key2thecup Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Japan scrambles jets in dispute with China over islands BEIJING -- Japan scrambled F-15 fighter jets Thursday in response to a Chinese surveillance plane that flew over contested islands in the East China Sea, ratcheting up a dispute that is becoming increasingly worrisome to the international community. By the time the fighters from Okinawa reached the area, the plane belonging to the Chinese Oceanic Administration had flown away and the incident ended without a confrontation. Nonetheless, it set nerves on edge around the region. Japan's Defense Ministry said it was the first time a Chinese plane had intruded into airspace the Japanese have claimed since at least 1958, although Chinese vessels have frequently been darting into the waters near the islands, known as Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese. Chief Cabinet secretary Osamu Fujimura said Japan had lodged an official protest and summoned the Chinese ambassador in Tokyo. "It is extremely deplorable that China's official airplane conducted an airspace invasion of Japan’s territory today, on top of their intrusion of territorial waters," he said in a statement. The sparring over the uninhabited islands in recent months has become increasingly alarming, with nationalistic fervor rising in the midst of political transitions in both countries. The Chinese Communist Party’s new general secretary, Xi Jinping, installed just a month ago, has been trying to prove himself a staunch defender of Chinese sovereignty. In campaigning ahead of Japan’s general election on Sunday, opposition leader and former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has been talking tough about China in hopes of getting his old job back. He has called for an amendment to Japan’s pacifist constitution that would expand the nation's Self-Defense Forces. "Nationalism is a tool that many Asian leaders have abused for their political purposes," warned Lee Chung-min, a professor of international relations at Yonsei University in Seoul, speaking this week a security conference in the South Korean capital. For their part, Chinese officials defended what they said was their right to fly the surveillance plane into the area. "I want to stress that these activities are completely normal. The Diaoyu and its affiliated islands are China's inherent territory since ancient times," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said in Beijing. The Chinese plane was reported by Tokyo to have flown nine miles south of the largest island in the chain, Uotsuri Jima. The Japanese Defense Ministry said there had only been two other violations of the country's airspace since it began keeping records in 1958, one by a Soviet plane and another from Taiwan. An intrusion by an airplane is potentially far more dangerous than one by a ship because international law gives a country the right to expel an unauthorized aircraft by force. Also, the incident occurred on a sensitive date on the Chinese calendar, marking the 75th anniversary of the start of a massacre by Japanese troops who had occupied the Chinese city of Nanjing in the lead-up to World War II. Memorial services were being held Thursday in the city, previously known as Nanking, for hundreds of thousands of victims of the massacre. http://www.latimes.c...0,5573744.story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobble Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Ramping up just on schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 anymilitary action used between the two countries will not resolve in any peaceful resolution.......diplomacy and negotiations is the best solution.......this could get ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHawkSniper Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Tomorrow Never Dies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suvets29 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai604 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 I guess the bad blood can never truly be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Bruce Lee did it better, but you get the idea.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasific Coluseum Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Without the U.S aid Japan would be toast against any Chinese provocation. Japan's saving grace is US as its ally! That include S.Korea. Without their reliance on US protection S Korea & Japan would be under Chinese occupation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Without the U.S aid Japan would be toast against any Chinese provocation. Japan's saving grace is US as its ally! That include S.Korea. Without their reliance on US protection S Korea & Japan would be under Chinese occupation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
key2thecup Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 There needs to be a North Pacific Treaty Organization. (Philippines, Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, Burma, India and even Taiwan welcome!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Google (sino Japanese war) and you know why , China will not back down, even if USA decides to help Japan, which is suicide for USA. There is no way in hell, China is going to yield one mm of land to the Japanese, based on how Japan treated Japan in China during that time. No bloody way. China is ready to go war. 70 years later, is a different story. China has been ridiculed, humilated and embarrased by Japan during the 2 sino Japanese war. It's pretty much. "there no f in way you guys are taking those islands" I totally understand Japan's stance on this too. But looking in the Chinese point of view, there's no f in way they will back down this time. USA can help Japan if they want, but USA cannot afford a conflict with China. But in the end, I know both countries don't want war. China is really just flexing it's muscle, and won't go to war to Japan. It's really sad, 2 great countries, might to to war. But they wont. Japan is a very strong country too, if both countries go to war, it will be very costly for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasific Coluseum Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Google (sino Japanese war) and you know why , China will not back down, even if USA decides to help Japan, which is suicide for USA. There is no way in hell, China is going to yield one mm of land to the Japanese, based on how Japan treated Japan in China during that time. No bloody way. China is ready to go war. 70 years later, is a different story. China has been ridiculed, humilated and embarrased by Japan during the 2 sino Japanese war. It's pretty much. "there no f in way you guys are taking those islands" Japan is a very strong country too, if both countries go to war, it will be very costly for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
