Jump to content

Welcome to canucks.com Vancouver Canucks homepage

Photo

27 Dead in Connecticut Elementary School Shooting


  • Please log in to reply
842 replies to this topic

#91 Gran Turismo

Gran Turismo

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,209 posts
  • Joined: 15-April 09

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:16 PM

All the news stations have already put up that image everywhere.


What an unfortunate case of mistaken identity. Same name, same state.

And what an even more unfortunate tragedy. Condolences to parents and loved ones.
  • 0
Posted Image

#92 RAMBUTANS

RAMBUTANS

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,410 posts
  • Joined: 14-July 06

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:17 PM

Take guns of the streets! So many psycho out there.
  • 0
Mr. Reputable of the HFBoards

#93 ajhockey

ajhockey

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,432 posts
  • Joined: 16-July 10

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

Wow just hearing about this now. Absolutely disgusting. That is almost unthinkably horrible. I just don't know what to say. So sad, RIP to everyone who died. I'll pray for their families and affected.
  • 0

14ndb35.jpg
Credit to -Vintage Canuck- for the awesome sig!

"Gino, Gino, Gino, Gino!"
Rest In Peace, Rypien, Demitra, and Bourdon


#94 Hugemanskost

Hugemanskost

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,382 posts
  • Joined: 31-December 09

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

Actually over time the Second Amendment to the US Constitution has been interpreted differently by the Supreme Court of the USA. Here is the clause:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


Three basic competing models were offered to interpret the Second Amendment:
  • The first, known as the "states' rights" or "collective rights" model, was that the Second Amendment did not apply to individuals; rather, it recognized the right of a state to arm its militia.
  • The second, known as the "sophisticated collective rights model", held that the Second Amendment recognized some limited individual right. However, this individual right could only be exercised by members of a functioning, organized state militia while actively participating in the organized militia’s activities.
  • The third, known as the "standard model", was that the Second Amendment recognized the personal right of individuals to keep and bear arms.
Previously the first two interpretations were advanced but recent SCOTUS decisions have adopted the third individual rights view in District of Columbia v. Heller, (2008); and McDonald v. Chicago (2010).

In Heller and McDonald the U.S. Supreme Court supported the individual rights model, under which the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms much as the First Amendment protects the right to free speech. Under this model the militia is composed of members who supply their own arms and ammunition. This is generally recognized as the method by which U.S. militias have historically been armed.

The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.


Of the collective rights model that holds that the right to arms is based on militia membership, the U.S. Supreme Court, in Heller, had this to say:

A purposive qualifying phrase that contradicts the word or phrase it modifies is unknown this side of the looking glass (except, apparently, in some courses on Linguistics). If “bear arms” means, as we think, simply the carrying of arms, a modifier can limit the purpose of the carriage (“for the purpose of self-defense” or “to make war against the King”). But if “bear arms” means, as the petitioners and the dissent think, the carrying of arms only for military purposes, one simply cannot add “for the purpose of killing game.” The right “to carry arms in the militia for the purpose of killing game” is worthy of the mad hatter.


The Second Amendment may have been interpreted differently by the Supreme Court, but, it certainly isn't being enforced based on the Court's interpretation!
  • 0

webkit-fake-url://D8829558-F65F-49B9-9829-A7DFC7F2E6E4/application.pdf


:towel: :canucks:


#95 Jaku

Jaku

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,186 posts
  • Joined: 21-February 08

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

There's a special place in Hell for these kinds of people. Absolutely sickening.
  • 0
R.I.P- #37 Rick Rypien, #28 Luc Bourdon, #38 Pavol Demitra Forever Canucks.
Posted Image
Credit to Khalifawiz501 for the Sig.
Posted ImageColorado Avalanche GM in CDC STHS Sim League

#96 drdeath

drdeath

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,084 posts
  • Joined: 20-April 03

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:19 PM

What an unfortunate case of mistaken identity. Same name, same state.

And what an even more unfortunate tragedy. Condolences to parents and loved ones.

It's America. He's a couple of lawsuits away from being rich. Then he just needs to give that money to the victims' families and be a national hero.
  • 0

aXmDa9t.gif


#97 Bertuzzi Babe

Bertuzzi Babe

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,239 posts
  • Joined: 03-May 03

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:21 PM

Facebook and twitter. Two of the biggest reasons these things happen.


I sincerely hope you are referring to the fact that someone was misidentified on these two social networking sites and not that this mass murder at an elementary school had anything to do with the fact that Facebook and Twitter exist.

