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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:38 PM

you're right, i am infinitely more concerned with my immediate surroundings than trying to project my own interests and political ideas onto a country that i'm not even a citizen of

but in the meantime, the next time you hype up Scotland's efforts to thwart violence, add in a footnote about the knife violence that has lined Glasgow's streets for the bulk of the 2000s
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:38 PM

are you the puppy or the stocking?


Quit picking on the lady man, we all know you're a badass...
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:40 PM

Quit picking on the lady man, we all know you're a badass...


This is perhaps the stupidest post I have ever seen, not only on CDC, but the entire internet...


you can pick on people, but i can't?
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:42 PM

you can pick on people, but i can't?


I was commenting on the stupidity of a post.
You are trolling.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:46 PM

you're right, i am infinitely more concerned with my immediate surroundings than trying to project my own interests and political ideas onto a country that i'm not even a citizen of

but in the meantime, the next time you hype up Scotland's efforts to thwart violence, add in a footnote about the knife violence that has lined Glasgow's streets for the bulk of the 2000s


We're not "projecting our own interests" FWIW. The rest of the civilized world is just wondering what's taking y'all so long to clue in to a great many things we already figured out. Also, how much longer you're going to collectively bury your heads in the sand to science, data, facts etc and actually start making positive changes to correct long standing and ever worsening issues based on that data rather than religious and cultural stereotypes, fears, feelings and failed ideology.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:48 PM

You said a post was stupid. I said a different post was stupid. Even steven there.

BB responded by suggesting that I kick animals, emotionally abuse children, and hate christmas... because I think her post was stupid?

My response to that was pretty tame, I think, and very obviously not giving her exaggerated comment any credence beyond acknowledging that she saw clearly for a moment to type it.

Weak trolling on my part, if that's the diagnosis

We're not "projecting our own interests" FWIW. The rest of the civilized world is just wondering what's taking y'all so long to clue in to a great many things we already figured out. Also, how much longer you're going to collectively bury your heads in the sand to science, data, facts etc and actually start making positive changes to correct long standing and ever worsening issues.


I don't know what any of this has to do with me or what I've said, to be honest
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:51 PM

I don't know what any of this has to do with me or what I've said, to be honest


You tried to espouse that people from other countries were "trying to project my own interests and political ideas onto a country that i'm not even a citizen of". I corrected you.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:55 PM

you didn't correct anything, you attempted to justify it though
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:57 PM

BB responded by suggesting that I kick animals, emotionally abuse children, and hate christmas... because I think her post was stupid?


I feel like you just used me to take a jab at her.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:58 PM

like you tried to take a jab at someone else for having a different view on gun laws?
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:58 PM

Firstof all, no-one is talking about "outlawing" guns. We're talking about certain kinds of guns, such as the assault rifle used by Adam Lanza.

You know, the legally purchased weapon that a 20 year-old who lived in his mom's basement used to kill 20 children and 6 adults?

No-one believes that a ban on assault rifles will magically eliminate all shooting sprees. We're just hoping to stop some of them, or lessen the body count in the ones that do happen.


Why just assault rifles? you get 2 pistols with a 15 round clip that's potentially 30 people you can kill.

People have yet to figure out that things like this, drug addiction etc are medical issues, not gun control/law issues. Outlawing guns won't work any better on this than the war on drugs worked for that. People are the issue, not inanimate objects/substances. You're never going to get rid of mental illness, addiction etc. What we need to do is better identify and treat them. Minimize their harm and costs to society.

inb4 i get flamed again for having a different view on gun control

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:00 PM

like you tried to take a jab at someone else for having a different view on gun laws?


Yes, but I didn't have to go through anybody to do it. I quoted his post on my own, I didn't drag anybody into it.

Besides I'm don't mind if people are for guns, as long as they have intelligent arguments for it.

Simple lines like: "durpa durpa, if we outlaw guns then people gunna still get killed hurpa durp" don't work on me.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:04 PM

you didn't correct anything, you attempted to justify it though


Nope.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:11 PM

Yes, but I didn't have to go through anybody to do it. I quoted his post on my own, I didn't drag anybody into it.

Besides I'm don't mind if people are for guns, as long as they have intelligent arguments for it.

Simple lines like: "durpa durpa, if we outlaw guns then people gunna still get killed hurpa durp" don't work on me.


intelligent argument like "your opinion is the stupidest opinion i've ever read on the internet"?
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:18 PM

Why just assault rifles? you get 2 pistols with a 15 round clip that's potentially 30 people you can kill.

