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#211 nuck nit

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:08 PM

Hey King, do you remember Jason Krog? How did his AHL 112pts in 80 games from a D man(2007-2008) translate to the NHL? Not saying Schultz is going to be a career AHLer with a few call-ups, just that AHL success for offensive D men doesn't always work out in the big leagues.
Edit: Also, Krog was a star at the university level too.


Krog plays center and plays in Sweden's Elite League now.
He played for the Islanders,Ducks,Thrashers,Rangers,Canucks and Thrashers again over 200+ games at the NHL level,alone.
As good as Krog is or was in North America ,I do not recall him interviewing 26 interested NHL teams before he played his first NHL game.

Edited by nuck nit, 20 December 2012 - 10:19 PM.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:20 PM

<p>Just started to think back now on some critical organizational decisions made the past few years and thinking whether decisions made/not made in the new regime are coming back to bite us?

1) Schultz - tearing up the AHL, and while there was a push, decides on the Oilers; now knowing Edler/Garrison have injury issues and K-Conn is having an average year....did not getting him and being with another conference team going to cost us?
2) Luongo and his contract - at first everyone loved his contract and now with the murky new CBA, he may never be offloaded or if he does get traded, is dealt for less than he could of been...was his massive contract going to hamper the team's needs?
3)Hodgson - no need to go into this one; but with Kesler battling 'major injuries' and rumors he's still a ways away/may never regain his former game (wrist/shoulder injuries) plus add the fact we traded him for another 'question mark' - did it not make sense to either get back a centermen or keep Hodgson as C depth that appears needed now?
4)Drafting Pat McNally - was our only high pick that year (no 1st rounder) and now he's developmentally in limbo (Harvard school issues)
5) Sami Pahlsson = waste of a pickup (given away high picks) and then moved to the SEL
6) Corrado = plays well but then gets surprising cut; Gaunce injured and can't even try out for junior tournie = both a step back for development?
7) Lockout = this isn't the teams' fault, but every time there's a decision for the league to do a lockout, the Canucks suffer significantly on the ice(see 94, 04 and TBD for 2012?)

I can only think of one decisions in hindsight which turned out well = acquiring Higgins/Lapierre/Torres who were instrumental in the last cup finals run....There could be more to add to this list that I'm missing, but does it seem lately decisions are not favoring the organization?


Terrible. It's a shame you can't make decisions in hindsight right?

1. You can force someone to sign with you. Schultz wanted to go to Edmonton for the opportunity to grow with a young team. No one can make him come to Vancouver. Everyone knows the Canucks' defence situation. But you can't force Schultz to sign here. That's idiotic.

2. Luongo's contract (in hindsight as always) seems like a mistake now. It wasn't at the time and I'd argue he is still a top-flight goal-tender and is actually remarkably consistent year-to-year.

3. The verdict on the Hodgson deal remains to be seen. Once again we know the situation with our centers. But Cody and his agent didn't want to be here and didn't feel like they were being treated fairly in Vancouver. They're gone.

4. McNally wasn't really a "high" pick, He was drafted in the 4th round and like anyone drafted at that position (and beyond) he was going to be a project. He had a good rookie year with Harvard and I still think he's a solid prospect. Once instance of breaking "academic integrity" does not make him a terrible hockey player. The actual facts of college/university are that people cheat. Over 50% (source: Lang&O'Leary) of students cheat. Doesn't make them bad kids. You can't forsee him getting suspended from school. It could happen to anyone.

5. Sami Pahlsson. We needed a 3rd line center. We got one. He did a decent job and its not like he was expected to be a dynamic player. We dealt 4th rounders and Taylor effin Ellington to get him. Not exactly high picks.

6. Not gonna say much. Corrado and Gaunce are good prospects for where they were selected. They're developing. This comment is really facepalm worthy.

