Jump to content

Welcome to canucks.com Vancouver Canucks homepage

Photo

Michigan passes bill allowing concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, stadiums, churches


  • Please log in to reply
521 replies to this topic

#91 Wetcoaster

Wetcoaster

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 40,454 posts
  • Joined: 26-April 04

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:24 AM

I understand why Americans feel the way they do about the second amendment, but that doesn't mean it makes sense, especially in the face of the experience of every other first world country.........What is it that Americans are so afraid of? You have 10 000+ gun deaths every year.......every year, we had, what, 83?

As I posted in the shooting thread.

Some country comparisons on gun deaths and gun ownership.

Lots of guns in Switzerland - No. 3 in the world per 100 pop.

UK
In the United Kingdom, annual deaths resulting from firearms total
2009: 1381
In the United Kingdom, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2009: 0.22
Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in the United Kingdom is 6.72 firearms per 100 people


Japan
In Japan, annual firearm homicides total
2008: 11
In Japan, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2008: 0.0
Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in Japan is 0.62 firearms per 100 people
Privately Owned Firearms - World Ranking
In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Japan ranked at No. 64
Privately Owned Firearms per 100 Population - World Ranking
In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, Japan ranked at No. 164


Canada
In Canada, annual firearm homicides total
2009: 173
Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
Canada, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2009: 0.5
Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in Canada is 23.82 firearms per 100 people
Privately Owned Firearms - World Ranking
In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Canada ranked at No. 12
Privately Owned Firearms per 100 Population - World Ranking
In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, Canada ranked at No. 13


Switzerland
In Switzerland, annual firearm homicides total
2010: 40
In Switzerland, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2010: 0.52
Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in Switzerland is 45.72 firearms per 100 people
Privately Owned Firearms - World Ranking
In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Switzerland ranked at No. 2
Privately Owned Firearms per 100 Population - World Ranking
In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, Switzerland ranked at No. 3


USA
In the United States, annual firearm homicides total
2009: 9,146
In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2009: 2.98
Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in the United States is 88.82 firearms per 100 people
Privately Owned Firearms - World Ranking
In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, the United States ranked at No. 1
Privately Owned Firearms per 100 Population - World Ranking
In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, the United States ranked at No. 1

To check out various country statistics see:
http://www.gunpolicy.org/

Edited by Wetcoaster, 16 December 2012 - 11:28 AM.

  • 0
To err is human - but to really screw up you need a computer.

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it.

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Never try to teach a pig to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

#92 Pouria

Pouria

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,933 posts
  • Joined: 25-October 08

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:24 AM

Dude what most Americans are afraid of...is the government, quite frankly...I'm not, mind you...but there are a lot who are...If you don't have a way to defend yourself, you no longer have the choice of whether or not to obey.


Here is a solution. Why don't they move if they are afraid of the government? If the government wants to kill you, that little gun won't protect you.

Edited by Pouria, 16 December 2012 - 11:25 AM.

  • 0

Posted Image


#93 Wetcoaster

Wetcoaster

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 40,454 posts
  • Joined: 26-April 04

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:26 AM

That was my personal view, they are free to disagree with it all they like.

You claim to be advancing solutions but if they are not possible in the US (which is what this thread is about), then your proposed solutions are irrelevant.
  • 0
To err is human - but to really screw up you need a computer.

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it.

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Never try to teach a pig to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

#94 Aleksandr Pistoletov

Aleksandr Pistoletov

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,040 posts
  • Joined: 07-April 03

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:26 AM

So are all Americans armed to the teeth? Do all American household contain guns? It seems families in other countries can protect themselves fine without guns but it is only in US that they need guns to protect themselves. And we wonder why these shootings keep happening? To protect themselves...lol!

Canada and other countries seem to be doing fine with strict gun control and having lower gun violence than US. You seem to make fun of all the suggestions and not come up with any solutions. What is your solution? Nothing? If you don't have any solutions than you shouldn't be surprised or heart broken when these shootings occur. In your mind, it is impossible to do anything and every solution is either hard to implement or expensive.

