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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:19 PM

Reilly ahead of Yakupov :lol:
Ryan Murray 26th :lol:
Subban 9 spots ahead of Vasilevski :lol:

Yeah... so this list is terrible.


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Posted 17 December 2012 - 12:53 AM

6 of the top 10 prospects on this list are from Canadian teams.

That's about all you need to know about the thought that went into this.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:14 AM

Shultz is a beast.... but honestly..... we don't deserve to have anyone on the top 30. It's quite sad. Even hockeys future, rated our prospects one of the lowest of the 30 nhl teams.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:27 AM

Shultz is a beast.... but honestly..... we don't deserve to have anyone on the top 30. It's quite sad. Even hockeys future, rated our prospects one of the lowest of the 30 nhl teams.


Jensen is good enough to be on that list.

Unfortunately some "analysts" can't seem comprehend the idea that performing in the SEL is alot more significant than performing in the OHL or in college hockey. Playing against men vs. playing against boys.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:40 AM

Craig Button had the Canucks drafting up to pick Subban at last years draft.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:42 AM

Craig Button is a moron. I agree, how this guy has a job doesn't make sense to me. Same guy that gave Turek a huge raise for absolutely no reason at all 21 games into the season. I think Turek had won about 18 of them to that point and then went on to win 5 or 6 the rest of year.

So many bad picks, and I like Baertschi but he's obviously pulling out some Flames homerism on that one.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:20 AM

No homer Rielly is dope.

Not that dope.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:33 AM

Craig Button is a moron. I agree, how this guy has a job doesn't make sense to me. Same guy that gave Turek a huge raise for absolutely no reason at all 21 games into the season. I think Turek had won about 18 of them to that point and then went on to win 5 or 6 the rest of year.

So many bad picks, and I like Baertschi but he's obviously pulling out some Flames homerism on that one.


Actually Hockeysfuture.com did a preseason prospect ranking and Baertschi came in at 9th, so he's not really out to lunch on that one. Also interesting that no Canuck prospects made it in to their top 50. So despite Button being an idiot, (which he is) he really isn't showing any anti-canuck bias. The canucks cupboards are pretty bare when it comes to top shelf prospects. On the other hand Im sure Schneider would have been pretty high on the list last year
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:37 AM

Brett Ritchie in the top 30 is just hilariously awful

Might be stretch in the top 30, but here's a 6'4 220 power forward with speed and grit that's scoring almost PPG in the ohl. Granted he's playing with arguably the league's best in Strome, can't put him down just because you've never heard of him prior to the WJC
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Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:43 AM

Might be stretch in the top 30, but here's a 6'4 220 power forward with speed and grit that's scoring almost PPG in the ohl. Granted he's playing with arguably the league's best in Strome, can't put him down just because you've never heard of him prior to the WJC

How do you feel about your position on the list Sven?
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:46 AM

Might be stretch in the top 30, but here's a 6'4 220 power forward with speed and grit that's scoring almost PPG in the ohl. Granted he's playing with arguably the league's best in Strome, can't put him down just because you've never heard of him prior to the WJC

I've definetly heard of him before. IMO I just don't think he's a top 30 prospect. Top 40 at best.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:32 PM

I guess we're gonna have to watch the WJC's to find out boys!
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

Where's Dumba? Button LOVED Dumba, proclaiming him the next Chelios, and now he's not on the guy's top 30 list?

And Jensen should be on this list...
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:36 PM

Kuznetsov and Tarasenko are going to be great players. I'd move Grigorenko and Huberdeau higher up on the list.

Can't wait to see the Oilers with Nail and Schultz added to the team. It's going to be exciting hockey. I'm most excited to watch the Oil more than any other team.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:45 PM

No homer Rielly is dope.


He gets points, but he's been a turnover machine in every single game that I watched him. Needs to develop his defensive game a lot before he can be an effective NHLer.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:18 PM

Kuznetsov and Tarasenko are going to be great players. I'd move Grigorenko and Huberdeau higher up on the list.

Can't wait to see the Oilers with Nail and Schultz added to the team. It's going to be exciting hockey. I'm most excited to watch the Oil more than any other team.


We coulda had Kuznetsov.

Gillis hasn't drafted a single Russian in his time here. Something tells me he's had bad experiences with Russians as an agent.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:39 PM

Schultz plays with half the Coils NHLteam in OKC, besides its Craig Button who wrote the artical. No love for the Canucks from him ever. Ex Flames management guy should tell you something right there.

I don't know if it has to do with a lack of love. Button's list isn't the greatest, but the Canucks also don't have a prospect that is in the top 30 in the league.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:11 PM

We coulda had Kuznetsov.

