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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:21 PM

I can't believe there are people here who are against implementing improved gun control measures. I'm with Rupert.

And with that, I'm going to bed. I have 30 posts on CDC today, which is waaaaayyyy too much for me. There's only so much of this place one can take.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:21 PM

In the United Kingdom, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 2009: 0.22

In Japan, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is 2008: 0.0

Canada, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is 2009: 0.5

In Switzerland, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is 2010: 0.52

In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is 2009: 2.98


Thats an astoundingly stark difference, what are the reasons for this?

Edit: Between Switzerland and America I meant specifically.

Edited by Red Light Racicot, 14 December 2012 - 07:43 PM.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:24 PM

you seriously think gun laws would prevent criminals from getting their hands on them? lol whatever makes you feel better, they can pretty much get anything they want with a simple phone call


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:37 PM

I can't believe there are people here who are against implementing improved gun control measures. I'm with Rupert.

And with that, I'm going to bed. I have 30 posts on CDC today, which is waaaaayyyy too much for me. There's only so much of this place one can take.

It is ridiculous that anyone would post so much on CDC.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:38 PM

I'm not arguing against that, my point is simply if preventing preventable deaths is the motivation, then presumably you want to stop as many preventable deaths as possible, so presumably you would start with the preventable deaths that happen the most. Whether it is guns or cars or fridges isn't the point, it's the over the top reaction to rare events as though preventing those will prevent the most deaths. It's an emotional response, I get that. But it is void of logic.

And I'm saying that we are trying to prevent deaths from automobile accidents. As I said earlier, there have been many advances in auto safety in the last few decades. The same can't be said for gun safety.

You are far safer riding in a car today than you were 30 years ago. Are children safer in their own schools than they were 30 years ago?

Besides which, was does it have to be one or the other? Can't we be concerned about car safety and gun safety? That seems "logical" to me.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:41 PM

Yeah, all of these restrictive laws are no effort at all.. this guy.. lol.

Murders in general, never mind gun murders, have steadily decreased.. consistently.. over the last few decades. Something should always be done about murders but it's not at such a pace that justifies the knee jerk.


Willikers.

And I here I was thinking that there might be a bit of a gun problem in America. Silly me.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:43 PM

It is ridiculous that anyone would post so much on CDC.
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Hilarious.

BTW, you're losing your title to Vintage Canuck.

He's as prolific as a Mormon. (Insert joke here)
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:49 PM

Hilarious.

BTW, you're losing your title to Vintage Canuck.

He's as prolific as a Mormon. (Insert joke here)

I'd say that 'Coaster is waaaaayyyy out in front in total word count. B)

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:51 PM

And I'm saying that we are trying to prevent deaths from automobile accidents. As I said earlier, there have been many advances in auto safety in the last few decades. The same can't be said for gun safety.

You are far safer riding in a car today than you were 30 years ago. Are children safer in their own schools than they were 30 years ago?

Besides which, was does it have to be one or the other? Can't we be concerned about car safety and gun safety? That seems "logical" to me.


You're safer, yet still thousands die. So, I don't think we should be celebrating anything.

Yeah, do it all, like I said, I'm not opposed to stopping gun violence. But if stopping preventable deaths is your cause, then at least act on what will stop the most!
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:52 PM

Can we just rename this thread once and for all to Gun Control In The US V.359? To hell with the fact that a bunch of kids and adults died in an elementary school today in CT, right?


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:56 PM



You're absolutely right. Let's get back on topic. Let me have the last words on this, no to guns, ban them all from private individuals.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:56 PM

Can we just rename this thread once and for all to Gun Control In The US V.359? To hell with the fact that a bunch of kids and adults died in an elementary school today in CT, right?


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We all cope in our own ways, BB.

I have been crushed all day knowing how this is affecting a very good friend of mine, as it does any parent who has lost their child.

All you need to do is scratch the surface and it's still right there.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

It's days like these I thank god for Australia's gun laws. Thank you John Howard. Thoughts with those in Connecticut
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

Tell that to the parents of the dead kids. Both are needless--if the death is totally needless and out of the blue, does it matter to the grieving parent how their kid died?


You don't get what I'm saying do you.

You were saying instead of doing something about the gun issue why don't we care more about the amount of kids who die in automobile accidents right?Correct me if I'm wrong.
There are already many laws and previsions in place to reduce the amounts of deaths in car accidents. There isn't nearly enough done to prevent deaths due to gun violence.

There's a reason why its called a car ACCIDENT
and what happened today wasn't an accident it was MURDER

that's why this is getting attention and that's why more should be done to prevent this from happening again.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:04 PM

I already said that I'd outlaw several types of ammunition and tightly control the rest.

You can keep your guns, but when your ammo runs out, you're going to be left with a very expensive club with which you can attempt mass murder...


As if some major criminal entity or nation state wouldn't step in an fill the void through smuggling or even underground production.

And you're "projecting" that mass murder part.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:04 PM

Restrictive? You have a twisted sense of what restrictive is. Read the article posted earlier about gun ownership in Japan. That's restrictive. (You may also want to note the effect that these laws have had on gun-related deaths in a country where over 100 million people are crammed into a few small islands) As the popular saying goes: "This would never happen in Japan".