What does it matter if Americans aren't armed to the teeth? I wasn't, yet I get it just fine.

Bringing up other countries is utterly pointless and a purposeful detraction considering murder rates in general follow the same path.

You won't ever get to the bottom of the murder problem when you're too busy getting mad at guns and the second amendment.

You also won't ever get your answer to what solutions are when you blatantly ignore my responses giving them to you.
  • 0

"When Jonah's agent called him and said Quentin Tarantino wanted to put him in a spaghetti western [Django Unchained], Jonah was like, 'You had me at spaghetti.'"

 

"Aziz has been charming audiences and snakes for years. And I guess you’re here tonight because now that Kanye had a real baby he doesn’t need you anymore."

 

 -- Jeff Ross

 

 


#95 Aleksandr Pistoletov

Aleksandr Pistoletov

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,040 posts
  • Joined: 07-April 03

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:26 AM

It's called a discussion. If you weren't wanting to have one doesn't it seem stupid to even be here?

That's not part of a discussion I care to waste text on sorry. I can discuss other things just fine on the topic.

You claim to be advancing solutions but if they are not possible in the US (which is what this thread is about), then your proposed solutions are irrelevant.

Only to you.

Edited by zaibatsu, 16 December 2012 - 11:28 AM.

  • 0

"When Jonah's agent called him and said Quentin Tarantino wanted to put him in a spaghetti western [Django Unchained], Jonah was like, 'You had me at spaghetti.'"

 

"Aziz has been charming audiences and snakes for years. And I guess you’re here tonight because now that Kanye had a real baby he doesn’t need you anymore."

 

 -- Jeff Ross

 

 


#96 Scott Hartnell's Mane

Scott Hartnell's Mane

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,211 posts
  • Joined: 14-December 12

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:30 AM

that is so far beyond ridiculous it's sad. This guy didn't shoot up a government office, he shot up a room full of children. The guy in Colorado didn't shoot up a the governors office, he shot up a movie theatre. Americans are not afraid of their government, they're afraid of each other.


Ok first of all, bud...I wasn't talking about any of these recent incidents that have taken place, get me? I'm talking about the "pulse" of a good number of people in this country...do you not realize there are a group of idiot American conspiracy theorists who are CERTAIN that in March Barack Obama is going to sign the US's sovereignty over to the United Nations....getting rid of the guns altogether? People BELIEVE this nonsense. More Americans are paranoid of what they feel the government could do to them it's ridiculous...People here do, believe it or not, think that it is very plausible that Obama is a socialist, that he's a muslim, that he was born in kenya, that he's the anti-christ, and on and on and on...this level of intolerance CAUSES the American people...or a good number of them to be afraid of their government.

Edited by Munchie Marauder, 16 December 2012 - 11:35 AM.

  • 0
Posted Image

View PostScott Hartnell, on 11 June 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

#97 Scott Hartnell's Mane

Scott Hartnell's Mane

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,211 posts
  • Joined: 14-December 12

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:32 AM

Here is a solution. Why don't they move if they are afraid of the government? If the government wants to kill you, that little gun won't protect you.


Yeah...they are more afraid of what the government COULD do than what it WOULD do.
  • 0
Posted Image

View PostScott Hartnell, on 11 June 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

#98 stawns

stawns

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,873 posts
  • Joined: 10-August 03

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:33 AM

Ok first of all, bud...I wasn't talking about any of these recent incidents that have taken place, get me? I'm talking about the "pulse" of a good number of people in this country...do you not realize there are a group of idiot American conspiracy theorists who are CERTAIN that in March Barack Obama is going to sign the US's sovereignty over to the United Nations....getting rid of the guns altogether? People BELIEVE this nonsense. More Americans are paranoid of what they feel the government could do to them it's ridiculous...People here do, believe it or not, think that it is very plausible that Obama is a socialist, that he's a muslim, that he was born in kenya, that he's the anti-christ, and on and on and on...this level of intolerance CAUSES the American people...or a good number of them to be afraid of their government. You need to get a clue.


