Electro Rock Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Who's "targeting" civilian gun ownership? Whoever they are, they're doing a lousy job.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Personally above all I blame the media for these events. It's the coverage and notoriety that these sick individuals want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassian Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 "If any other plague was leaving piles of dead bodies all over the country, including children, our country would figure it out." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Absolutely horrible! But is anyone surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Personally above all I blame the media for these events. It's the coverage and notoriety that these sick individuals want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 The same bunch who've done so much to move us towards being a police state in recent years. Again, why didn't these things happen back in the '70s or whenever when conditions were a lot more favorable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 @USATODAY: BREAKING: Reports: Conn. shooter identified; parents found dead in their N.J. home http://t.co/VX1qWtYK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Does Connecticut have the death penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 It's not gun laws. The reason this happens now is because how crazy media coverage is and even us talking about it here right now on the Internet is exactly what those shooters want. It's a sick and twisted attention grab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Censorship and keeping people in the dark would be even more dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Sikes Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 The NRA will NOT want to talk about this .. they never do when guns are used in such a horrific manner .. they spew their credo that guns don't kill people, that people do .. WRONG .. bullets kill people .. 2nd Amendment guarantee's the right to bear arms but it does not guarantee the right to limitless clips and the bullets within .. what a sad, sad day .. Too many of these incidents involving kids seem to happen around Christmas .. I wonder why? .. because tho it is the season to be jolly, it is also a very depressing time for many people .. 18 children and 8 adults dead .. one shooter dead, apparently .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 @CBSNews: BREAKING: WCBS-TV reports that shooter's mother was teacher at school, many of the victims apparently her students @CBSNewYork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugemanskost Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 The Second Amendment of the US Constitution needs to be changed. It was written in the late 18th century where the "...right to bear arms..." held a totally different meaning, although the members of the idiotic NRA will say differently. The whole "...regulated Militia..." argument is really only valid today to Neo-Nazis and marginal groups / gangs who want to overthrow the government. Wanna leave areal legacy after your presidency, Barrack? Ban guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 You sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Gun control is useful but it is not a guarantee that such killings will never happen - consider gun control to be on the order of "harm reduction". We had situation recently here in BC with a person who had a "kill list" with perceived grievances against certain people. He was previously detained under the BC Mental Health Act by Victoria police and his weapon seized but it was returned to him. There is an ongoing investigation into the actions (or lack of action) of the Victoria Police as there is provision to revoke the firearms license for someone who is a danger to the public. Victoria police seized a firearm from suspected killer Angus Mitchell in February after he was arrested under the Mental Health Act. Mitchell had taken his gun to a medical clinic in Saanich and made veiled threats. He was released with no charges. Police returned the gun to him several weeks later without anyone making an application to court to have his firearms licence revoked. Mitchell, 26, is believed to have embarked on a murderous rampage in Metro Vancouver this week, killing two people at a Burnaby sushi restaurant, shooting and wounding a former landlord and hunting others with whom he had grievances. He died in a shootout with RCMP Wednesday in Maple Ridge that is now the subject of a Vancouver police department investigation. VPD Const. Jana McGuinness confirmed Friday that Victoria police have asked VPD to review how the gun seizure and subsequent return was handled. "The firearm was seized during a Mental Health Act apprehension. The review by Vancouver police will also examine whether [that] firearm is connected to the recent tragic incidents involving Mr. Mitchell," McGuinness said. The Vancouver Sun has learned that Victoria police contacted the RCMP's National Weapons Enforcement Support Team to find out the process for applying to revoke Mitchell's gun licence. Victoria police was told it didn't have enough evidence at the time, but should follow up with interviews of clinic staff members, as well as Mitchell's Victoria neighbours and former co-workers to see if there were grounds to apply to the court to keep the gun. Police in Victoria have not disclosed what officers did to investigate Mitchell's suitability to get his gun back, but The Sun has confirmed the firearm was returned without the matter being heard in court. The earlier Victoria incident occurred at the Uptown Medical Clinic in Saanich on Feb. 7 when Mitchell arrived, toting a rifle case, to see his doctor. He was allowed to go into his appointment, but was told to leave the case in the lobby. "There was an implied threat rather than a direct threat," Dr. Ian Bridger told the Victoria Times Colonist. "It was felt to be inappropriate." Mitchell left the clinic and staff called Saanich police. The gunman was arrested under the Mental Health Act by Victoria police and his rifle was seized. Mitchell, a former security guard, was exhibiting unstable and aggressive behaviour for months before he was killed this week, according to former co-workers and employers. He is believed to have entered Royal Oak Sushi House about 9:30 p.m. on Sunday and gunned down restaurant owner Andy Tran and his employee, Chinh (Vivian) Diem Huynh, a single mom of a young girl. On Tuesday evening Mitchell is suspected of going hunting again, shooting his former landlord in the 4400-block of Gilpin in Burnaby. The man survived the attack. RCMP Insp. Tim Shields issued an urgent warning Wednesday morning that Mitchell was armed and dangerous and possibly wanting to harm others. A tipster reported seeing his green 1994 van in Maple Ridge and police moved in and tried to talk to him. He shot at them instead and was fatally wounded. Sgt. Jennifer Pound, of the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team, said Friday that "forensic examination has now confirmed that the weapon seized from Mitchell [after he was killed in the shootout] was indeed the weapon used in the double homicide and also the one used in the attempted homicide of the Burnaby shooting victim." However, police have not established that gun is the same weapon returned to Mitchell earlier this year. Pound said no motive has yet been established for Mitchell's crimes. And she thanked all the policing agencies who worked so hard Wednesday when investigators were searching for Mitchell. "This operation was an effective collaboration between law enforcement and the general public in B.C.," she said. NDP health critic Mike Farnworth said Friday that the return of the gun was "just unacceptable." "The bottom line is this: if this arrest was made under the Mental Health Act, then clearly we need to know what happened, we need to know why he was released, why nothing else was done, but more importantly why was the firearm given back to him," he said. Farnworth demanded the government and police investigate "what protocols are in place" in gun-related mental health incidents, whether they were followed and "if they weren't, why not?" http://www.vancouver...l#ixzz2F3TbL7f2http://www.vancouversun.com/Victoria+police+seized+from+Burnaby+double+murder+suspect+Angus+Mitchell+later+returned/6717330/story.html#ixzz2F3TbL7f2' rel="external nofollow"> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 It's not gun laws. The reason this happens now is because how crazy media coverage is and even us talking about it here right now on the Internet is exactly what those shooters want. It's a sick and twisted attention grab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yup this wasn't such a common occurrence 10 years ago or before we had the Internet. It became more prevalent during the more recent age of communication. These killers are looking for national attention. They know you will visit their Facebook page after and it's exactly things like that they want. Which is why it's not a simple suicide but instead the added need for attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyville88 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 The reports are making it sound like something out of a movie. Doesn't seem real. The dead are gone for no reason, and the survivors have lost their innocence. Why? What's the point? It's sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobble Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 This is sick. How can any sane person argue that a civilian should own a gun like that, let alone buy it at Wal-Mart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yup this wasn't such a common occurrence 10 years ago or before we had the Internet. It became more prevalent during the more recent age of communication. These killers are looking for national attention. They know you will visit their Facebook page after and it's exactly things like that they want. Which is why it's not a simple suicide but instead the added need for attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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