In all honesty, I do think the powerplay would have been better. The powerplay dipped from 24% to 19% this season. If you base statistics off of points-per-game, Edler had a better season when paired with Ehrhoff (33 points in 51 games) as opposed to this year (49 points in 82 games)
I honestly think there may have been a minor upgrade, but nothing that would make us alot better in that respect. Because Ehrhoff (Like u said in your post) Also went through that exaustion of a long playoff run and battling injuries, perhaps it may have helped at times but in the big picture I don't think it would have been all that much more beneficial.
It's not really about skating ability or the ability to put up points on the powerplay, it's more about puck-moving ability. Ehrhoff was by far the best puck-mover on the back-end on the team. Nobody on the current Canucks team can match that. Yes, Edler has a better shot, is more physical and is arguably better defensively, but his puck-moving ability and mobility isn't even close to Ehrhoff's. The Canucks had difficulty with getting the first pass out of the zone last year and that was one thing that Ehrhoff did excel at. The Canucks don't miss Ehrhoff as much on the powerplay as they do on his ability to move the puck up the ice and his ability to be able to start a play in his own zone. But don't get me wrong, they miss him on the powerplay as well.
Another interesting fact is how much healthier the Canucks defensive corps was this past year as opposed to 2010/2011. Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler and Salo were much healthier as opposed to the seasons before.
I don't entirely agree, I think he is really good at making that first pass but I think we have players who are just as good at moving the puck, we changed our entire defensive system to add puck movers and to use our D more effectively in the play, So though I think Ehrhoff's passing is great, I don't think it is by far better than a guy like Hamhuis, who I think is our most reliable players in aspects of the game aside from the PP, even though he is still solid there.
I'm not sure what point the last stat is trying to address.
You can say the same thing about Ehrhoff being exhausted as well. We'll have a clearer picture of both Ehrhoff and the Sedin's production either this year or next year (depending on the lockout) and the impact they had on the team.
Yeah I agree completely, I just don't think Ehrhoff had as big of an impact on our team due to the fact that we have other puck movers, and guys who are good on the PP, as for Ehrhoff he will still help Buffalo's Powerplay alot but they don't have anyone like the Sedins to set him up on the PP.
We'll see how both parties do next season. If the Sedin's can repeat their 100+ point performances and Ehrhoff doesn't do that great, I'll gladly eat my words. If the Sedins are unable to do that and Ehrhoff improves steadily for Buffalo, then the impact of the loss of Ehrhoff on the point will finally be justified.
Alright, that seems fair.
It seems like we have gone of the rails from the original point, to clearify I think Ehrhoff obviously add's something to our team that we did miss at times, but I don't think he deperature was overall as big an impact to us than maybe Ehrhoff losing the Sedin's and our great PP.
You also have to consider that Ehrhoff is getting a bigger role in Buffalo, either way I still think he is a good productive player, but his main concern was money and & even though I was actually quite a big fan of his, I am fine letting him go to re-sign Juice, and then to bring in similar guys at a better price.
I also wanna say I appreciate that you bring up some good points, really niether of us are right anyways cause it is still one of those 'Wait and see things' but I do respect your stance and appreciate you for making points rather than nuck nit who makes very little good points and calls others else.
Finally,somebody with more than just a clue shows up.
Thanks to TheEhrhoffEffect.
Puck moving ability,an accurate,hard shot and the ability to effectively read your top scorer's abilities/game to the extent you compliment them with success. That is what Ehrhoff provided.Add to that he was an excellent skater.
No effective PP,no win.That is where you begin your failure, Kassian.This team's PP sucked without Ehrhoff,already.The Sedins sucked.
"I don't think losing Ehrhoff is a huge lose for them aside from maybe finishing on a play here or there.." Kassian
You don't get it and neither did Gillis and we are where we are because of the brain dead air lock.
Where is Gragnani these days?
Yes our PP sucked, as apposed to all the great work Ehrhoff did in boosting that great Buffalo PP that even after adding some big free agents aside from him in the off season, and having young players (Ennis, Myers) develop futher still got worse from on season (2010/11) to the next (2011/12). I don't know how you can sit here and say our PP got a ton worse which really went you take into account the circumstances didn't get all that much worse at all, even though Buffalo's PP got worse when they added some big pieces.
And do you really think he is the only guy who has those characteristics, if you haven't noticed we have built our blueline around skating and puck moving, everyone is a good skater, Everyone can pass well, and then we have some guys who can fill that role on the PP just fine.
When you look at it from our perspective not a huge lose, as apposed to Ehrhoff who left the team that jump started his career.
And what do you expect MG to do? Overpay for Ehrhoff and Let Bieksa walk, I would have chose Bieksa over Ehrhoff everytime, Bieksa brings alot more to this team when he is on his game and the role he had here as opposed the one Ehrhoff had here reflects that.
As for Gragnani, I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up? I never said this move was a homerun.