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Poll: Is Kassians lack of scoring in the AHL a cause for concern? (109 member(s) have cast votes)

is kassian lack of production concerning you about is development so far?

  1. Yes, he should be dominating down there and he is not (68 votes [62.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.39%

  2. No, he is just off to a rough start and its no cause for concern (41 votes [37.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.61%

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#91 Dogbyte

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 02:12 PM

Says the guy who probably has limited knowledge of him, and has based his entire opinion on last seasons small sample.

Whatever I'll sit back like I have with people who said Grabner was no good, and people who said Hodgson was no good. And I'll just shake my head when they become great players before everyone's eyes. :picard:

I'm surprised people are having this reaction after Kassian put up two points last game. Usually prospects only get called out when they have one bad game...


LOL, you might be waiting an awful long time for Grabner to become a good player. He had some goals a couple years ago but reverted to his pathetic style last year and was horrible on the island.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 03:34 PM

Todd bertuzzi Andrew ladd David booth


Ladd's production went up after leaving Chicago to play in ATL/WPG, so no. David Booth's numbers actually went down when he began playing with an elite talent (Kesler) than when compared to playing with a lesser talent (Weiss). Bertuzzi still managed 40+ points in every season after leaving Vancouver until last year. Not to mention 2 of those years were spent with Anaheim/Calgary, both being seasons where he only played 68 and 66 games.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 03:35 PM

LOL, you might be waiting an awful long time for Grabner to become a good player. He had some goals a couple years ago but reverted to his pathetic style last year and was horrible on the island.


Well, people were saying he was a bust and a career AHLer. I think he proved those people wrong when he scored 34 goals and was nominated for the Calder.

I don`t think he`s going to be a superstar, but he can at least be called a good player on a pretty bad Islanders team.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 03:39 PM

Why is there debate who is better? Evidently it is Cody at this point in time.


I don`t know. These Hodgson fan boys just can`t let it go.

They keep trying to compare the two now, like it even matters. Wait until these guys have played a few seasons in the NHL, then compare them. Until then shut up already.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 04:26 PM

I don`t know. These Hodgson fan boys just can`t let it go.

They keep trying to compare the two now, like it even matters. Wait until these guys have played a few seasons in the NHL, then compare them. Until then shut up already.

Wow what a stupid stupid post.

I guess we can't compare Huberdeau to RNH or Reinhart to Rielly or any other player early on in his career :rolleyes: Hodgson and Kassian have both played in the NHL and many seasons of juniors, plus junior tournaments therefore they can be compared because they are both hockey players.

In your logic why bother comparing any junior players? Its a wonder why NHL teams do :rolleyes: they should just throw darts at a wall of draft eligible players and see who pans out after they've played a few seasons in the NHL.

They would save so much money in scouting if they just listened to you DeNiro, hell there probably wouldn't even be a lockout without all that extra payroll. :picard:

Damn if only everyone listened closely to your inane ramblings we would be watching some Canuck hockey tonight!
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 04:36 PM

Wow what a stupid stupid post.

I guess we can't compare Huberdeau to RNH or Reinhart to Rielly or any other player early on in his career :rolleyes: Hodgson and Kassian have both played in the NHL and many seasons of juniors, plus junior tournaments therefore they can be compared because they are both hockey players.

In your logic why bother comparing any junior players? Its a wonder why NHL teams do :rolleyes: they should just throw darts at a wall of draft eligible players and see who pans out after they've played a few seasons in the NHL.

They would save so much money in scouting if they just listened to you DeNiro, hell there probably wouldn't even be a lockout without all that extra payroll. :picard:

Damn if only everyone listened closely to your inane ramblings we would be watching some Canuck hockey tonight!


What are you even rambling about? What either player did in their junior careers means nothing now. The fact that Hodgson was a great junior player means nothing now. Until he strings a few seasons together in the NHL, the sample size is too small to predict what kind of player he's going to be.

