King of the ES Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Yeah and I think it was an embaressing act of desperation from a team that clearly desperate to get help in that area. And either way what I ment by that, was more refering to icetime, Edmonton could truthfully promise him a top 4 spot, we couldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Now before I gone defending our prospects, keep in mind the entire Wolves as a team are struggling. 1) Connaution is projected as a PP QB based on his offensive skillset, great skating ability, big slap shot, exc. The Wolves PP has struggled, you can't pin that entirely on him. And honestly for a struggling team, 10 Points in 23 Games for a defensemen isn't that bad. 2) So a player who is getting bottom 6 minutes, playing every other game so not getting consistent time to form chemistry, and even when he has that genius Arniel has broken up the line. He has been inconsistent, but he has also had some very good moments, when you consider the circumstances, it doesn't look as bad as it seems at face value. 3) Lol, this one is classic. A player who comes in and plays on the 4th line, plays very well (and anyone who watched early in the season will say he was actually quite impessive for a 4th liner) Then gets sent down to get put in more offensive situations. I don't know what point you are making here, he wasn't expected to make the NHL right away, unless you have some unrealistic expectation, so he is nothing to worry about right now. 4) No one expects him to be what he was projected to be, but if you had watched the wolves games you would see he has actually been quite stable and a pretty good in his defensive role, for some reason it seems like he is Arniel's favorite whipping boy even though he has been alot more reliable than Joslin. (For example) 5) First off JS is 5'9, not a good joke. 2nd, he has actually been one of the wolves best players, as has Kassian. Look at the entire roster, JS and Kassian are both top 3 in point I believe, the team has just struggled. When the team was playing well Jordan and Zack were playing really well, the team has tabled off and they still have been pretty good since that benching, even if (In Zack's case more so) The points don't entirely show that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Why don't you think it is that simple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Connauton has 8 points and a -10 rating. Looks like you got the numbers scrambled. "It doesn't look as bad as it seems at face value". Um, yes it does. Anton Rodin has 1 goal in 18 games played. The guy looks like a 15 year-old Lance Bass. If he's not scoring, he's not adding anything at all to the team. Stop making excuses. On Mallet; you use a 2nd round pick to draft a 20 year-old, under the assumption that he can go straight to the AHL. Well, unless he can't hack it there. I honestly didn't know that he was sent down until you told me. That is pretty scary. A 2nd round pick in the NHL entry draft?!? Yikes. Yep, always a whipping boy, whether it's Ballard on the Canucks, Sauve on the Wolves, whatever. You should open your mind a little bit and begin to consider the possibility that maybe the coach just doesn't have a lot of confidence in them. Meaning that maybe they're not that good. On Schroeder - "the team has just struggled". You earlier mentioned that the AHL was basically garbage and that Bieksa/Edler would have no problem getting 1.5 PPG in a league of such low quality. So if this is the case, maybe our entire prospect base just simply isn't that good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 He was courted by 26 NHL teams and put those NHL teams through an evaluation process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerg Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Oh, really? On the flipside, he's got more points than any other player in the league, so I guess it's probably worth it to keep him on the ice, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Seriously, this is the worst excuse ever. If he sucks, they won't play him. It's just that simple. The "promise" of ice-time is completely phony. I bet Keith Ballard was promised a lot of ice time when he was acquired, too, but he showed that he couldn't handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Connauton would not only be getting points but raising the game of all those around him if he was talented enough. The Canucks are big on Ontario and Quebec kids,which is where management is from,raised and played. However,their ignorance towards proper evaluation and drafting of Western Canadian kids is annoying and hurts the team. Besides not having one, talented former NHL PP d man in upper management they are all eastern Canadians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Connauton has 8 points and a -10 rating. Looks like you got the numbers scrambled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Connauton would not only be getting points but raising the game of all those around him if he was talented enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerg Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 How is that an excuse? They sent Wayne fricking Gretzky to talk to a 22 Year old Free Agent who they really wanted, does that not seem like an act of desperation to you? It does to me, and it's kind of embaressing that it has to come to that for players to sign in Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 In his defense, that isn't an uncommon recruiting method. Especially around free agency time, you can see top players for a team recruiting a particular guy on behalf of the GM. Can't think of any off hand, but I have heard of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Go read PGT's and see, Schroeder continues to pick up points and people are talking greatly of Kassian's improving defensive game, the way he sets up plays, and his physicality. Just go watch the games, or atleast read the PGT's so that you can actually keep track of what is going on before you make false assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 How is that an excuse? They sent Wayne fricking Gretzky to talk to a 22 Year old Free Agent who they really wanted, does that not seem like an act of desperation to you? It does to me, and it's kind of embaressing that it has to come to that for players to sign in Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Any player could raise the level of other players, doesn't mean he's not talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Not "desperation" at all. It's called intelligently-applied effort. They put in the work to ensure that they had shifted the odds in their favour as much possible, which Vancouver did not. Vancouver clearly assumed that, like Dan Hamhuis, they'd be given a gift and that Schultz would just want to play in his home town above all, growing up a Canuck fan. Whoops. Knocking the Oilers for bringing in Gretzky really shows a level of immaturity on your part. An excellent strategy that in the end was successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 That's why I prefer to talk about prospects in the prospect forum. You know that people actually watch the games there, or at least follow along in the post game talks. The people that only follow our prospects through the stats are pretty obvious to spot. Basically if a prospect isn't putting up close to a point a game = "They suck, what a bust. What was MG thinking?" If any prospect is putting up a point a game or close to it, it's "This guys gonna be a star. Where do you think they'll slot in next season?" There's so much more to prospect development than points. For the people actually watching our prospects, you can see steady improvement in some players, even if they're not lighting the lamp. That's the only reason you could explain a guy like Hodgson going from an average 0.6 PPG in the AHL to all of a sudden being 4th in scoring on a top scoring team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 There's so much more to prospect development than points. For the people actually watching our prospects, you can see steady improvement in some players, even if they're not lighting the lamp. That's the only reason you could explain a guy like Hodgson going from an average 0.6 PPG in the AHL to all of a sudden being 4th in scoring on a top scoring team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I have no idea what you are saying. Great players make less talented players look good or better. Connauton is not qualified as even an above average AHL d man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Well who would you rather have? A local guy like Garrison who scored 16 goals last season, and who's dream it was to play for Canucks since he was a kid. Who even came out publicly and said that he wants to play for the Canucks. Or some kid who's from here, hadn't proven anything at the pro level, and needed to be promised the moon to sign here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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