Pouria Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 It's a speech, nothing more -- I don't get caught up in speeches hence why I'm not so awestruck by Obama's ability to talk. It's not a legislative session, it's not the President signing a bill. Sorry, I don't let touchy feely things affect my thinking when it comes to the bigger picture of constitutional rights. It's a sad event and I feel bad for the innocent kids and adults who were murdered, but right when this happens the immediate discussion is how to limit rights based on a horrendously flawed premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 It's a speech, nothing more -- I don't get caught up in speeches hence why I'm not so awestruck by Obama's ability to talk. It's not a legislative session, it's not the President signing a bill. Sorry, I don't let touchy feely things affect my thinking when it comes to the bigger picture of constitutional rights. It's a sad event and I feel bad for the innocent kids and adults who were murdered, but right when this happens the immediate discussion is how to limit rights based on a horrendously flawed premise. You guys like snowball rolling downhill arguments, correct? Why not give them all up if you can so easily trivialise one right? Maybe exercising a right makes someone feel safe. Maybe they prefer to have a gun and keep it unloaded just to feel safe. Who gives a frack? It's not the people who exercise their rights to own a gun that are the problem, it's the people committing crimes. Yeah let's eliminate rights of law abiding citizens because of criminals. That'll show those criminals! Utterly asinine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Indeed those cases will have an impact when it comes to criteria other judges use to hear future cases but given the increasingly polarised and politicised nature of the judicial branch I wouldn't be surprised if stare decisis is not employed to overrule those decisions. There is a very prominent gun control lobby as well, would you suggest they are a problem too?\ I sure would. The amount of sway lobbies have in general is an enormous problem that places private interests above individual liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pouria Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 No .. it is the discussion that is going on about how to change a culture of violence & horror, and guns are a part of that .. if your almighty Constitution is so great, it should allow for such discussion .. typical of most T-bag type thinkers, you are too defensive to even let the discussion take place .. Empathy seems lost on too many folks these days .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Sadly they cut from the 49ers game to show this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Sometimes there are things in this world that are of far greater significance than a football game. We can't do anything to bring back the victims and we can't ease the pain of their families. But we can certainly take a moment to remember them and say a prayer for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Well, one of those changes requires amending or removing a very explicitly stated right that shall not be infringed. If you think taking my position is easier try defending it on these forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electro Rock Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 As I said, they already gave up those freedoms after the 9/11 attacks and Americans did nothing about it with their guns in their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Since you are posting on a forum frequented almost exclusively by Canadians who do not have a constitutional right to bear arms, why would that surprise you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 It would seem you've underestimated how many Americans are here. I'm also Canadian, I just don't argue American politics with a Canadian viewpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 There are very few Americans here at CDC in my experience. Your viewpoint is extremely hard to grasp as it wanders all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pouria Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I did my own version of a "prayer" two days ago. Some of us don't wish to be inundated 24/7 with grieving and sensationalism in the rare event they even turn the TV on. I hope you can understand. I get where you're coming from. Well, one of those changes requires amending or removing a very explicitly stated right that shall not be infringed. If you think taking my position is easier try defending it on these forums. Now I'm a cold blooded killer in training? There is no hyperbole you won't venture to, is there? Sharpshooter entertained me with a full thread last time this discussion came up of calling me a teabagger and gun wielding nut. For people who try to come off as rational you can't seem to keep even-keel. Irrational outbursts are a sign of something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 No, am just feeding you what you throw out there. You come up with some ridiculous responses and I just give it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pouria Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I'm not throwing out the caricatures and hyperbole you are. I don't need them. You do. If anything you were mocked because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 The caricatures and hyperbole are more in tune with reality than some of your posts. I don't see many Americans throwing a fit because they cut out the football game for a speech by the president of United States relating to a very tragic event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 But allowing people to own them is the solution? Alrighty then. The Americans already gave up some of their freedom after 9/11 because of safety issues yet they can't let go of their precious guns when incidents like these occur on a daily basis. Removal of weapons or stricter gun laws might not be the "magical solution" but at the very least it is something, right? You didn't hear Obama's speech tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Yeah okay here comes the sensitivity tantrums.. I can see discussion with you has run it's course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I think the both of you are walking off the path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Yeah okay here comes the sensitivity tantrums.. I can see discussion with you has run it's course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Hartnell's Mane Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 There are very few Americans here at CDC in my experience. Your viewpoint is extremely hard to grasp as it wanders all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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