Trying to gauge a players career path based on their junior career is about the most idiotic thing you can do. Are you one of those people who thinks they can predict a players entire career based on a season and a half of being in the AHL? Maybe you're the one that should talk to the Canucks scouts. :lol:

How a player does in the NHL is all that matters. Why would we follow our prospects otherwise? And the bottom line is Hodgson has had an extra year over Kassian to play in the NHL, so it's not even a fair comparison. If there was a season this year, Kassian may very well have been on the third line and putting up points just like Hodgson. We won't know until he gets that chance though. You keep ignoring the fact that Hodgson never ripped it up in the AHL before coming into the NHL and playing well.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:07 PM

i would like to bet it does not matter who is better but who will have a longer NHL career ....
i am going to put my money on kass..
he might not put up more points in one season but i bet he will have a longer career putting up almost as many points.
plus CoHo was a nuck that needed to go.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:21 PM

Typical of this forum over 60% voting yes :sadno: . Like some have written already the team as a whole is struggling; Kassian, like some have also written, is a player who makes room for the other players to capitalize on. The Chigaco Wolves are not a highly skilled team to begin with, and therefore, there is no one to complement Kassian's skill set. I think Jensen would,will, be the perfect player to complement kassian :towel: .

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:18 PM

Wow what a stupid stupid post.

I guess we can't compare Huberdeau to RNH or Reinhart to Rielly or any other player early on in his career :rolleyes: Hodgson and Kassian have both played in the NHL and many seasons of juniors, plus junior tournaments therefore they can be compared because they are both hockey players.

In your logic why bother comparing any junior players? Its a wonder why NHL teams do :rolleyes: they should just throw darts at a wall of draft eligible players and see who pans out after they've played a few seasons in the NHL.

They would save so much money in scouting if they just listened to you DeNiro, hell there probably wouldn't even be a lockout without all that extra payroll. :picard:

Damn if only everyone listened closely to your inane ramblings we would be watching some Canuck hockey tonight!


If being good in junior automatically = being good in the NHL the Alexandre Daigle wouldn't have been one of the biggest busts in history
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:29 PM

To look at the big picture. It could be worse.

We could have traded Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel. ;)
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:30 AM

so just wondering what everyone else is thinking about this. zack was suppose to go down to the ahl and just tear it apart. as of right now hes been okay but not great. now while he has shown flashes of dominance at times (abbotsford games), 12 points in 20 games in the AHL isnt what canucks fans were hoping for, so lets just hope he is off to a slow start. what do you guys think?


I never did think he was up to much. MG traded Hodgson for nothing.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:19 AM

A lot of boo hoo in this thread huh.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:56 AM

What are you even rambling about? What either player did in their junior careers means nothing now. The fact that Hodgson was a great junior player means nothing now. Until he strings a few seasons together in the NHL, the sample size is too small to predict what kind of player he's going to be.

Trying to gauge a players career path based on their junior career is about the most idiotic thing you can do. Are you one of those people who thinks they can predict a players entire career based on a season and a half of being in the AHL? Maybe you're the one that should talk to the Canucks scouts. :lol:

How a player does in the NHL is all that matters. Why would we follow our prospects otherwise? And the bottom line is Hodgson has had an extra year over Kassian to play in the NHL, so it's not even a fair comparison. If there was a season this year, Kassian may very well have been on the third line and putting up points just like Hodgson. We won't know until he gets that chance though. You keep ignoring the fact that Hodgson never ripped it up in the AHL before coming into the NHL and playing well.

Who said anything about predicting what kind of player they are going to be? They are players now! and one can argue who is better NOW.

I guess with your logic we can't compare Stamkos to Crosby because Crosby has been in the NHL longer??!!? boohoo that's not fair to Stamkos!!!

Telling others to STFU because you can't handle anything that will comprimise your hard-on for Kassian is BS and you should stop trying to rack up your post count by being a douche.

Edit: Nothing you has said is any reason why we can't compare these two hockey players. If Hodgson was a football player and Kassian was baseball player I would agree. I would even agree with you if one of them was a goalie but since they are both fowards, around the same age, playing the same game... they are infact comparable.

Just because you have to wait years to determine if a hockey player has any value doesn't mean everyone else lacks the ability to see a player for how they play in the present, wherever they may play (Be it the NHL, Juniors or AHL)

If being good in junior automatically = being good in the NHL the Alexandre Daigle wouldn't have been one of the biggest busts in history

I'm sorry where did I say being good in junior = being good in the NHL please enlighten me because I don't see where I said that oh wait I didn't, so either you read a couple of lines and jumped to conclusions or perhaps you have mental challenges (in which case you have my sympathies)

Edited by Aladeen, 18 December 2012 - 12:16 PM.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:02 PM

Who said anything about predicting what kind of player they are going to be? They are players now! and one can argue who is better NOW.

I guess with your logic we can't compare Stamkos to Crosby because Crosby has been in the NHL longer??!!? boohoo that's not fair to Stamkos!!!