I need to get a clue? You just made my argument for me.......I'm now unsure of what side of the debate you're on here.

Edited by stawns, 16 December 2012 - 11:34 AM.

  • 0

#99 Scott Hartnell's Mane

Scott Hartnell's Mane

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,211 posts
  • Joined: 14-December 12

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:35 AM

I need to get a clue? You just made my argument for me.......I'm now unsure of what side of the debate you're on here.


I'm a bit baked and forgot who I was responding to, ignore the last part kindly please.
  • 0
Posted Image

View PostScott Hartnell, on 11 June 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

#100 Aleksandr Pistoletov

Aleksandr Pistoletov

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,040 posts
  • Joined: 07-April 03

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:37 AM

I'm a bit baked and forgot who I was responding to, ignore the last part kindly please.

First time in this topic I've literally lol'd.
  • 0

"When Jonah's agent called him and said Quentin Tarantino wanted to put him in a spaghetti western [Django Unchained], Jonah was like, 'You had me at spaghetti.'"

 

"Aziz has been charming audiences and snakes for years. And I guess you’re here tonight because now that Kanye had a real baby he doesn’t need you anymore."

 

 -- Jeff Ross

 

 


#101 Pouria

Pouria

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,933 posts
  • Joined: 25-October 08

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:37 AM

Yeah...they are more afraid of what the government COULD do than what it WOULD do.


Again, they can move to Canada or some other country in the world. US isn't the only country on this planet and isn't even necessarily the best country on this planet. I hated my government and moved to Canada. The Americans can't do that? If you lived in a hostile place and always lived in fear, wouldn't you move? Seems like the most logical thing to do.
  • 0

Posted Image


#102 Mr. White

Mr. White

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,554 posts
  • Joined: 22-May 12

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:38 AM

They did the exact opposite of what they should be doing!



'Murika
  • 0
Posted Image
^VanCauck93^

#103 Wetcoaster

Wetcoaster

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 40,454 posts
  • Joined: 26-April 04

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:38 AM

What does it matter if Americans aren't armed to the teeth? I wasn't, yet I get it just fine.

Bringing up other countries is utterly pointless and a purposeful detraction considering murder rates in general follow the same path.

You won't ever get to the bottom of the murder problem when you're too busy getting mad at guns and the second amendment.

You also won't ever get your answer to what solutions are when you blatantly ignore my responses giving them to you.

Bringing up other countries is only pointless if you have already made up your mind and do not want to be confused by facts and statistics. It seems your approach is never to let facts and statistics get in the way of a good rant.

The Harvard Injury Control Research Center assessed the literature on guns and homicide and found that there’s substantial evidence that indicates more guns means more murders. This holds true whether you’re looking at different countries or different states.
http://www.hsph.harv...eath/index.html

And proposing solutions that are clearly unworkable in the US and which have already been rejected as unconstitutional in a thread about gun control in the US is not helpful,eh?
  • 1
To err is human - but to really screw up you need a computer.

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it.

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Never try to teach a pig to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

#104 Wetcoaster

Wetcoaster

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 40,454 posts
  • Joined: 26-April 04

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:41 AM

Only to you.

You are in error.

In what alternate universe is a solution that you propose that has already been rejected in the US as unconstitutional in any way, shape or form relevant to a discussion about proposed solutions to an epidemic of firearm homicides in the US?
  • 0
To err is human - but to really screw up you need a computer.

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it.

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Never try to teach a pig to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

#105 stawns

stawns

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,873 posts
  • Joined: 10-August 03

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:41 AM

I'm a bit baked and forgot who I was responding to, ignore the last part kindly please.


haha, great place for a brain break! Kudos
  • 1

#106 Aleksandr Pistoletov

Aleksandr Pistoletov

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,040 posts
  • Joined: 07-April 03

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:42 AM

Bringing up other countries is only pointless if you have already made up your mind and do not want to be confused by facts and statistics. It seems your approach is never to let facts and statistics get in the way of a good rant.