î мцšт вяздк чфµ Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 there's only one way to settle this for them... SPELLING BEE CONTEST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Light Racicot Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Still a lot of bitter feeings about WW2 no doubt. Unimaginable atrocities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostViking Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Google (sino Japanese war) and you know why , China will not back down, even if USA decides to help Japan, which is suicide for USA. There is no way in hell, China is going to yield one mm of land to the Japanese, based on how Japan treated Japan in China during that time. No bloody way. China is ready to go war. 70 years later, is a different story. China has been ridiculed, humilated and embarrased by Japan during the 2 sino Japanese war. It's pretty much. "there no f in way you guys are taking those islands" I totally understand Japan's stance on this too. But looking in the Chinese point of view, there's no f in way they will back down this time. USA can help Japan if they want, but USA cannot afford a conflict with China. But in the end, I know both countries don't want war. China is really just flexing it's muscle, and won't go to war to Japan. It's really sad, 2 great countries, might to to war. But they wont. Japan is a very strong country too, if both countries go to war, it will be very costly for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axy140 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 That would be one way for the less powerful southeast asian states to counter China's growing influence. Japan and S.K should be apart of that. India, Im sure would love to be a part of that although I would doubt they would join as to not upset China-India relations since they already have their own domestic problems with China. China-India border dispute, Pakistan-India border dispute which the Chinese favor Pakistan in both relations and economic aid as well as weaponry and covert ops. Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, Burma & Taiwan pact. VS China, North Korea pact. Although Im not very knowledged on how relations are between these countries and past history to even make this possible. Another factor is the "US Pivot" strategy that's now in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Chinas power is overrated IMO. Superior numbers alone have proven time and time again to not be a deciding factor in battles or wars. The people's determination, moral, supply, equipment and strategy are all key factors which can turn a battle regardless of superior numbers. If anything goes down I place my bet on the Japanese all day long. They have proven to be ferocious opponents and I dont buy into the hype that china is a superpower. It's all fictitious talk mainly based on population density. China has outnumbered Japan many times through history and failed miserably. I see nothing that would change that now, not even with their recent technological advancements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Without the U.S aid Japan would be toast against any Chinese provocation. Japan's saving grace is US as its ally! That include S.Korea. Without their reliance on US protection S Korea & Japan would be under Chinese occupation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SN- Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Japan is not a very strong country MILITARILY. They'd be called China if not for American's bases stationed in Okinawa. Without USA to help them China would invade in less than a day. Have you seen the Japanese military? It's worse than Canada's Just to thoroughly counter this: Canadian Forces Active personnel: 70,000 Reserve personnel: 45,000 Navy 12 Halifax Class frigates (multi-purpose) 3 Iroquois Class destroyers (air defense) 4 Victoria Class submarines Army 150 artillery pieces 2700 armoured vehicles (LAV's and APC's mostly) 200 MBT's Air Force 391 aircraft 100 CF-18s Various multi-purpose helicopters, transport aircraft Japanese Self-Defense Forces Active personnel: 250,000 Reserve personnel: 60,000 Navy 4 helicopter destroyers (anti-submarine) 8 guided missile destroyers (6 AEGIS) 30 various frigates 16 various submarines Army 1000 artillery pieces (500 self-propelled) 3000 armoured vehicles (LAV's, APC's) 900 MBT's Massive SAM, ATGM, ASM missile arsenal Air Force 805 aircraft 100 F-2s (F-16's) 200 F-15's 100 F-4's Various transports, helicopters The Japanese military is incredibly well-trained, capable, and geared entirely for defense. The Canadian military looks pathetic next to it. Without help they could hold off a Chinese attack. With help from allies they'd swat China away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Japan is not a very strong country MILITARILY. They'd be called China if not for American's bases stationed in Okinawa. Without USA to help them China would invade in less than a day. Have you seen the Japanese military? It's worse than Canada's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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