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#31 Strombone1

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:37 PM

cody chose to marry SOMEONE ELSE- he doesnt like you anymore. time to start dating
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:38 PM

this really isnt a big deal worry more about ths when the lockout ends which may be next yr, id rather kesler heal 100 percent play a month or two before playoffs and be a monster than him play hurt. Time to give schroeder a few months playing time to see how he will do. laps and higgins can help fill the void as well.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:04 PM

Everyone in here still talking like there's going to be a season.

Am I missing something? lol
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:41 PM

I would not put any stock into this at all. This all about his agent making sure that the Canucks are aware that Kesler is "months away" from returning, and thus, needs to continue to be paid during the lockout. It looks good when something like this is reported to the media should someone from the Canucks decide that Kesler is in fact healthy and therefore, deserving of being locked out.

I full expect that if there is an NHL season, Kesler will make a "miraculous" recovery and return much sooner if not immediately upon the start of training camp.

Keep in mind, the timing of Kesler's surgery was also orchestrated by his agent as well. He waited a full two months after the playoffs ended to have surgery, thus ensuring that he would not be ready for the start of the season, and therefore would be able to be paid during the lockout. Kesler has also been very sure to not jeopardize his free pay day by showing up at charity events but playing non-contact roles like coach or referee.

It certainly shows where Kesler's values are. It's all about getting paid, solidarity be damned.


Its too bad he has a NMC. I think with these injuries, his age, there isn't much upside left in him. He will end up having "forsbergitis" where he just seems to keep getting hurt.

With no NMC it might have made sense to move him for a future number one young offensive center (given we have potential number 2's in Guance, Schroeder, and easier to acquire in a Lou deal).

Not sure who that would be, and granted a hypothetical but I think Kelser is really downhill from here bc of these issues, not effort or desire.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:00 PM

I would not put any stock into this at all. This all about his agent making sure that the Canucks are aware that Kesler is "months away" from returning, and thus, needs to continue to be paid during the lockout. It looks good when something like this is reported to the media should someone from the Canucks decide that Kesler is in fact healthy and therefore, deserving of being locked out.

I full expect that if there is an NHL season, Kesler will make a "miraculous" recovery and return much sooner if not immediately upon the start of training camp.

Keep in mind, the timing of Kesler's surgery was also orchestrated by his agent as well. He waited a full two months after the playoffs ended to have surgery, thus ensuring that he would not be ready for the start of the season, and therefore would be able to be paid during the lockout. Kesler has also been very sure to not jeopardize his free pay day by showing up at charity events but playing non-contact roles like coach or referee.

It certainly shows where Kesler's values are. It's all about getting paid, solidarity be damned.

And thats bad ?

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:02 PM

Take your time Kes, come back 100%
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:12 PM

That's ok; neither is the NHL.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:14 PM

So you're saying his recovery time just took a.....

DIVE.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:18 PM

Well, look at this from a financial standpoint.

As he was injured during the last season, he isn't currently "Locked Out"! As such, he is still receiving his 5 million per season pay.

That means, his AGENT would also be receiving HIS percentage of that contract.

If he was to suddenly be healthy, he would move to active status and be forced to join the other players in Lock Out mode and thus would no longer be eligible to continue collecting pay every 2 weeks.

Based on that, what do you think the chances are of either Kesler or his Agent admitting that he's healthy before the lockout ends???
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:05 PM

Looks like he's right on pace with the rest of the league. October 2013 return.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:22 PM

I think he's taking it careful, and also trying to just make his money. It's smart, good job Kesler.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:22 PM

if only cody stuck around he would've gotten his chance

Cody is also injured...
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:41 PM

I hope he's taking it slow and easy. Rushing it didn't work out so well for him or the team last time. I just don't see it as fair to assume he's scamming or in any way being less than honest about his condition just to keep getting paid.

I can completely understand the idea that having 2 major surgeries to your arm/shoulder on one side of the body could make it so much harder for you to be able to properly rehab either, and how it can throw the rest of the body out of alignment.


Normally I would agree. In a regular season you just don't do that for so many reasons. In the lockout though he's not at the rink everyday, and he's probably, understandably, not happy with the NHL. I don't know the exact rules but I assume he can go through rehab and still get paid. He can probably lift weights, strength train, and say it just doesn't feel right. Since there's no practice and no games to play, and no incentive to come off IR ... why not?