In regards to your continued use of the term knee-jerk: I was an adult when Columbine happened and I called for changes then, I did so again after West Nickel Mines School, again Virginia Tech, again after Tuscon, and again after Aurora...

This has been an issue for me for over a decade. Nothing "knee-jerk" about it.

Congratulations on calling for a change while suggesting to impose restricting American rights if not a complete elimination of one of them due to subjectively not feeling others should own them. Its not merely an issue for you because if it were you'd only be talking about yourself being restricted or losing ownership not anyone else. As for the America vs Japan thing everyone knows theres a problem here but some of us can actually blame the people doing it and not the weapon itself and punish those not doing anything wrong, and some of us respect all rights, even those we dont utilise.. and even when some very few abuse them.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:06 PM

Willikers.

And I here I was thinking that there might be a bit of a gun problem in America. Silly me.

Actually its a murder problem but indeed some people have made the gun in general their problem.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:06 PM

I think it will be time for Congress to enforce tough gun laws........yes there will be opposition but this has killed young innocent children.........this cant continue with so many shooting this year
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:08 PM

We all cope in our own ways, BB.

I have been crushed all day knowing how this is affecting a very good friend of mine, as it does any parent who has lost their child.

All you need to do is scratch the surface and it's still right there.


I know, I was here earlier today in this thread with several others calling someone out on their inane idea that Facebook and Twitter are the root cause of incidents like this. Apparently THAT was unacceptable but pages and pages of gun control debate is somehow deemed acceptable. Yes, everyone copes in their own way yet it appears that some are more acceptable ways to cope than others.

Anyone with children in their family is hurting today, even those who don't have close ties with children. Yet despite that, we have pages and pages of gun control debate in a thread created to discuss innocent children and several adults who were murdered shortly after getting to school this morning.

Perhaps those of us involved in that other debate should just bring it back in here despite the fact we respected the thread topic and took it elsewhere. It seems to be the trend in here.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:10 PM

Can we just rename this thread once and for all to Gun Control In The US V.359? To hell with the fact that a bunch of kids and adults died in an elementary school today in CT, right?


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:10 PM

You don't get what I'm saying do you.

You were saying instead of doing something about the gun issue why don't we care more about the amount of kids who die in automobile accidents right?Correct me if I'm wrong.
There are already many laws and previsions in place to reduce the amounts of deaths in car accidents. There isn't nearly enough done to prevent deaths due to gun violence.

There's a reason why its called a car ACCIDENT
and what happened today wasn't an accident it was MURDER

that's why this is getting attention and that's why more should be done to prevent this from happening again.


No. I'm saying if preventing preventable deaths is your motivation, there are more effective ways to do it than over react to a rare event like this.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:18 PM

As if some major criminal entity or nation state wouldn't step in an fill the void through smuggling or even underground production.

And you're "projecting" that mass murder part.

They might, but it will still be a lot harder than walking into the nearest Wal-Mart.

And I'm not "projecting" anything. Mass murder is happening and it is happening with guns.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:18 PM

crazy people are everywhere, but guns are not available everywhere. it only takes one loon to do it.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:21 PM

It's days like these I thank god for Australia's gun laws. Thank you John Howard. Thoughts with those in Connecticut

How does some imaginary being have anything to do with your gun control laws?
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:24 PM

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:24 PM

I know, I was here earlier today in this thread with several others calling someone out on their inane idea that Facebook and Twitter are the root cause of incidents like this. Apparently THAT was unacceptable but pages and pages of gun control debate is somehow deemed acceptable. Yes, everyone copes in their own way yet it appears that some are more acceptable ways to cope than others.

Anyone with children in their family is hurting today, even those who don't have close ties with children. Yet despite that, we have pages and pages of gun control debate in a thread created to discuss innocent children and several adults who were murdered shortly after getting to school this morning.

Perhaps those of us involved in that other debate should just bring it back in here despite the fact we respected the thread topic and took it elsewhere. It seems to be the trend in here.

I have children. I weigh in on the gun debate over and over because I still hope that the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" crowd will wake up and do something about it.

I'm trying to do what I can to keep this same thing from happening to more innocent children. I can't think of a better way to honor the ones lost this time around.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:24 PM

How does some imaginary being have anything to do with your gun control laws?


John Howard is real. I've seen him.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:30 PM

I have children. I weigh in on the gun debate over and over because I still hope that the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" crowd will wake up and do something about it.

I'm trying to do what I can to keep this same thing from happening to more innocent children. I can't think of a better way to honor the ones lost this time around.


Then perhaps gun control debate should have it's own ongoing thread. It shouldn't be tainting threads like this one.

And after all the gun control debates there have been on this board, it's still the same people having the same debate. You're preaching to the same choir, Rupert. Should there be debate? Debate away.....but perhaps it should be in it's own thread. Count back and see just how many of the last posts have even mentioned the thread topic. Not many, right?
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:32 PM

Were facebook and twitter responsible for all these? Nah, guns and bullets were:

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:38 PM

I randomly saw a dude with a "Hookin' aint easy" shirt at work today, and then I find out the shooting took place at Hook Elementary school.
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