Gillis hasn't drafted a single Russian in his time here. Something tells me he's had bad experiences with Russians as an agent.

That's about as bold as it gets, lol.

Kutznetsov didnt make the transition to Washington even when Ovie and Semin were there
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Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:32 PM

We coulda had Kuznetsov.

Gillis hasn't drafted a single Russian in his time here. Something tells me he's had bad experiences with Russians as an agent.

If we had a 1st that year we could've drafted either Quinton Howden or Kuznetsov

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:56 PM

I don't know if it has to do with a lack of love. Button's list isn't the greatest, but the Canucks also don't have a prospect that is in the top 30 in the league.


That's fine with me.
I'll be happy to 'settle' for the next Burrows (undrafted), Hansen (9th round), Edler (91st overall), Bieksa (5th round).

You'd think that people might see/think beyond the projected star gazing by now.

Shall we run a comparable for Detroit? Zetteburg 210th, Datsyuk 171st...etc.
I'm just as concerned that the Canucks don't have Detroit's 121st overall pick in 2008, Gustav Nyqvist, as I am that they don't have any of Button's top 30...

Then again, I'm happy to settle for bumbs like the undrafted Tanev, or Jensen (who'd I take over a lot of guys on that list), or another undrafted disappointment like Edde Lack, or that 5th round plug Corrado.
Gaunce, Connauton, Kassian and Schroeder are also unworthy or our attention.

Gazes at top 30... Hits - panic - button - now.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:57 AM

But Burkie told everyone in Toronto Reilly should have been the number 1 overall pick... :rolleyes: :towel: :rolleyes:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That was actually really funny.



As for the list, it's brutal.

Ritchie over Granlund & Rielly over Yakupov just speaks to the legitimacy of this list, not any at all.


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:59 AM

That's fine with me.
I'll be happy to 'settle' for the next Burrows (undrafted), Hansen (9th round), Edler (91st overall), Bieksa (5th round).

You'd think that people might see/think beyond the projected star gazing by now.

Shall we run a comparable for Detroit? Zetteburg 210th, Datsyuk 171st...etc.
I'm just as concerned that the Canucks don't have Detroit's 121st overall pick in 2008, Gustav Nyqvist, as I am that they don't have any of Button's top 30...

Then again, I'm happy to settle for bumbs like the undrafted Tanev, or Jensen (who'd I take over a lot of guys on that list), or another undrafted disappointment like Edde Lack, or that 5th round plug Corrado.
Gaunce, Connauton, Kassian and Schroeder are also unworthy or our attention.

Gazes at top 30... Hits - panic - button - now.

I guess, but the fact that the Canucks haven't really been that great in terms of drafting/development post-lockout says otherwise. Only 3 players that the Canucks have drafted post-lockout have played more than 40 games in the league (Raymond, Hodgson, Grabner), and only one of them is actually on the Canucks. I know people rip on Brian Burke, but he was better than Mike Gillis when it came to drafting and developing prospects. What worries me is the drafting over the past 7 years. Before that, it was actually quite good. Nobody is hitting the panic button right now, but they might in a few years if this keeps up.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:21 PM

I guess, but the fact that the Canucks haven't really been that great in terms of drafting/development post-lockout says otherwise. Only 3 players that the Canucks have drafted post-lockout have played more than 40 games in the league (Raymond, Hodgson, Grabner), and only one of them is actually on the Canucks. I know people rip on Brian Burke, but he was better than Mike Gillis when it came to drafting and developing prospects. What worries me is the drafting over the past 7 years. Before that, it was actually quite good. Nobody is hitting the panic button right now, but they might in a few years if this keeps up.


I'm not one of the people who rip on Burke - I like what he did in Vancouver - but to compare his drafting to Gillis' has too obvious problems - first, Burke drafted much higher (the Sedins were 2nd and 3rd overall) whereas Gillis is attempting to find gems in the 29 spot... The second rather obvious problem is that Gillis first picks are just coming to the point where their development can start to be assessed.
I have no problem whatever with Gillis' drafting. Of course in hindsight I would have preferred Tyler Myers or Eberle over Hodgson, but not many people consider him a bad pick (his rookie season was quite good, politics and controversy aside) - even in hindsight if you look at 2009, Schroeder was a good pick despite people's doubts (look at the players drafted after him) - and since that point, there isn't time to tell - but I love both the Jensen and Gaunce decisions.
I think like most criticisms of Vancouver, the idea that Gillis has drafted poorly is very overdone.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:28 PM

6 of the top 10 prospects on this list are from Canadian teams.