The Harvard Injury Control Research Center assessed the literature on guns and homicide and found that there’s substantial evidence that indicates more guns means more murders. This holds true whether you’re looking at different countries or different states.
http://www.hsph.harv...eath/index.html

And proposing solutions that are clearly unworkable in the US and which have already been rejected as unconstitutional in a thread about gun control in the US is not helpful,eh?

Actually other countries don't matter because the thought process behind constitutional law, role of government, the use of guns, and of course the issue of mental health and why such an incidence of murder (whether it be with guns or with anything else) differs. Also because they don't amend the US constitution, there's no better proof it's pointless.

As I've said already, the excessively superficial and elementary concept of more guns = more murders with guns is cute but not something that will provide a solution in the real world.
  • 0

"When Jonah's agent called him and said Quentin Tarantino wanted to put him in a spaghetti western [Django Unchained], Jonah was like, 'You had me at spaghetti.'"

 

"Aziz has been charming audiences and snakes for years. And I guess you’re here tonight because now that Kanye had a real baby he doesn’t need you anymore."

 

 -- Jeff Ross

 

 


#107 Scott Hartnell's Mane

Scott Hartnell's Mane

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,211 posts
  • Joined: 14-December 12

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:42 AM

Again, they can move to Canada or some other country in the world. US isn't the only country on this planet and isn't even necessarily the best country on this planet. I hated my government and moved to Canada. The Americans can't do that? If you lived in a hostile place and always lived in fear, wouldn't you move? Seems like the most logical thing to do.


You forget how difficult it is for Americans to adapt to any kind of change in their lives...the sad reality is, most of this country is fairly complacent, and they've entrenched themselves pretty firmly, some to the point of mulish stubbornness...most of the people that live near me kind of just lie there and take whatever the government dishes out, even if they are getting violated over and over again by increases in taxes, or the questionable new healthcare system, so I don't think they would move even if they had the opportunity to do so...
  • 0
Posted Image

View PostScott Hartnell, on 11 June 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

#108 Wetcoaster

Wetcoaster

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 40,454 posts
  • Joined: 26-April 04

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:45 AM

Ok first of all, bud...I wasn't talking about any of these recent incidents that have taken place, get me? I'm talking about the "pulse" of a good number of people in this country...do you not realize there are a group of idiot American conspiracy theorists who are CERTAIN that in March Barack Obama is going to sign the US's sovereignty over to the United Nations....getting rid of the guns altogether? People BELIEVE this nonsense. More Americans are paranoid of what they feel the government could do to them it's ridiculous...People here do, believe it or not, think that it is very plausible that Obama is a socialist, that he's a muslim, that he was born in kenya, that he's the anti-christ, and on and on and on...this level of intolerance CAUSES the American people...or a good number of them to be afraid of their government.

I blame the "conservative entertainment complex" (© David Frum) for lying to and misleading the gullible and woefully ignorant conservatives in the US.
http://tv.msnbc.com/...inment-complex/
  • 0
To err is human - but to really screw up you need a computer.

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it.

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Never try to teach a pig to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

#109 Pouria

Pouria

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,933 posts
  • Joined: 25-October 08

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:45 AM

What does it matter if Americans aren't armed to the teeth? I wasn't, yet I get it just fine.

Bringing up other countries is utterly pointless and a purposeful detraction considering murder rates in general follow the same path.

You won't ever get to the bottom of the murder problem when you're too busy getting mad at guns and the second amendment.

You also won't ever get your answer to what solutions are when you blatantly ignore my responses giving them to you.