Because if you are, I do have something more to say to you. And it's not polite. It's not even semi-polite. Politeness has left the building.

Edited by Bertuzzi Babe, 14 December 2012 - 01:27 PM.

  • 1

"Sursumredditio" non usquam in hac mea loquantur!



Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem.....



#98 Intoewsables

Intoewsables

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,345 posts
  • Joined: 11-May 09

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:22 PM

Can't believe the media actually has the audacity to interview elementary school kids after something like this.
  • 2

#99 ajhockey

ajhockey

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,432 posts
  • Joined: 16-July 10

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:22 PM

Guillotine the other idiot, time to spread fear for those who would dare commit these atrocities.


Guillotine would be too swift.
  • 0

14ndb35.jpg
Credit to -Vintage Canuck- for the awesome sig!

"Gino, Gino, Gino, Gino!"
Rest In Peace, Rypien, Demitra, and Bourdon


#100 Sidney Crosby.

Sidney Crosby.

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,088 posts
  • Joined: 08-July 09

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

At what point do these shootings begin to change American gun possession laws? Terrible to see events happen again and again in the United States.
  • 0

Posted Image


#101 Bertuzzi Babe

Bertuzzi Babe

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,239 posts
  • Joined: 03-May 03

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

Absolutely disgusting.

Has the abomination of a human being been caught yet? I keep hearing different stories on that.


He's dead.

Can't believe the media actually has the audacity to interview elementary school kids after something like this.


Yeah, I'm a whole lot gob-smacked about that too. Gotta get that almighty quote, though. Ratings.........gotta get the scoop. It's disgusting. Back off already. There's no integrity in, or excuse for, going after kids for a soundbite on a day like this.

Edited by Bertuzzi Babe, 14 December 2012 - 01:28 PM.

  • 1

"Sursumredditio" non usquam in hac mea loquantur!



Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem.....



#102 Apricot

Apricot

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,632 posts
  • Joined: 14-January 07

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:29 PM

Just sickening, absolutely disgusting. These senseless deaths needs to end. You shouldn't have to fear sending your kids to school or going to a movie. My thoughts and prayers go out to all the victims and families in Connecticut.
  • 0

ahmet-maranki-kayisi-yagi.jpg

Previously known as CanucksRuleAll, CRA or Cantaloupe.



RIP RR, LB, PD. Forever in our hearts <3


#103 Cromeslab

Cromeslab

    Comets Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 841 posts
  • Joined: 16-August 10

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:31 PM

Sickened otherwise speechless
  • 0
Posted Image

"Where you've been is good and gone,all you can keep is the gettin there"Townes Van Zandt

#104 PlayStation

PlayStation

    XBox

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,281 posts
  • Joined: 12-April 08

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:33 PM

Wow that ****** shot his brother earlier somewhere else, then his mother who was a teacher, and then the children... What in the world:/

I have chills, I cant believe what has happend, and I feel so terrible for the families and community. RIP, and hope for the best for the families.
  • 0
Posted Image


"Real Men" :bigblush:

#105 AriGold

AriGold

    Hairy Old

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,053 posts
  • Joined: 09-June 12

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:35 PM

I just don't know what to say anymore..
  • 0

Posted Image


#106 etsen3

etsen3

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,580 posts
  • Joined: 02-July 10

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:40 PM

I honestly have no idea whether tougher gun laws would prevent something like this...obviously if the shooter wants to kill people he will try to kill people no matter what. There is still the possibility that he would be able to get a gun illegally, but it's less of a guarantee than going into the store and buying one. He may have used other weapons, but they may not be as effective or reliable as a gun. And of course the US not only has loose gun laws, but also a gun culture, which could have an effect on people. So it's hard to tell whether gun laws would help. But one thing that should be obvious is that the shooters in these situations are usually messed up individuals, and the most effective way to prevent them from committing these crimes is to address the root cause and solve their mental issues. I don't think mentally unstable people should be able to won guns, but that's only a partial solution. The real solution is to identify and help these people before it's too late. Gun control will help in some cases but they won't prevent these things completely.

Anyways this is such a horrific event. It's one thing to go shoot up an office building, but an elementary school, murdering dozens of little kids? WTF. I feel so sorry for the victims' families and the other surviving students. Many of them will be traumatized for life. RIP to the victims. So messed up in every way possible.If the shooter is still alive I hope they make his life miserable.
  • 0

#107 Special Ed

Special Ed

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,552 posts
  • Joined: 09-February 09

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:42 PM

I sincerely hope you are referring to the fact that someone was misidentified on these two social networking sites and not that this mass murder at an elementary school had anything to do with the fact that Facebook and Twitter exist.

