inane Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 If that is the case, then they should stop the war on terrorism and start the war on drinking and driving or reckless driving. After all, more Americans get killed because of driving than terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Calm down children..there's worse things going on in the world.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Prepare for one page of replies about how you're an insensitive clod, half of them from the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Prepare for one page of replies about how you're an insensitive clod, half of them from the same person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 just one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 What regulation would have prevented this? It looks like existing regulation prevented the guy from buying a gun, but there is no all-encompassing control you can reasonably implement in the real world that would have prevented this guy from attaining a gun or other weapon and using it on people. In light of that, there needs to be a discussion of prevention in other areas as to what could have been done, signs perhaps of mental instability, depression, prior intent.. ways to better spot someone that might commit such acts.. rather than just jumping to guns and on the typical gun control / gun ban solves our problems gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMBUTANS Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Lp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think nux4lyfe's post went over your head, actually. Yours, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 You don't think education and standards for gun owners would make a difference? You're wrong there's tonnes of evidence that suggest this in countries with stricter and more comprehensive gun regulations. Hell there's evidence of it state by state in the US. You're trying to argue that this one case means everything because you found the golden ticket that he was refused a gun. How'd he get his moms gun? What training and education of gun safety did his mom have? Your argument sucks but it's consistently sucked each time you've repeated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Prepare for one page of replies about how you're an insensitive clod, half of them from the same person. The other half being from posters with PhD's in clinical psychology all giving you their diagnosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 On the contrary I've stated that one wouldn't find disagreement suggesting more testing and courses required, and more frequent registration being reasonable requirements. However, the suggestion that one really wants to get to the bottom of things is disingenuous when the premise starts with object = at fault, regulate / ban it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 right...cause there's absolutely nothing worse going on in the world right now then that right? so he clearly must have been being sarcastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hey was I reading you right about that isreal and switzerland thing you posted? If so I hope the info I provided was good. I actually thought the same you did and was surprised to find out we were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 if that info was in fact correct then alot has changed in isreal and switzerland cause they definitely used to be very close to the US in terms of rate per guns in homes, yet still had very low gun crime rates, as recently as 2007 Switzerland was 4th in the world in guns per capita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromotacanucks Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 regulation only works when you have supervision. constant and hard supervision... the guy uses his mom´s name to buy a weapon. If I were a policeman I would start to think "mmmm. why this guy is buying a gun to his mom? the ladie cannot buy herself a gun?" second. we have to face the problem, this guy was a maniac, with or without a gun he would do what he did, the only difference is that with the gun he killed much more. it was clear that he would be able to do this with a knife, a bomb, a car bomb or even with some gas. at the moment he tried to buy a gun on other city after being denied in his city the state police should "invited" him for a "conversation" and discover why he needed soo many guns... for example. in Brazil we have this gun regulation, but it doesn´t work because there´s no supervision from the police, its very very hard to legally buy a gun here, you must do exams, psychological and physicals exams plus many other test to receive your "gun license" (Porte de Arma de fogo). BUT you know the shortest and easiest way and don´t care if you are legal or not? go to Paraguay, pay 50 dollars for a .38 gun and more 10 dollars for the bullets, cross the border at night use the secondary roads again and gotcha! how you guys think the criminals in Rio de Janeiro get their guns?! them a honest, decent and nice Brazilian citizen cannot have a gun for self protection but the criminals can. the police don´t supervise, they don´t check the border, they don´t check the weapon stores. the problem isn´t with the honest citizen using his gun for self defense.... the problem is located with the maniac who use the gun on a criminal or terrorist way. the police must check an exam EVERY purchase... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday : "You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why. It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody. CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next. You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday : "You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why. It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody. CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next. You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_kmNMR0cp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrels.Gone.Wild Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Charlie Booker, in 2009, on everything the media does wrong in a mass shooting: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 And that has never been my position at all. In fact I said that saying banning guns would mean violence would go away is sill. The fact is in every one of these cases these people always seem to have reasonably easy access to guns. Take away that opportunity and all they have left is motivation...right? If a person is motivated enough (rationally or otherwise) they will find a way but again let them at least work for it. they need to stop making it so easy for this people to be able to carry out these actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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