7.???? Who's fault is that?
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:38 PM

Krog plays center and plays in Sweden's Elite League now.
He played for the Islanders,Ducks,Thrashers,Rangers,Canucks and Thrashers again over 200+ games at the NHL level,alone.
As good as Krog is or was in North America ,I do not recall him interviewing 26 interested NHL teams before he played his first NHL game.


I never said he had the same free-agent demand as Schultz. I am just saying being an effective offensive AHL player doesn't always mean you will have success in the NHL. Now Schultz will most like develope into an effective top 4 guy, but scoring at a pace like he is doesn't garuntee he is going to be better than Jason Garrison during the time our core guys are in their prime.

Edited by MattJVD, 20 December 2012 - 11:47 PM.

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#214 nuck nit

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:52 AM

3. The verdict on the Hodgson deal remains to be seen. But Cody and his agent didn't want to be here and didn't feel like they were being treated fairly in Vancouver. They're gone.

I did not know Cody's agent was attached to Cody in Vancouver.
Can you -or anybody else-give the board one quote from Cody where he says he did not want to be here?
Can you -or anybody else- find one quote from Cody where he said he wasn't being treated fairly here?
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:55 AM

I never said he had the same free-agent demand as Schultz. I am just saying being an effective offensive AHL player doesn't always mean you will have success in the NHL. Now Schultz will most like develope into an effective top 4 guy, but scoring at a pace like he is doesn't garuntee he is going to be better than Jason Garrison during the time our core guys are in their prime.

Krog had 200 games in the NHL.
He is still playing pro hockey.
We have no idea how good Schultz will be but if he does turn out to be anything like Niedermayer then that is two Niedermayer's this team did not sign.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:02 AM

Dreaded DP.

Edited by nuck nit, 21 December 2012 - 01:07 AM.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:01 AM

2. Luongo's contract (in hindsight as always) seems like a mistake now. It wasn't at the time and I'd argue he is still a top-flight goal-tender and is actually remarkably consistent year-to-year.

Signing him for that term was as idiotic as naming him captain.What was especially troubling was that the Canucks signed Luo after his second serious groin injury of his career.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:13 AM

Love Luongo and very happy he was here and the face of our franchise. But getting Luongo and his wonky groin shipped out for a good return will be a good feeling.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:33 AM

Hey King, do you remember Jason Krog? How did his AHL 112pts in 80 games from a D man(2007-2008) translate to the NHL? Not saying Schultz is going to be a career AHLer with a few call-ups, just that AHL success for offensive D men doesn't always work out in the big leagues.

Edit: Also, Krog was a star at the university level too.


I'll leave alone your humourous suggestion that Jason Krog was a d-man (wrong), and just mention that in 2007-08, he was 28 years old and had played at least 2 full seasons in the NHL already, with plenty of time in the AHL in between.

Do you see the difference?
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:35 AM

Your so contradictive of yourself, you bash Ballard and Garrison for having big cap hits, but you have no issue with the fact that a rookie who has proven absoluetly nothing has a cap hit worth 3.75


It's called an entry-level contract, may want to familiarize yourself with what that means.

What had Cody Hodgson proven last year, when he was playing at an identical cap hit?
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 05:29 AM

The one fundamental reality that you're all ignoring is that if he's not any good, he will not play. Please read that slowly as it appears to be going in one ear and out the other.

If he isn't any good, he will not be playing.

And you're simply denying reality again if "immediate ice time" was the only consideration that Schultz's camp had in mind.


So you're saying Gillis should have just flat out lied? Or maybe put a pen in his hand and a gun to his head.

The money offer was the same from both teams. He chose Edmonton as the better opportunity for ice time. Get over it.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:24 AM

Krog had 200 games in the NHL.
He is still playing pro hockey.
We have no idea how good Schultz will be but if he does turn out to be anything like Niedermayer then that is two Niedermayer's this team did not sign.


Was there actually any doubt that the actual Niedermayer was going to sign where his brother was? Seeing as his brother wanted to stay in Anaheim... 1 + 1 = ?