Kesler comes off the IR a month or two too early anyway because he can't stand not playing. Now are there are no games.

I wonder if he at least took the team out for dinner in these times of need?
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:42 PM

Wow, if the season actually started in October, and we hear that he be out "months" were looking at him possibily missing the entire season.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:27 AM

Well, we got 10 more months until our next game. I think hel'll be alright. :P
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:08 AM

The way this article reads, it makes it sound as if the agent held a press conference to make this announcement. If you read the headlines on TSN; it says that Gillman (therefore the Canucks) disagree.

But there was also the barbs going back and forth when AV suggested his injuries were not an excuse at the end of the season. Kesler and his agent took exception, and its not the first time. They also did, as noted, wait nearly two months.

Does it look like Kesler, who also went after Hodgson when we played Buffalo, has learned something from CoHo?

There is little good to be made from that conversation. When you read Gillman's full quote he is not really calling out Kesler. And I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because clearly he was putting it out there even when he was hurt. Still, people, including the agent, should be very careful not to create controversy! It also does not serve his client...

The last thing we want is Kesler to be another Hodgson... :sadno: We love Kesler in beast mode not dive mode.

I would not put any stock into this at all. This all about his agent making sure that the Canucks are aware that Kesler is "months away" from returning, and thus, needs to continue to be paid during the lockout. It looks good when something like this is reported to the media should someone from the Canucks decide that Kesler is in fact healthy and therefore, deserving of being locked out.

I full expect that if there is an NHL season, Kesler will make a "miraculous" recovery and return much sooner if not immediately upon the start of training camp.

Keep in mind, the timing of Kesler's surgery was also orchestrated by his agent as well. He waited a full two months after the playoffs ended to have surgery, thus ensuring that he would not be ready for the start of the season, and therefore would be able to be paid during the lockout. Kesler has also been very sure to not jeopardize his free pay day by showing up at charity events but playing non-contact roles like coach or referee.

It certainly shows where Kesler's values are. It's all about getting paid, solidarity be damned.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:21 AM

BIG SUPRISE!!!!!!!

So Kesler has months and months of rehab to do to be back to 100 percent. Isn't it convenient that he keeps getting paid his full salary this whole time if he says he's injured. Even more convenient that his agent is jumping up and down too.

I guarantee if the lockout ended middle of Janaury, Kesler would be ready within a week. It would be a miracle! But if the season gets canceled, Kesler says he's injured till March or April, the end of the season.

By the way, is Edler still supposedly injured too?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:03 AM

Who knows if there will even be hockey by his projected return time frame?
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:15 AM

Remind me again what we could have fetched after a 21 year old Hodgson demands a trade in the summer after not getting enough ice time? I'm sure a lot of teams would want a young primadonna.

A young 21 year old Hodgson who has a breakout year on the 3rd line and wanting more ice time? If I was a team that is in need of a 2nd line C who potentially could become a 1st line C, I'd jump on that right away. He's already put up good numbers on the 3rd line, and with more ice time and better scoring linemates, if I were a GM who needs a 2nd line C, I'd be thinking about how many more assists/points he could rack up.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:16 AM

Maybe the Canucks will luck out and get the first overall pick in the 2013 Draft and we can get Nathan MacKinnon so we have a backup plan for when the NHL starts up again.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:38 AM

who cares right now, there is no season right now so there is no problem. When the time comes to put the puck on the ice, then it may become an issue.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:31 AM

BIG SUPRISE!!!!!!!

So Kesler has months and months of rehab to do to be back to 100 percent. Isn't it convenient that he keeps getting paid his full salary this whole time if he says he's injured. Even more convenient that his agent is jumping up and down too.

I guarantee if the lockout ended middle of Janaury, Kesler would be ready within a week. It would be a miracle! But if the season gets canceled, Kesler says he's injured till March or April, the end of the season.

By the way, is Edler still supposedly injured too?

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I'm sorry to be rude, but you sir are an idiot.
Kesler won't continue to get paid simply because "he" says he's still injured, and why the hell do you care if he continues to get paid? He was hurt at work, people are entitled to be compensated for injuries at work, either paid time off or a buyout. It's not convenience, it's the law.
You know you can be anything you want on the internet, it's too bad you chose to be stupid / uneducated.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:45 AM

I'm sorry to be rude, but you sir are an idiot.
Kesler won't continue to get paid simply because "he" says he's still injured, and why the hell do you care if he continues to get paid? He was hurt at work, people are entitled to be compensated for injuries at work, either paid time off or a buyout. It's not convenience, it's the law.
You know you can be anything you want on the internet, it's too bad you chose to be stupid / uneducated.