Bringing up other countries just shows how awful US is with their gun control and lack of any control on gun violence. What makes America so special compared to other countries? Their gun culture and the second amendment is really getting in the way of putting in some type of gun control to curb or minimize these incidents. And your solution is to train people how to use guns? Just putting up gun training classes won't solve the problem. In fact the psychos might get even more skilled in shooting up schools and the number of students getting killed would be in triple digits instead of double digits.
  • 0

Posted Image


#110 stawns

stawns

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,873 posts
  • Joined: 10-August 03

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:46 AM

You forget how difficult it is for Americans to adapt to any kind of change in their lives...the sad reality is, most of this country is fairly complacent, and they've entrenched themselves pretty firmly, some to the point of mulish stubbornness...most of the people that live near me kind of just lie there and take whatever the government dishes out, even if they are getting violated over and over again by increases in taxes, or the questionable new healthcare system, so I don't think they would move even if they had the opportunity to do so...


if you listen closely, you can here George Washington fiddling in the background.
  • 0

#111 Scott Hartnell's Mane

Scott Hartnell's Mane

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,211 posts
  • Joined: 14-December 12

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:48 AM

if you listen closely, you can here George Washington fiddling in the background.


Dude, didn't Washington play the zither?
  • 0
Posted Image

View PostScott Hartnell, on 11 June 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

#112 Aleksandr Pistoletov

Aleksandr Pistoletov

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,040 posts
  • Joined: 07-April 03

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:48 AM

You are in error.

In what alternate universe is a solution that you propose that has already been rejected in the US as unconstitutional in any way, shape or form relevant to a discussion about proposed solutions to an epidemic of firearm homicides in the US?

More rules on permits and regulating registration is relevant and respects the inalienability of the second amendment. Your proposition of pointing out other countries' rates and laws as if it's some mystery that the US has a problem is irrelevant because those countries do not make US law it simply doesn't matter. Time to move on there, guy.
  • 0

"When Jonah's agent called him and said Quentin Tarantino wanted to put him in a spaghetti western [Django Unchained], Jonah was like, 'You had me at spaghetti.'"

 

"Aziz has been charming audiences and snakes for years. And I guess you’re here tonight because now that Kanye had a real baby he doesn’t need you anymore."

 

 -- Jeff Ross

 

 


#113 Pouria

Pouria

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,933 posts
  • Joined: 25-October 08

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:48 AM

You forget how difficult it is for Americans to adapt to any kind of change in their lives...the sad reality is, most of this country is fairly complacent, and they've entrenched themselves pretty firmly, some to the point of mulish stubbornness...most of the people that live near me kind of just lie there and take whatever the government dishes out, even if they are getting violated over and over again by increases in taxes, or the questionable new healthcare system, so I don't think they would move even if they had the opportunity to do so...


Well then, the people is to blame if that is the case. If they don't want to move, that is their choice and they are choosing to live in fear.
  • 0

Posted Image


#114 Wetcoaster

Wetcoaster

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 40,454 posts
  • Joined: 26-April 04

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:52 AM

More rules on permits and regulating registration is relevant and respects the inalienability of the second amendment. Your proposition of pointing out other countries' rates and laws as if it's some mystery that the US has a problem is irrelevant because those countries do not make US law it simply doesn't matter. Time to move on there, guy.

Your posts are inherently self-contradictory.
  • 0
To err is human - but to really screw up you need a computer.

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it.

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Never try to teach a pig to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

#115 Aleksandr Pistoletov

Aleksandr Pistoletov

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,040 posts
  • Joined: 07-April 03

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:52 AM

Bringing up other countries just shows how awful US is with their gun control and lack of any control on gun violence. What makes America so special compared to other countries? Their gun culture and the second amendment is really getting in the way of putting in some type of gun control to curb or minimize these incidents. And your solution is to train people how to use guns? Just putting up gun training classes won't solve the problem. In fact the psychos might get even more skilled in shooting up schools and the number of students getting killed would be in triple digits instead of double digits.

Controlling a gun, as in, attacking the gun, isn't going to affect murder rates because it doesn't address the problem as to what compels an American to murder someone. Unless your insinuation is a gun compels someone to murder another person, you're barking up the wrong tree.. again.