Because if you are, I do have something more to say to you. And it's not polite. It's not even semi-polite. Politeness has left the building.


I have already outlined my thoughts on how the media - and mainly social media - provides the attention needed for these killers to do more than just kill themselves. They want people to visit those pages and link to other sites such as this. They want everyone to see it and know who they are. So yes, to me it has everything to do about Facebook, twitter and any media outlet who's primary story is the one we are discussing. Thats my opinion. Go ahead and not be polite to me. I'd love to see what you have on your mind.
  • 0

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


#108 Bertuzzi Babe

Bertuzzi Babe

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,239 posts
  • Joined: 03-May 03

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:42 PM

So messed up in every way possible.If the shooter is still alive I hope they make his life miserable.


The murderer is dead. Inside the school.
  • 0

"Sursumredditio" non usquam in hac mea loquantur!



Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem.....



#109 PlayStation

PlayStation

    XBox

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,281 posts
  • Joined: 12-April 08

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:43 PM

“@joncontino: Gun control isn't an issue, but gay marriage is. Yeah...we got our priorities straight.”

Could not agree more.

Is it time where schools will start locking doors during school hours?

Edited by PlayStation, 14 December 2012 - 01:46 PM.

  • 0
Posted Image


"Real Men" :bigblush:

#110 Bertuzzi Babe

Bertuzzi Babe

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,239 posts
  • Joined: 03-May 03

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:46 PM

I have already outlined my thoughts on how the media - and mainly social media - provides the attention needed for these killers to do more than just kill themselves. They want people to visit those pages and link to other sites such as this. They want everyone to see it and know who they are. So yes, to me it has everything to do about Facebook, twitter and any media outlet who's primary story is the one we are discussing. Thats my opinion. Go ahead and not be polite to me. I'd love to see what you have on your mind.


Thank you. I just wanted you to confirm, and put in black and white, the ridiculousness of this viewpoint. It speaks for itself. No more words need to be said.

And besides, the words I would have posted would not only have been impolite, they would probably have been grounds for a banning. Yep, let's go back to tin cans and string and handwritten notes to communicate with others....... :rolleyes:

And yeppers, those that turn guns on themselves after murdering innocent children and adults really are hanging around to see all the media blitz about their actions. Yup, uh huh..... jeez.

Edited by Bertuzzi Babe, 14 December 2012 - 01:50 PM.

  • 2

"Sursumredditio" non usquam in hac mea loquantur!



Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem.....



#111 Buddhas Hand

Buddhas Hand

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,210 posts
  • Joined: 19-December 11

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:46 PM

As a human being and a father to be , my heart goes out to the parents of the victims .

This is a parents worst nightmare .
  • 3

The Real war is not between the east and the west. The real war is between intelligent and stupid people.

Marjane Satrapi

tony-abbott-and-stephen-harper-custom-da

That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach.

Aldous Huxley.


#112 Lockout Casualty

Lockout Casualty

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,029 posts
  • Joined: 06-December 12

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

I have already outlined my thoughts on how the media - and mainly social media - provides the attention needed for these killers to do more than just kill themselves. They want people to visit those pages and link to other sites such as this. They want everyone to see it and know who they are. So yes, to me it has everything to do about Facebook, twitter and any media outlet who's primary story is the one we are discussing. Thats my opinion. Go ahead and not be polite to me. I'd love to see what you have on your mind.


Would you happen to have any supporting evidence for your opinion?

Edited by Lockout Casualty, 14 December 2012 - 01:48 PM.

  • 0
“Hi Nigel, just a quick note to say that I am always ready to do exactly what is asked but it would have been a great help to know in advance what the strategy was.”

- Carolyn Stewart Olsen, Conservative Senator.

#113 Electro Rock

Electro Rock

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,633 posts
  • Joined: 17-March 04

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:50 PM

I'll bet that most members of this forum are too young to remember what media coverage was like before the internet became popular.