Your calling the pot black.... Lol. Yes he can continue to be paid by "saying" he is still injured. It would be up to the team to prove he is not and cases like that are hard to prove. Why people care is some feel people shouldn't cheet and that it may not be deserving. This is all speculation on both sides and nobody other then Ryan knows, but it smells of a fish.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:58 AM

Normally I would agree. In a regular season you just don't do that for so many reasons. In the lockout though he's not at the rink everyday, and he's probably, understandably, not happy with the NHL. I don't know the exact rules but I assume he can go through rehab and still get paid. He can probably lift weights, strength train, and say it just doesn't feel right. Since there's no practice and no games to play, and no incentive to come off IR ... why not?

Kesler comes off the IR a month or two too early anyway because he can't stand not playing. Now are there are no games.

I wonder if he at least took the team out for dinner in these times of need?


I guess I just don't understand people willing to assume the worst without the slightest proof that it's true. Again, I can see how having surgeries on the same side of the body would negatively impact the recovery from both, especially the shoulder. It's got to be hard to rehab the shoulder without hurting the wrist.

Remember, we don't know how long he will ultimately need. It may be months or it may not. And, he wasn't even expected back until sometime next month, so he's not even behind schedule yet and people are still accusing him of lying about his recovery to get paid.

I agree he has less incentive to get back, but that doesn't mean he's lying. His problem last time was that he came back too soon, so maybe the lockout is exactly what he needs to force him to take the time he actually needs instead of going back too soon yet again.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:32 AM

Um. Insurance and companies hawk their own employees when it comes to thinks like injury time off. And this is for little guys on average salary. You don't think that the insurance, the company that has to deal with the insruance people, and the league itself who also deals with the insurance people, wouldn't keep tabs and have good doctors overseeing injuries and stuff like this worth millions to them?

I'm not surprised at all. He's an aging guy who plays hard, who all of a sudden seems to be having a majory surgery or two every year now. Before that, he was just getting random injuries in the playoffs all the time. Now he just happens to need surgery for them.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:34 AM

I wonder if the Canucks would hold a grudge...lol We all know why he is on a slow recovery and if you dont think the NHL Started next week Kesler would have a miracle recovery...and I know from past kelserisms, he came back early from injury and FAILED....He is a injury prone asset now...trade him quick....lol
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:41 AM

I wonder if the Canucks would hold a grudge...lol We all know why he is on a slow recovery and if you dont think the NHL Started next week Kesler would have a miracle recovery...and I know from past kelserisms, he came back early from injury and FAILED....He is a injury prone asset now...trade him quick....lol


who would you trade him for exactly? you think you're gonna get fair value in return with the recent surgeries?
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:44 AM

Well, look at this from a financial standpoint.

As he was injured during the last season, he isn't currently "Locked Out"! As such, he is still receiving his 5 million per season pay.

That means, his AGENT would also be receiving HIS percentage of that contract.

If he was to suddenly be healthy, he would move to active status and be forced to join the other players in Lock Out mode and thus would no longer be eligible to continue collecting pay every 2 weeks.

Based on that, what do you think the chances are of either Kesler or his Agent admitting that he's healthy before the lockout ends???

:picard:

He's getting paid by an insurance company. The insurance company requires proof. If Kesler/Kesler's Agent is hiding the fact that he's not really injured, that's insurance fraud. Do you honestly think Kesler and his agent would be stupid enough to risk the remainder of his career ($22.488M remaining if they play 48 games this season plus subsequent contracts) to get paid another $2M? :rolleyes:
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:54 AM

I'm pretty sure insurance covers it so I don't think the Canucks directly care.


I'm pretty sure the insurance companies REALLY care



Edit: It's obvious by the comments that not many people here have actually dealt with insurance companies before.

Please Hockey Gods, give us back our game... it's driving people to become even MORE paranoid and illogical! We can't survive like this much longer.

Edited by Dral, 14 December 2012 - 11:57 AM.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:05 PM

Saw this last night. It definitely sucks that he's months away, and is waaayyy behind in his recovery, but if these next few months prove to be beneficial to his recovery and him getting back to 100% then it's more than worth it.
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