The wanabe Niedermayer was given the maximum allowed offer. It's not like MG didn't bother trying. He chose ice time (the quicker route to the big paycheck) over team quality. You can't force a UFA to sign here.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:12 AM

IMO MG's biggest blunder is the Ballard trade. By making the Ballard trade the Canucks lost out on Grabner, Howden and didn't have any cap to sign workhorse Mitchell. Everything is hindsight though. Not being able to sign local favorite Mitchell was bad enough let alone the young prospects. Mitchell >> Ballard
I also think MG should have made a bigger push for Turris. Local kid is gonna be a stud and may be the only time in his career where he could be had for reasonable value.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:57 PM

It's called an entry-level contract, may want to familiarize yourself with what that means.

What had Cody Hodgson proven last year, when he was playing at an identical cap hit?


His cap hit wasn't that high, his was just over 1 Million.

Not every standard ELC is that much his was just raised due to added bonus's exc.


So Contradicitve King, why do you bury Ballard and Garrison for big contracts but not Schultz when KB and JG are much more proven players?

You contradict yourself alot like this when you want something to go along with your argument, but why? If you support Schultz at 3.75 then you shouldn't make a fuss about Ballard at 4.2 or Garrison at 4.6.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:39 PM

Do you think any of those 4 guys would be getting 1.5 PPG in the AHL, today?

Don't be so sure that Schultz wouldn't be able to outplay those guys for increased ice time. Nobody expected Ehrhoff to do what he did here.


He was on the 3rd pair when we were healthy, and he benefitted from the Sedins, without them he isn't a 50 point defensmen, it doesn't surprised me at all he was such a dissapointment in Buffalo last year.

He should give the Sedin's a big portion of that huge contract, they earned it for him.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 05:50 PM

He was on the 3rd pair when we were healthy, and he benefitted from the Sedins, without them he isn't a 50 point defensmen, it doesn't surprised me at all he was such a dissapointment in Buffalo last year.
He should give the Sedin's a big portion of that huge contract, they earned it for him.


Man ,are you clueless.Must be into the egg nog with De Niro ,is my guess.
I think Gillis should have been paying Ehrhoff out of his own pocket.He might have been less filthy rich but he would not look like a junior GM that is as clueless as some CDC posters.

Ehrhoff's game complimented the Sedins and made the PP better.
No other d man stepped up and did what Christian did so why not give him the credit he is due?
Last year our PP sucked.Too bad Gillis did not figure out the obvious before he lowballed his offer to him and let him walk to Buffalo.

"He has performed as advertised and has been very consistent for us all year both offensively and defensively," Canucks defenseman Kevin Bieksa said. "I played against Christian for a number of years, going all the way back to the minors during the lockout season (2004-05). I have always known that he is a good skater with a good shot and moves the puck very well. He also has an excellent work ethic."

Daniel Sedin has suggested that the reason the powerplay struggled is that he and Henrik became too predictable.
Take a look at every goal Ehrhoff scored last season: he scored from everywhere on the ice. Some were one-timers from the blue line, but he found his way into the slot, the crease, the backdoor, and everywhere in between.
If the Canucks want to experience consistent success on the powerplay next season, they will need to figure out how to be unpredictable on the powerplay without Christian Ehrhoff. The most obvious answer would be to find a replacement Ehrhoff, someone with his unpredictable nature and offensive instincts.
http://vansunsportsb...istian-ehrhoff/

And no,Gillis has not replaced Ehrhoff.He had a chance to fill a huge hole with Schultz.Garrison is a shut down,defensive d man and Eddy is rumored to be on his way out.Salo is gone as Gillis would not pay him.Which leaves......nobody to fill this role.
And that,is where the Smashian Kassian's and Milke Gillis' of the world display ignorant disrespect and contempt of PP specialists.Ignorance is not going to improve the PP.This team was the best in the league because of Ehrhoff and a healthy Salo and Edler complimented the Stunning Swedes up front.