Believe me, murders and tragic events of any kind were covered just as much as is the case today.
  • 1
"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

Norman Thomas

#114 Tearloch7

Tearloch7

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,805 posts
  • Joined: 15-July 10

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:50 PM

Shoveling snow while mourning brings clarity .. the fact this "person" went to where his Mother taught kindergarten, then shot her AND these children cries out that he was mentally ill and blamed these children for taking his Mother away from him .. he'll show her, by God .. so sad and senseless .. and not readily solved .. too many contributing factors .. RIP, innocent ones ..
  • 0

"To Thine Own Self Be True"

 

"Always tell the Truth. That way, you don’t have to remember what you said"  ~ Mark Twain ~
 


#115 rockin'ronny

rockin'ronny

    Comets Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 139 posts
  • Joined: 16-March 09

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

NY post is now saying that the shooter is not Ryan Lanza but rather his younger brother Adam.




*Not yet confirmed

Edited by rockin'ronny, 14 December 2012 - 02:08 PM.

  • 0

#116 Special Ed

Special Ed

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,552 posts
  • Joined: 09-February 09

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

Thank you. I just wanted you to confirm, and put in black and white, the ridiculousness of this viewpoint. It speaks for itself. No more words need to be said.

And besides, the words I would have posted would not only have been impolite, they would probably have been grounds for a banning. Yep, let's go back to tin cans and string and handwritten notes to communicate with others....... :rolleyes:

Yep, those that turn guns on themselves after murdering innocent children and adults really are hanging around to see all the media blitz about their actions. Yup, uh huh..... jeez.


Yawn... I just repeated what I had already said earlier. I don't see any reason to confirm anything. Looks like you're all bark and no bite. Shame not everyone has the same view point as you and could actually have the audacity to criticize your precious Facebook and twitter. Of which I'm already sure you spend too much time on and are completely biased in that regard.

Edited by Special Ed, 14 December 2012 - 01:52 PM.

  • 0

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


#117 Wetcoaster

Wetcoaster

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 40,454 posts
  • Joined: 26-April 04

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

The Second Amendment may have been interpreted differently by the Supreme Court, but, it certainly isn't being enforced based on the Court's interpretation!

Actually it is and when laws contravene that interpretation the NRA litigates.
  • 0
To err is human - but to really screw up you need a computer.

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it.

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Never try to teach a pig to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

#118 Buddhas Hand

Buddhas Hand

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,210 posts
  • Joined: 19-December 11

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:52 PM

I have already outlined my thoughts on how the media - and mainly social media - provides the attention needed for these killers to do more than just kill themselves. They want people to visit those pages and link to other sites such as this. They want everyone to see it and know who they are. So yes, to me it has everything to do about Facebook, twitter and any media outlet who's primary story is the one we are discussing. Thats my opinion. Go ahead and not be polite to me. I'd love to see what you have on your mind.


An incredibly horrific thing has happened Ed , and all you seem concerned with is jerking other cdc members strings .
  • 4

The Real war is not between the east and the west. The real war is between intelligent and stupid people.

Marjane Satrapi

tony-abbott-and-stephen-harper-custom-da

That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach.

Aldous Huxley.


#119 Tearloch7

Tearloch7

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,805 posts
  • Joined: 15-July 10

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:53 PM

Yawn... I just repeated what I had already said earlier. I don't see any reason to confirm anything. Looks like you're all bark and no bite. Shame not everyone has the same view point as you and could actually have the audacity to criticize your precious Facebook and twitter. Of which I'm already sure you spend too much time on and are completely biased in this argument.


Ed .. why not go for a walk with hopes your brain catches up with your mouth .. you are not acting very "special" at the moment ..
  • 1

"To Thine Own Self Be True"

 

"Always tell the Truth. That way, you don’t have to remember what you said"  ~ Mark Twain ~
 


#120 schlaBAM

schlaBAM

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,322 posts
  • Joined: 04-December 08

Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:55 PM

27 confirmed via CNN.


[Updated at 3:45 p.m. ET] There were a total of 27 people dead at the school, Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police said.

Six adults, 20 children and the shooter were killed. Eighteen students were pronounced dead at the scene, and two others died at the hospital, said Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police. The six adults died at the scene.


  • 0

Posted Image


XBL: canucks4lyfe





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Canucks.com is the official Web site of The Vancouver Canucks. The Vancouver Canucks and Canucks.com are trademarks of The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership.  NHL and the word mark and image of the Stanley Cup are registered trademarks and the NHL Shield and NHL Conference logos are trademarks of the National Hockey League. All NHL logos and marks and NHL team logos and marks as well as all other proprietary materials depicted herein are the property of the NHL and the respective NHL teams and may not be reproduced without the prior written consent of NHL Enterprises, L.P.  Copyright © 2009 The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership and the National Hockey League.  All Rights Reserved.