People have yet to figure out that things like this, drug addiction etc are medical issues, not gun control/law issues. Outlawing guns won't work any better on this than the war on drugs worked for that. People are the issue, not inanimate objects/substances. You're never going to get rid of mental illness, addiction etc. What we need to do is better identify and treat them. Minimize their harm and costs to society.

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Lanza had two pistols. Guess what he used to kill those 26 people...

FWIW: I agree with the idea that mental health issues need to be addressed, but there is no reason for average citizens to own assault weapons.

EDIT: I'll say one other thing regarding the mental health angle. Everyone brings this up as the root of the problem, but the fact is, the United States hasn't cornered the market on mental illness. It occurs in all countries.

For some reason however, the US has cornered the market on mass shootings such as the ones in Newtown and Aurora. You have to ask yourself why. The answer is because these mentally ill people have far too easy access to weapons of the sort that myself, and many others on this board would like to see eliminated.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:26 PM

intelligent argument like "your opinion is the stupidest opinion i've ever read on the internet"?


Stupid posts don't deserve intelligent responses.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:46 PM

Why just assault rifles? you get 2 pistols with a 15 round clip that's potentially 30 people you can kill.

People have yet to figure out that things like this, drug addiction etc are medical issues, not gun control/law issues. Outlawing guns won't work any better on this than the war on drugs worked for that. People are the issue, not inanimate objects/substances. You're never going to get rid of mental illness, addiction etc. What we need to do is better identify and treat them. Minimize their harm and costs to society.

inb4 i get flamed again for having a different view on gun control


That's just the kind of stupidy common sense can't break through. You have a lot of killing sprees, you could drastically reduce the number of deaths with intelligent gun control ... but no lets just take the path of least resistence and let it even itself out ... cause maybe we can teach people in about 20 years. Ei yi yi.

Anyone that doesn't understand how much harder it would be too kill people without these weapons, and the import of saving as much people as possible is beyond understanding.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:10 PM

That's just the kind of stupidy common sense can't break through. You have a lot of killing sprees, you could drastically reduce the number of deaths with intelligent gun control ... but no lets just take the path of least resistence and let it even itself out ... cause maybe we can teach people in about 20 years. Ei yi yi.

Anyone that doesn't understand how much harder it would be too kill people without these weapons, and the import of saving as much as possible is beyond understanding.


If availability is the big issue, why didn't these events happen a lot more back when there are overall a lot fewer controls on guns?


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:11 PM

Why just assault rifles? you get 2 pistols with a 15 round clip that's potentially 30 people you can kill.

People have yet to figure out that things like this, drug addiction etc are medical issues, not gun control/law issues. Outlawing guns won't work any better on this than the war on drugs worked for that. People are the issue, not inanimate objects/substances. You're never going to get rid of mental illness, addiction etc. What we need to do is better identify and treat them. Minimize their harm and costs to society.

inb4 i get flamed again for having a different view on gun control

The former federal ban on assault weapons included some semi-automatic pistols (including the Tec 9 and Uzi) and there were magzine capaicity limits as well.

Other semi-automatic pistols were also prohibited depending upon the features,

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
  • Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
  • Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
  • Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
  • Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
  • A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:15 PM

If availability is the big issue, why didn't these events happen a lot more back when there are overall a lot fewer controls on guns?


Cause the media wasn't there to make these mental cases into celebrities and give them a motive to do it

there's been 31 mass shootings in the 13 years since Columbine cause the media made Eric Harris and Dylan Kiebold household names. How many were there in the 13 years prior to Columbine that would be interesting to know

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:32 PM

If availability is the big issue, why didn't these events happen a lot more back when there are overall a lot fewer controls on guns?


Because even though the laws may have been less stringent the actual availabilty and power was lesser as was the knowledge and ease of getting these guns.

Primus 099 is right as well. The media and internet has a huge influence. Besides learning exactly how to pull this stupidity off these cowards gain courage from seeing others do it.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:34 PM

Cause the media wasn't there to make these mental cases into celebrities and give them a motive to do it

there's been 31 mass shootings in the 13 years since Columbine cause the media made Eric Harris and Dylan Kiebold household names. How many were there in the 13 years prior to Columbine that would be interesting to know


Off the top of my head there was the Stockton school shooting and L'Ecole Polytechnique, both in 1989.

However, there had long been a sensationalizing media in play even then, so I don't buy the arguement that mass media is a new element.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:35 PM

The last federal law on assault weapons (1994-2004) named 18 specific models. The updated law will be more comprehensive. President Obama is reportedly onside.


Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., the author of the assault weapons ban that became law in 1994 but expired in 2004, says she will introduce an “updated’’ assault weapons ban when Congress convenes Jan. 3.


Her new bill would outlaw 100 specifically-named firearms, weapons that can accept detachable magazines as well as certain semiautomatic rifles, handguns and shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:42 PM

mass murders for the last 30 years


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:49 PM

mass murders for the last 30 years


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Hmm, an awful lot of cases with prior mental illness as well as legal weapons purchases...
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

6th-grader brings gun to school to protect against ‘Connecticut-style’ attack



A sixth-grader at West Kearns Elementary School near Salt Lake City, Utah, brought a gun to school on Monday, saying he wanted to protect himself and his friends after Friday's shooting in Newtown, Conn.

He "continues to assert that he brought the weapon to protect himself and his friends from a 'Connecticut-style [shooting],'" Granite School District spokesman Ben Horsley said.

Two of the 11-year-old's classmates told their teacher on Monday afternoon that the student had a gun. The teacher immediately "apprehended" the student and contacted the authorities, Horsley said. The boy is being charged with one count of possession of a firearm on school property and three counts of aggravated assault, for allegedly threatening some of his classmates.

He will be charged in the juvenile system and eventually will be transferred to another school.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:16 PM

Better to arm students,eh? Self-help remedies work best.


Authorities say a Utah sixth-grader caught with a gun at school told administrators he brought the weapon to defend himself in case of an attack similar to the mass shooting last week in Newtown, Conn.


School officials say the 11-year-old has been arrested on suspicion of possessing a dangerous weapon and aggravated assault after other students told police he pointed the handgun at them on a field at a suburban Salt Lake City elementary school.


Officials say school staff confronted the boy in class after hearing he had a weapon and seized the unloaded gun and ammunition from his backpack Monday.


Authorities have not released the child's name and will not say where he got the gun. No one was injured.


The boy was due in juvenile court later Tuesday.

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BTW in Canada he could not have been charged as we do not deal with offenders under the age of 12 in Youth Court.


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:54 PM

Connecticut gunman never spoke, made no eye contact and was always with mother: hair stylist:

NEWTOWN, Conn. - As a teenager, Adam Lanza would come in for a haircut about every six weeks without speaking or looking at anyone and always accompanied by his mother, said stylists at a salon in the Connecticut town where Lanza gunned down 27 people last week, including his mother, before killing himself.


He stopped coming in a few years ago, and the employees at the
salon thought he had moved away, said stylist Bob Skuba.


The comments from him and his colleagues were among the first describing how the Lanzas interacted with each other.


Investigators have found no letters or diaries that could explain the attack, one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history. After killing his mother, Lanza forced his way into an elementary school and killed 26 people, including 20 young children. He then shot himself.


Cutting Adam Lanza's hair "was a very long half an hour. It was a very uncomfortable situation," stylist Diane Harty said. She said that she never heard his voice and that Nancy Lanza also hardly spoke.


Another stylist, Jessica Phillips, echoed their descriptions of the Lanzas and added that Nancy Lanza would give her son directions about what to do and where to go.


Adam would move only "when his mother told him to," Skuba said.


"I would say, 'Adam, come on.' He wouldn't move," Skuba said. "And his mother would have to say, 'Adam, come on, he's ready.' It was like I was invisible." He said Adam also wouldn't move from his chair after his hair was cut until his mother told him to.


If a stylist would ask Adam a question, Skuba said, his mother would answer.


"He would just be looking down at the tiles ... the whole time," Skuba said.


Former classmates have previously described Adam Lanza as intelligent but remote, and former high school adviser described him as anxious and shy. Several people who knew his mother have described her as a devoted parent.


Divorce paperwork released this week showed that Nancy Lanza had the authority to make all decisions regarding Adam's upbringing. The divorce was finalized in September 2009, when Adam Lanza was 17.


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:57 PM

some good reporting there. Quality insider information: family stylist. Think they talked to the family plumber in another report. Do these newspapers even have editors anymore?
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:53 PM

Cause the media wasn't there to make these mental cases into celebrities and give them a motive to do it

Other countries have mass media as well, however, they don't seem to have mass murder on the scale that the U.S. does. I'm pretty sure if you asked the average Canadian, Briton, German or Australian who Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were, they'd be able to tell you.

Why? Because it was all over their respective media as well. Yet, it seems like the lion's share of these shootings still happen in the US. So, if we have the same access to the media that Americans do, there must be another reason for the discrepancy...
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