Telling others to STFU because you can't handle anything that will comprimise your hard-on for Kassian is BS and you should stop trying to rack up your post count by being a douche.

Edit: Nothing you has said is any reason why we can't compare these two hockey players. If Hodgson was a football player and Kassian was baseball player I would agree. I would even agree with you if one of them was a goalie but since they are both fowards, around the same age, playing the same game... they are infact comparable.

Just because you have to wait years to determine if a hockey player has any value doesn't mean everyone else lacks the ability to see a player for how they play in the present, wherever they may play (Be it the NHL, Juniors or AHL)

I'm sorry where did I say being good in junior = being good in the NHL please enlighten me because I don't see where I said that oh wait I didn't, so either you read a couple of lines and jumped to conclusions or perhaps you have mental challenges (in which case you have my sympathies)


"I guess we can't compare Huberdeau to RNH or Reinhart to Rielly or any other player early on in his career :rolleyes: Hodgson and Kassian have both played in the NHL and many seasons of juniors, plus junior tournaments therefore they can be compared because they are both hockey players.

In your logic why bother comparing any junior players? Its a wonder why NHL teams do :rolleyes: they should just throw darts at a wall of draft eligible players and see who pans out after they've played a few seasons in the NHL."

you're listing off players that are excelling in the Junior level (the "present" as you called it) as if that somehow suggests they will automatically carry that into the NHL and still be that good in the future, which is why I brought up Daigle cause he was excelling in Junior and supposedly was the next great one and proceeded to fail hard. pls go hodgson fanboy still mad about trade

Edited by Primus099, 18 December 2012 - 09:12 PM.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 11:18 PM

What are you even rambling about? What either player did in their junior careers means nothing now. The fact that Hodgson was a great junior player means nothing now. Until he strings a few seasons together in the NHL, the sample size is too small to predict what kind of player he's going to be.

Trying to gauge a players career path based on their junior career is about the most idiotic thing you can do. Are you one of those people who thinks they can predict a players entire career based on a season and a half of being in the AHL? Maybe you're the one that should talk to the Canucks scouts. :lol:

How a player does in the NHL is all that matters. Why would we follow our prospects otherwise? And the bottom line is Hodgson has had an extra year over Kassian to play in the NHL, so it's not even a fair comparison. If there was a season this year, Kassian may very well have been on the third line and putting up points just like Hodgson. We won't know until he gets that chance though. You keep ignoring the fact that Hodgson never ripped it up in the AHL before coming into the NHL and playing well.

Deniro your logic is spot on. These other idiots on here are just ignorant fools. I agree with you 100%. Time will tell, and whomever makes assumptions is just talking out of their a$$...
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:54 AM

"I guess we can't compare Huberdeau to RNH or Reinhart to Rielly or any other player early on in his career :rolleyes: Hodgson and Kassian have both played in the NHL and many seasons of juniors, plus junior tournaments therefore they can be compared because they are both hockey players.

In your logic why bother comparing any junior players? Its a wonder why NHL teams do :rolleyes: they should just throw darts at a wall of draft eligible players and see who pans out after they've played a few seasons in the NHL."

you're listing off players that are excelling in the Junior level (the "present" as you called it) as if that somehow suggests they will automatically carry that into the NHL and still be that good in the future, which is why I brought up Daigle cause he was excelling in Junior and supposedly was the next great one and proceeded to fail hard. pls go hodgson fanboy still mad about trade

Oh my god you must be DeNiro's Boyfriend. He is saying people posting are not allowed to Compare Hodgson to Kassian. I Say people are not only allowed but that it is logical.

Where the hell did you read that I believe these players will excel in the NHL WHERE? SHOW ME!

I know who Daigle is and I also know that not every great junior player pans out. Where did I state anything to the contrary? You are looking to argue with me because I called your little friend out for being a bully and that is the only point I am making.

If people are not allowed to come here to talk about hockey and yes this includes comparing players then what the hell are these fourms for? Please enlighten me. Show me one shred of evidence of me saying RNH or Huberdeau or Yakupov or Reilly or Reinhart or Hodgson or Kassian or any other prospect or otherwise WILL DEFINITELY have a great NHL career.

COMPARING DOES NOT MEAN I THINK THEY WILL BE NHL STUDS!!!!!

You are just looking for something that isn't there bud. My guess is because you are starstruck with DeNiro and his post count and you are just looking for ways to impress him. Good luck with your man crush
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:32 AM

Oh my god you must be DeNiro's Boyfriend. He is saying people posting are not allowed to Compare Hodgson to Kassian. I Say people are not only allowed but that it is logical.