That's about all you need to know about the thought that went into this.


0 out of the 30 prospects on this list are from the Vancouver Canucks.

That's about all you need to know as to why so many on Canucks.com think that it's so horribly written.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:37 PM

Jensen is good enough to be on that list.

Unfortunately some "analysts" can't seem comprehend the idea that performing in the SEL is alot more significant than performing in the OHL or in college hockey. Playing against men vs. playing against boys.


Interesting comments coming from the guy who's not at all sold on Schultz because "it's half a year in the freaking AHL".

One thing that concerns me about Jensen is that he did not improve, year-over-year, in the OHL from when he was drafted to last year. He ended off 2011 on a very high note, putting up huge numbers in the playoffs. Then he followed that up with a season where his numbers didn't improve, and he had a very ho-hum playoffs. You'd think that with an extra year of maturity/growth, he'd have been able to be that much more dominant. Nope. Red flag, IMO.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:39 PM

We coulda had Kuznetsov.

Gillis hasn't drafted a single Russian in his time here. Something tells me he's had bad experiences with Russians as an agent.


And WHL players, too.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 06:52 PM

Interesting comments coming from the guy who's not at all sold on Schultz because "it's half a year in the freaking AHL".

One thing that concerns me about Jensen is that he did not improve, year-over-year, in the OHL from when he was drafted to last year. He ended off 2011 on a very high note, putting up huge numbers in the playoffs. Then he followed that up with a season where his numbers didn't improve, and he had a very ho-hum playoffs. You'd think that with an extra year of maturity/growth, he'd have been able to be that much more dominant. Nope. Red flag, IMO.

The SEL is the third best league in the world, and Jensen is a top goal scorer there as a 19 year old. 19 not 22. Not to mention he's on one of the worst teams in the league.

Comparing forwards and D isn't really that easy. A defenseman needs to develop so many more aspects of their game to make it in the NHL. That's why I'm not sold on Schultz yet.

What Jensen did in the OHL has been trumped by what he has done in the SEL. Once a player shows he can play in the higher leagues, junior numbers mean nothing.

He's one of those players who seems to perform consistently no matter what league he's in.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:34 PM

0 out of the 30 prospects on this list are from the Vancouver Canucks.

That's about all you need to know as to why so many on Canucks.com think that it's so horribly written.


It's not that it's horribly written, it's more a matter of who cares?
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:06 PM

The SEL is the third best league in the world, and Jensen is a top goal scorer there as a 19 year old. 19 not 22. Not to mention he's on one of the worst teams in the league.

Comparing forwards and D isn't really that easy. A defenseman needs to develop so many more aspects of their game to make it in the NHL. That's why I'm not sold on Schultz yet.

What Jensen did in the OHL has been trumped by what he has done in the SEL. Once a player shows he can play in the higher leagues, junior numbers mean nothing.

He's one of those players who seems to perform consistently no matter what league he's in.


In the words of John Garrett....yes.
Jensen is 7th in the SEL with 12 goals - which would lead 8 of the 12 teams.
There are very few players as young as him in the SEL - he is a clear standout.
He is scoring at the exact same pace as Daniel Sedin in his 100 SEL games (with Henrik setting him up).
To help put it in perspective Matt Duchene, who scored 24 goals as a rookie and 27 as a sophomore in the NHL, has 4 goals in the SEL this season.
Jensen looked outstanding in camp in Vancouver before last season - as an 18 year old. Incredibly poised, very strong for his age, outstanding hockey sense and intelligence. I thought he looked like a young Sedin - and he'll benefit a lot from them when he does get the opportunity to play with them.
He's the real deal - the fact that people overlook or underestimate him doesn't really matter.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:20 PM

One thing that concerns me about Jensen is that he did not improve, year-over-year, in the OHL from when he was drafted to last year. He ended off 2011 on a very high note, putting up huge numbers in the playoffs. Then he followed that up with a season where his numbers didn't improve, and he had a very ho-hum playoffs. You'd think that with an extra year of maturity/growth, he'd have been able to be that much more dominant. Nope. Red flag, IMO.


Derp.
Actually it was the Oshawa Generals who didn't improve.
They went from 39-19 in 2010/11 to 31-30 in 2011/12.
Jensen had 11 points in 10 playoff games in 2010/11, and then 7 in 8 games last year, including 2 goals in 2 playoff games with the Wolves.
As usual you are working hard to make a point that isn't in reality worth making.
Playing on a low scoring team that is 3rd last in the SEL, he is by far (as in 5 to 10 years) younger than the few players who have more goals.

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