Edited by nuck nit, 21 December 2012 - 06:02 PM.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 05:57 PM

Man ,are you clueless.Must be into the egg nog with De Niro ,is my guess.
I think Gillis should have been paying Ehrhoff.Ehrhoff's game complimented the Sedins and made the PP better.
No other d man stepped up and did what Christian did so why not give him credit?
Last year our PP sucked.Too bad Gillis did not figure out the obvious.

And no,Gillis has not replaced Ehrhoff.He had a chance to with Schultz.Garrison is a shut down,defensive d man and Eddy is rumored to be on his way out.Salo is gone as Gillis would not pay him.Which leaves......nobody to fill this role.
And that,is where the Smashian Cassian's and Milke Gillis' of the world are disrespectful of PP specialists.Ignorance is not going to improve the PP.


I'm clueless, yet you think it is because we wouldn't pay Salo, the money wasn't the issue with Salo is was Term, We weren't willing to go longer than 1 year and he got a great deal in TBL, he would have been willing to sign for around 1.5-2 Million with us he just wanted a longer deal, for someone who apperently knows enough to call other clueless I would have expected you to know that.

And if Ehrhoff is so great then why didn't he have to same success in Buffalo that he did here?

And yes our PP which was 4th Overall last year really sucked as apposed to the Buffalo powerplay which finished 16th.

Edler and Garrison are fine replacements IMO since Garrison is willing to take less to be here and Edler is also a star at the other end and is becoming a star defensemen.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

Go have some more egg nog,Kassian.You have no idea.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:11 PM

Go have some more egg nog,Kassian.You have no idea.


I'm not a big egg nog fan actually.

And I'm glad you took the time to reply to my points, really shows your hockey knowledge.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:41 PM

I'm not a big egg nog fan actually.

And I'm glad you took the time to reply to my points, really shows your hockey knowledge.


Ok,ditch the egg nog and just go with hard liquor.On the rocks.Neat.
The Canucks are going to have to replace what Ehrhoff did for this team and what all highly talented ,puck moving d men do for teams.Gragnani and Garrison? No.
Eddy may leave and Salo is gone.
Bieksa,Tanev and Hamhuis have little PP skills.
That leaves Ballard,whom I believe is partially capable of filling this role but in a 2nd PP pairing role.
This team is a skill divide away from Salo,Eddy and Christian on the ice with the Sedins and the PP stats showed it.
http://canucks.nhl.c...0112012&srt=ppg
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:45 PM

I'm clueless, yet you think it is because we wouldn't pay Salo, the money wasn't the issue with Salo is was Term, We weren't willing to go longer than 1 year and he got a great deal in TBL, he would have been willing to sign for around 1.5-2 Million with us he just wanted a longer deal, for someone who apperently knows enough to call other clueless I would have expected you to know that.

And if Ehrhoff is so great then why didn't he have to same success in Buffalo that he did here?

And yes our PP which was 4th Overall last year really sucked as apposed to the Buffalo powerplay which finished 16th.

Edler and Garrison are fine replacements IMO since Garrison is willing to take less to be here and Edler is also a star at the other end and is becoming a star defensemen.

1) He struggled with injuries throughout the year. If he played a full season, based on points-per-game, he would have finished with 41 points.

2) It took time for him to adjust to the Sabres' system. Many free agents struggle out of the gate with their new teams.

3) The Sabres were arguably the most injured team last year. Only Pominville played a full 82 games on Buffalo. That affected the chemistry on the team quite severely.

If Ehrhoff plays like crap next year, then you got a point.

Edited by TheEhrhoffEffect, 21 December 2012 - 06:46 PM.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 06:55 PM

He was on the 3rd pair when we were healthy, and he benefitted from the Sedins, without them he isn't a 50 point defensmen, it doesn't surprised me at all he was such a dissapointment in Buffalo last year.

He should give the Sedin's a big portion of that huge contract, they earned it for him.