Where the hell did you read that I believe these players will excel in the NHL WHERE? SHOW ME!

I know who Daigle is and I also know that not every great junior player pans out. Where did I state anything to the contrary? You are looking to argue with me because I called your little friend out for being a bully and that is the only point I am making.

If people are not allowed to come here to talk about hockey and yes this includes comparing players then what the hell are these fourms for? Please enlighten me. Show me one shred of evidence of me saying RNH or Huberdeau or Yakupov or Reilly or Reinhart or Hodgson or Kassian or any other prospect or otherwise WILL DEFINITELY have a great NHL career.

COMPARING DOES NOT MEAN I THINK THEY WILL BE NHL STUDS!!!!!

You are just looking for something that isn't there bud. My guess is because you are starstruck with DeNiro and his post count and you are just looking for ways to impress him. Good luck with your man crush

Simmer down Al.

If you can't see why comparing a player like Hodgson to a player like Kassian is not only silly but completely ridiculous then at least don't start tossing around insults like a 6 year old.

There are different types of players. There are things Hodgson brings that Kass will never bring to the table and vica versa so perhaps the point isn't that you can't compare as in you shouldn't but rather that you can't because you simply can't.

A better way to put it is perhaps you're not being told you shouldn't do something you're just being told it can't properly be done.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:57 AM

Oh my god you must be DeNiro's Boyfriend. He is saying people posting are not allowed to Compare Hodgson to Kassian. I Say people are not only allowed but that it is logical.

Where the hell did you read that I believe these players will excel in the NHL WHERE? SHOW ME!

I know who Daigle is and I also know that not every great junior player pans out. Where did I state anything to the contrary? You are looking to argue with me because I called your little friend out for being a bully and that is the only point I am making.

If people are not allowed to come here to talk about hockey and yes this includes comparing players then what the hell are these fourms for? Please enlighten me. Show me one shred of evidence of me saying RNH or Huberdeau or Yakupov or Reilly or Reinhart or Hodgson or Kassian or any other prospect or otherwise WILL DEFINITELY have a great NHL career.

COMPARING DOES NOT MEAN I THINK THEY WILL BE NHL STUDS!!!!!

You are just looking for something that isn't there bud. My guess is because you are starstruck with DeNiro and his post count and you are just looking for ways to impress him. Good luck with your man crush


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:59 AM

Simmer down Al.

If you can't see why comparing a player like Hodgson to a player like Kassian is not only silly but completely ridiculous then at least don't start tossing around insults like a 6 year old.

There are different types of players. There are things Hodgson brings that Kass will never bring to the table and vica versa so perhaps the point isn't that you can't compare as in you shouldn't but rather that you can't because you simply can't.

A better way to put it is perhaps you're not being told you shouldn't do something you're just being told it can't properly be done.


My point exactly. Don't know why he suddenly got his undies in a knot...
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:34 AM

i guess he got a bit tired now... he was playing like crazy in the first 10 games or so.. scoring, hitting and fighting..
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:35 PM

i guess he got a bit tired now... he was playing like crazy in the first 10 games or so.. scoring, hitting and fighting..


Lol, just what we need a kid in his early 20's getting tired after ten games.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:03 PM

I think the issue is and why people compare the two so much (besides the fact they were traded for each other) is that last year we were in a position yo take a serious run at the cup and then MG pulled off this trade when we all knew that scoring in the playoffs was an issue for us.

He was billed at the time as not being a downgrade, therefore comparing the two is fine. Pulling out our third leading scorer right before the playoffs for a player that was to be benched in the playoffs was and is still a bad move. You can look at it any way you want but because of the timing and the risk involved with this trade comparisons are just.

If MG had better scouting on the kid he never would have made the trade. They should have traded him in the summer after the playoffs if the return was not of = value. MG thought is was equal value and zack could help us in the playoffs more then Cody could. MG "compared" there value to the team for that year and made the trade, he lost and we lost.

You can say all day that you can't "compare" the two or that zack just needs to play with the twins to play well (and he should have a free ride to the top line), but at the end it all comes back to "comparing" who would have helped us more when we needed it.

If you don't want to compare them then don't but don't get your panties in a fit if someone wants to.


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:59 PM

Trade Kassian for Schultz then see what happens to production for each player.

We have a good pro team and a crappy minor team and its usually one or the other with some exceptions.

