King of the ES Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 His attitude is that we have a good opportunity here, and that we want to bring in character players who want to be here, want to be part of it and will buy into our system. He & everyone in the organization pretty much have publicly said this alot of times I'm surprised you didn't know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I'm implying that maybe we have more issues than we think. I'm also implying that if Gillis has the attitude that Vancouver's a "destination franchise", and that he thus shouldn't need to work very hard to land quality FAs (as appears to be the case with Schultz), that is a poor and risky attitude to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 2010-11: 65 GP, 2 G, 5 A 2011-12: 47 GP, 1 G, 6 A I'm sorry, but you are not dealing with reality if you say that at $4.25M per year, Keith Ballard is "unfairly criticized". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Oh, thanks for that stunning insight. Please show me the NHL teams that want to bring in players that lack character and want to be somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Oh, thanks for that stunning insight. Please show me the NHL teams that want to bring in players that lack character and want to be somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeeterHansen Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Oh, thanks for that stunning insight. Please show me the NHL teams that want to bring in players that lack character and want to be somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 When the players don't preform year after year after year, and the losses are painfully similar, I think that shows the problem isn't the players, especially when you see what they are capable of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 But, according to you, they lost because they were injured, so how exactly is that AV's fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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van_ws Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 A few years ago I really liked the direction we were headed in. The goal was clear - we had an all star goalie who needed some support around him, so that what we went out and got. We got Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Ballard, Malhotra, etc all in an attempt to play a "D first" mentality. In addition, our stars were starting to shine up front so goal scoring wasn't a concern. Now all of a sudden we have a changing of the guard in net, our top scorers have been shut down in critical playoff games for the past two seasons, and we have no real notable players coming up from the farm. We traded away our prized prospect, and we still get run and beaten up physically by all the other teams. Our biggest problem is that our core is not getting any younger and we don't have any up and coming players who can take over the role of "core players" in a few seasons. It remains to be seen how we stack up once hockey gets going again, but I can't help but feel that we missed our window of opportunity and that the window won't come again till a whole rebuild takes place again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 +1 but Don't forget: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Stanley Cup Champions and a coastal,subtropical climatemixed with mountains that deliver winter skiing and snow past times. Hard sell to play there. Snow skiing at six different resorts: http://www.skisoutheast.com/ Endless,white sand beaches where you can actually swim in warm water: http://www.north-car...thcarolina.html Ok,so both Carolina and Vancouver offer outstanding geography ,although Vancouver is freezing and raining most of the year and Carolina is warm year 'round. Gillis offers 'bold moves','sleep specialists' and 'outside the box' thinking. That's what makes Vancouver the preferred destination amongst professionals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 You don't provide any evidence to support your theory but $7m can't be a deterrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 You don't provide any evidence to support your theory but $7m can't be a deterrent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 If I were Russian or a European I most likely would not have grown up wanting to win a Stanley Cup. I would be more focused on the prizes at my national and international levels.He has two gold medals in World Cup Championships play,silvers,bronze. Semin is a massive talent and really has nothing to prove.He may not even have a desire to have a cup. Florida,Tampa,Carolina,Atlanta,Anaheim,LA,Nashville-wherever. Canadians grow up wanting a cup. Players from other nations may want to feel the sun on their bones and get paid well to do it. Not everybody has a desire to see rain and clouds eight months of the year. I say good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Well at least it beats making critical errors in foresight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 If I were Russian or a European I most likely would not have grown up wanting to win a Stanley Cup. I would be more focused on the prizes at my national and international levels.He has two gold medals in World Cup Championships play,silvers,bronze. Semin is a massive talent and really has nothing to prove.He may not even have a desire to have a cup. Florida,Tampa,Carolina,Atlanta,Anaheim,LA,Nashville-wherever. Canadians grow up wanting a cup. Players from other nations may want to feel the sun on their bones and get paid well to do it. Not everybody has a desire to see rain and clouds eight months of the year. I say good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 I relate Semin signing in Carolina to us signing Demitra a few years ago, or Sundin. Those signings also made us a competitive team before we were ready to be, and then lent credibility to us as a destination for players in the years that followed. They are building a nice young team and a veteran like Semin with the ability to make others better, even if expensive, can help carry their young guns through till they are ready to be stars. Great signing for Washington, but we can no longer be interested at that price. We need to be like Detroit; getting older veterans (Bertuzzi, Chelios, Larry Murphy, etc, etc, etc...) who have 1st line talent but their bodies cant do it anymore. So they sign for discounts to extend their career and play key support roles on a winner. well that would explain why it took so long for someone to sign him, no one was willing to meet his price, until Carolina stepped up. If it was down to Carolina or another team that is better (Say Philly or NYR) and both had offered the same amount of $$ I'm sure he would have chosen Philly or NYR. And on the flip side if no one had offered him that money my guess is that he would have went to Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 I relate Semin signing in Carolina to us signing Demitra a few years ago, or Sundin. Those signings also made us a competitive team before we were ready to be, and then lent credibility to us as a destination for players in the years that followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 The difference is that Semin has far more to gain in Carolina than either Demitra or Sundin did when they signed with us. Demitra signed with us as a 34 year-old; Sundin was 37. Both guys obviously at the tail ends of their careers. Semin is only 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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