Your posts are inherently self-contradictory.

Thanks for your opinion.

Edited by zaibatsu, 16 December 2012 - 11:53 AM.

  • 0

"When Jonah's agent called him and said Quentin Tarantino wanted to put him in a spaghetti western [Django Unchained], Jonah was like, 'You had me at spaghetti.'"

 

"Aziz has been charming audiences and snakes for years. And I guess you’re here tonight because now that Kanye had a real baby he doesn’t need you anymore."

 

 -- Jeff Ross

 

 


#116 Pouria

Pouria

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,933 posts
  • Joined: 25-October 08

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:54 AM

More rules on permits and regulating registration is relevant and respects the inalienability of the second amendment. Your proposition of pointing out other countries' rates and laws as if it's some mystery that the US has a problem is irrelevant because those countries do not make US law it simply doesn't matter. Time to move on there, guy.


Those countries can be used as models to implement US laws. I think the main problem here is that Americans and their government are so self-centered that they can't possibly follow other countries in any aspect because they like to live in their own little universe.
  • 0

Posted Image


#117 Aleksandr Pistoletov

Aleksandr Pistoletov

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,040 posts
  • Joined: 07-April 03

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:57 AM

Those countries can be used as models to implement US laws. I think the main problem here is that Americans and their government are so self-centered that they can't possibly follow other countries in any aspect because they like to live in their own little universe.

There is already a model -- it's called the US Constitution.

There are also treaties that are full force of the law that do respect international views, but other countries do not make US law, and respect should be given to US sovereignty to make it's own laws first and foremost.

Edited by zaibatsu, 16 December 2012 - 11:57 AM.

  • 0

"When Jonah's agent called him and said Quentin Tarantino wanted to put him in a spaghetti western [Django Unchained], Jonah was like, 'You had me at spaghetti.'"

 

"Aziz has been charming audiences and snakes for years. And I guess you’re here tonight because now that Kanye had a real baby he doesn’t need you anymore."

 

 -- Jeff Ross

 

 


#118 Wetcoaster

Wetcoaster

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 40,454 posts
  • Joined: 26-April 04

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:58 AM

Thanks for your opinion.

You are welcome.

And as usual it is an informed opinion.
  • 0
To err is human - but to really screw up you need a computer.

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it.

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Never try to teach a pig to sing - it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

#119 Scott Hartnell's Mane

Scott Hartnell's Mane

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,211 posts
  • Joined: 14-December 12

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:58 AM

Well then, the people is to blame if that is the case. If they don't want to move, that is their choice and they are choosing to live in fear.


And thus are choosing to fight to retain the right to defend themselves. They don't want to move out of their homes, so they will naturally balk at any form of government infringement on their rights. If you don't live here, you cannot possibly understand.
  • 0
Posted Image

View PostScott Hartnell, on 11 June 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

#120 stawns

stawns

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,873 posts
  • Joined: 10-August 03

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:59 AM

Controlling a gun, as in, attacking the gun, isn't going to affect murder rates because it doesn't address the problem as to what compels an American to murder someone. Unless your insinuation is a gun compels someone to murder another person, you're barking up the wrong tree.. again.


Thanks for your opinion.


I think most people here agree with the first part of this post..........the issue of mental health in the US, and Canada for that matter, is a sad state of affairs. Nonetheless, the culture of guns in the US multiplies the problem exponentially.
  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Canucks.com is the official Web site of The Vancouver Canucks. The Vancouver Canucks and Canucks.com are trademarks of The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership.  NHL and the word mark and image of the Stanley Cup are registered trademarks and the NHL Shield and NHL Conference logos are trademarks of the National Hockey League. All NHL logos and marks and NHL team logos and marks as well as all other proprietary materials depicted herein are the property of the NHL and the respective NHL teams and may not be reproduced without the prior written consent of NHL Enterprises, L.P.  Copyright © 2009 The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership and the National Hockey League.  All Rights Reserved.