The Sedins two best seasons statisically were in 2009/2010 and 2010/2011. Guess who was on the team as well as backing the powerplay in both of those years...

Maybe the Sedins' drop in production is just a coincidence, but it's interesting how their two best seasons were when Ehrhoff playing alongside them. If you want to base this off statistics, I guess Ehrhoff inflated the Sedins' stats just as much as the Sedin's inflated Ehrhoff's. We'll have to wait and see though.

And don't use Daniel's injury as an excuse for the drop in production. The Sedins were both under a point per game before his injury.

Edited by TheEhrhoffEffect, 21 December 2012 - 06:55 PM.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:01 PM

Ok,ditch the egg nog and just go with hard liquor.On the rocks.Neat.
The Canucks are going to have to replace what Ehrhoff did for this team and what all highly talented ,puck moving d men do for teams.Gragnani and Garrison? No.
Eddy may leave and Salo is gone.
Bieksa,Tanev and Hamhuis have little PP skills.
That leaves Ballard,whom I believe is partially capable of filling this role but in a 2nd PP pairing role.
This team is a skill divide away from Salo,Eddy and Christian on the ice with the Sedins and the PP stats showed it.
http://canucks.nhl.c...0112012&srt=ppg


Well Gragnani didn't work out, I don't think we gave him enough of a chance, obviously he doesn't have Ehrhoff's skill/shot but I think he had some of the same offensive hockey sense and skating/puck moving ability, but he is gone so that's water under the bridge.

Edler fills the role well, I think he is just as good maybe even better in some areas, is shot is just as hard if not harder, he has I think a better wrist shot in terms of being able to get it through traffic and on net, and even pick the wholes in that situation, skaing wise I think he is just as good, and he has more size and is better in the other areas, as for him leaving everyone is acting like this is already a predetermined thing, which I don't see at all. From all I know he likes it here, loves the team, loves the city and to me the only reason we didn't sign him is because he was low balled, I can recall him getting offered about 4.95 or something like that, I remember that being mentioned somewhere, and that simply isn't enough, I think anywhere from 5-6 is reasonable and something he would accept and is also something we can do, we can always ask him to take around 5 for 1 year then assure him a much larger paycheck if he continues his development, so there are options among other things.

As for Garrison I don't know why you count him out, he has just as good of a shot if not better, maybe not the same puck rushing skill but he's a good passer, has got a good shot and can bring some good offense, I don't understand why people are so quick to count him out.

Ballard I agree has the puck moving ability, he's also a smart offensive player IMO, knows when he jump in the rush, makes good plays in the zone, I think if he was given a shot his skating ability and hockey sense could be really help out the PP at times.

Overall I don't think our PP would have been much better last season with Ehrhoff, Edler really broke through offensively and I think with Ehrhoff he maybe wouldn't have gotten the same opportunity.


So you can say yes he benefited our powerplay but our powerplay also benefitted him, and if you were to ask the question, who benefitted more? Our PP from him or him from our PP, I would say him from our PP honestly.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:12 PM

I'm glad you made good points right away so we can have a discussion.

1) He struggled with injuries throughout the year. If he played a full season, based on points-per-game, he would have finished with 41 points.

2) It took time for him to adjust to the Sabres' system. Many free agents struggle out of the gate with their new teams.

3) The Sabres were arguably the most injured team last year. Only Pominville played a full 82 games on Buffalo. That affected the chemistry on the team quite severely.

If Ehrhoff plays like crap next year, then you got a point.


I just want to say I find it funny how in our market certain players (Booth, Ballard) don't get that benefit. And people rag on them anyways. But that's kind of beside the point.

The Sedins two best seasons statisically were in 2009/2010 and 2010/2011. Guess who was on the team as well as backing the powerplay in both of those years...

Maybe the Sedins' drop in production is just a coincidence, but it's interesting how their two best seasons were when Ehrhoff playing alongside them. If you want to base this off statistics, I guess Ehrhoff inflated the Sedins' stats just as much as the Sedin's inflated Ehrhoff's. We'll have to wait and see though.