We don't get good draft picks cause we kick a$$

So y'all need to just let out some gas during that morning wiz and relax


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He aint no fanboy - just talkin hard cold reason.

Playing with Eberle, Hall and Nugent-Hopkins - three point a game youngsters (or .9x p/game if you want to split hairs) in the NHL last year facing top NHL pairings - now facing AHL opposition... this is not the real test for Schultz - so save us the prattle. There's more to hockey than racking up points against out-manned competition. The real test will come when he is facing Eberle, Hall and Nugent-Hopkins quality players 20 minutes a game in the NHL... It aint gonna be a cake walk. The 22 year old (btw that's pretty damn old for an AHL "rookie") is good, and he's an Oiler. That was his decision. Quit whining and blaming Gillis and Vigneault. It's pathetic. The Coilers need him more and could offer something the Canucks could never Justinify. Get over it.

If you want to compare Kassian and Hodgson - at the same age in the AHL, Kassian is scoring at the same pace - and he hits, fights and his camp won't be publicly lobbying for Burrows' ice time in three months. Pretty favourable as far as I'm concerned.

(Passes gas, and doesn't sweat it.)

Edited by oldnews, 20 December 2012 - 12:05 AM.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:16 PM

Take it from Noheart.
He aint no fanboy - just talkin hard cold reason.

Playing with Eberle, Hall and Nugent-Hopkins - three point a game youngsters (or .9x p/game if you want to split hairs) in the NHL last year facing top NHL pairings - now facing AHL opposition... this is not the real test for Schultz - so save us the prattle. There's more to hockey than racking up points against out-manned competition. The real test will come when he is facing Eberle, Hall and Nugent-Hopkins quality players 20 minutes a game in the NHL... It aint gonna be a cake walk. The 22 year old (btw that's pretty damn old for an AHL "rookie") is good, and he's an Oiler. That was his decision. Quit whining and blaming Gillis and Vigneault. It's pathetic. The Coilers need him more and could offer something the Canucks could never Justinify. Get over it.

If you want to compare Kassian and Hodgson - at the same age in the AHL, Kassian is scoring at the same pace - and he hits, fights and his camp won't be publicly lobbying for Burrows' ice time in three months. Pretty favourable as far as I'm concerned.

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And if I might add it seems as though Arniel, and the wolves organiztion are a little more interested in developing Kassian's defensive game at this point in his career which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I for one was upset with his benching and lack of scoring, and I blamed it on Arniel, but maybe it really was/is for his own good. Besides for a young player, that is what being in the AHL is for, to round out your game is it not? I would much rather have Kassian put up less points now to work on his defensive prowess so he is much better prepared for the NHL. Obviously we can see that his offensive awareness is pretty good, he can hit, and probably beat the pulp out of most players his age. So I say why waste so much time and energy on the things that you're already good at, and neglect ther other aspects of your game? If Kass is always fighting and destroying other players chances are he is going to spend a lot more time in the box, and thats no way to get any better on the ice in a real game situattion. One element of his game that needs to be addressed right now is his defensive play. IMO, for the future, I would rather have a 25-35g, 45-55a guy that can hit, fight and be responsible DEFENSIVELY, than someone with the same numbers more, or less, that can not play defensive at all.

Anyway just my two cents on Kassians current status in the AHL..

Edited by JohnLennon, 20 December 2012 - 03:00 PM.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:39 PM

I never did think he was up to much. MG traded Hodgson for nothing.

Way too early to call Kassian 'nothing.' Zack has potential to be a top six power forward in this league. People including myself hope he can turn into Lucic, but realistically I see him becoming a Hartnell/Clowe type forward.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 02:29 PM

Big time.

As usual, his work ethic is a problem apparently.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 04:16 PM

Is Chris Kreiders lack of scoring in the AHL cause for concern?

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:10 PM

Is Chris Kreiders lack of scoring in the AHL cause for concern?

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Exactly. Another example of why you can't just use stats to judge a player.

You have to consider what team they're on, and who they're playing with. Are they getting lots of opportunities and just having bad luck?

We all know Kreider is good enough for the NHL after what he did in the playoffs.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:37 PM

Exactly. Another example of why you can't just use stats to judge a player.

You have to consider what team they're on, and who they're playing with. Are they getting lots of opportunities and just having bad luck?

We all know Kreider is good enough for the NHL after what he did in the playoffs.


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:44 PM

Well it's certainly not a cause for optimism.
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