ca/ne...-run-video.html
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:34 PM

Driver at fault. This also could have been prevented had the pedestrians wore reflective clothing - from the video, it didn't look like they did.

Personal advice here: I always take out my phone/iPod and wave it around as I'm crossing the street - it's so that others know I'm crossing and to stop for me as I'm proceeding. A good tip I learned from a bus driver who's seen it all...
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:34 PM

Seems pretty clear that the light had changed and anyone wanting to turn left would have to wait for the oncoming traffic that had been waiting at the light to go through, so I would have thought as a pedestrian I was more than safe to cross at that time as well. Clearly the person wanting to turn left hadn't paid any attention to what pedestrians were looking to use the crosswalk while the light was red, and that's completely irresponsible as a driver.

Totally the driver's fault and I put no extra onus on the joggers apart from what they did by waiting for the light to be in their favour.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:38 PM

Driver at fault. This also could have been prevented had the pedestrians wore reflective clothing - from the video, it didn't look like they did.

Personal advice here: I always take out my phone/iPod and wave it around as I'm crossing the street - it's so that others know I'm crossing and to stop for me as I'm proceeding. A good tip I learned from a bus driver who's seen it all...


Police said the women were dressed in reflective clothing so they could easily be seen at night.
http://www.cbc.ca/ne...-run-video.html
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:48 PM

They were both wearing reflective on the sides and one had it on the back. They also had a lights attached. This from Global interview with one of the victims.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:49 PM

they should have this at all busy intersection
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:52 PM

Black rims... My guess individual was intoxicated and or text messaging while driving. Aged 20-25 years old. Anyone want to place a bet?


and brown too? lol
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:02 PM

They were 3/4th's across. They would have had to predict a car was coming; it was not there when they started to cross.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:02 PM

Driver at fault. This also could have been prevented had the pedestrians wore reflective clothing - from the video, it didn't look like they did.

Personal advice here: I always take out my phone/iPod and wave it around as I'm crossing the street - it's so that others know I'm crossing and to stop for me as I'm proceeding. A good tip I learned from a bus driver who's seen it all...


Really? I mean anything that you think might increase your safety is good but won't people think you are crazy or something?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:06 PM

Of course he is to blame, but don't you think they should be paying attention to that possible danger? It's no secret that some drivers shouldn't be on the road and have no clue how to drive safely, which makes it more of a reason for pedestrians to pay attention.


No, I don't think they should have been looking. This car basically came from behind them. Do you continuasly look 360 degrees around you as you cross a cross walk in case someone doesn't know how to drive ?
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:10 PM

The latest video shows about 25 seconds after impact a person hurries back, looks down at the two women and runs off... possibly the driver or a passenger in the vehicle?
http://www.cbc.ca/ne...-run-video.html

So cowardly, sees what he/she did and just takes off. (Assuming that it is the driver that ran back)
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 11:14 PM

3 Seperate pedestrian hit & runs in the Lower Mainland in a 24 hour span. I live in the LM and I had no idea there were this many spineless cowards here. Brutal!!!

Glad these ladies are going to recover, as for the other two RIP

If its the same intersection I'm thinking of the there's no need for the driver to go into the far lane, as it end fairly quickly. That's a bad habit that's a consistent in the LM it's not hard to go into your proper lane, just go straight and turn later, as apposed to turning the whole way. Sorry for going off topic.


I don't know how some of these drivers get their licenses.
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