And don't use Daniel's injury as an excuse for the drop in production. The Sedins were both under a point per game before his injury.


I do agree injuries played a factor both for him and the team overall, and I don't think he played like crap I think he was a productive player at times last season but I just still think that our PP helped him more than he helped our PP.

Say he was on our team last season, do you think the PP would have been alot better? Perhaps a bit at times, but overall I don't think so, I think Edler took over his role just fine, and in the process emerged as a much better player (A point I made above)

So you know I'm fine with losing him, I don't think he really adds much to what we have know, I think we have players who can fill his role just fine, and the addition of Garrison (Who is also more proficient defensively and is a more physical player) will add another big shot and a nice component to our PP, maybe not the same skating ability Ehrhoff has, but Edler has that, and even (if AV will even given him a chance) Ballard does aswell, if we struggle or there or injuries or whatever I think his skating ability and hockey sense could bring a useful component to the PP aswell.


As for the Sedin's im not surprised they had lower point total's I think our overall team was exausted at times this year from going all the way & then having to heal in such a short time span & that includes them. they weren't as fresh as in years past, obviously statisticlly they weren't as good and hey they struggled at times more than we are used to, but I don't think they have gotten anyworse skillwise or talent wise than they were in the past, and I don't think losing Ehrhoff is a huge lose for them aside from maybe finishing on a play here or there which I think other's we have added will pick up.


And as I said above, who benefitted more? The PP/The Sedin's from Ehrhoff or Ehrhoff from the PP/The Sedins. I would say the 2nd one.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:32 PM

Say he was on our team last season, do you think the PP would have been alot better? Perhaps a bit at times, but overall I don't think so, I think Edler took over his role just fine, and in the process emerged as a much better player (A point I made above)


In all honesty, I do think the powerplay would have been better. The powerplay dipped from 24% to 19% this season. If you base statistics off of points-per-game, Edler had a better season when paired with Ehrhoff (33 points in 51 games) as opposed to this year (49 points in 82 games)

So you know I'm fine with losing him, I don't think he really adds much to what we have know, I think we have players who can fill his role just fine, and the addition of Garrison (Who is also more proficient defensively and is a more physical player) will add another big shot and a nice component to our PP, maybe not the same skating ability Ehrhoff has, but Edler has that, and even (if AV will even given him a chance) Ballard does aswell, if we struggle or there or injuries or whatever I think his skating ability and hockey sense could bring a useful component to the PP aswell.


It's not really about skating ability or the ability to put up points on the powerplay, it's more about puck-moving ability. Ehrhoff was by far the best puck-mover on the back-end on the team. Nobody on the current Canucks team can match that. Yes, Edler has a better shot, is more physical and is arguably better defensively, but his puck-moving ability and mobility isn't even close to Ehrhoff's. The Canucks had difficulty with getting the first pass out of the zone last year and that was one thing that Ehrhoff did excel at. The Canucks don't miss Ehrhoff as much on the powerplay as they do on his ability to move the puck up the ice and his ability to be able to start a play in his own zone. But don't get me wrong, they miss him on the powerplay as well.

Another interesting fact is how much healthier the Canucks defensive corps was this past year as opposed to 2010/2011. Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler and Salo were much healthier as opposed to the seasons before.


As for the Sedin's im not surprised they had lower point total's I think our overall team was exausted at times this year from going all the way & then having to heal in such a short time span & that includes them. they weren't as fresh as in years past, obviously statisticlly they weren't as good and hey they struggled at times more than we are used to, but I don't think they have gotten anyworse skillwise or talent wise than they were in the past, and I don't think losing Ehrhoff is a huge lose for them aside from maybe finishing on a play here or there which I think other's we have added will pick up.


You can say the same thing about Ehrhoff being exhausted as well. We'll have a clearer picture of both Ehrhoff and the Sedin's production either this year or next year (depending on the lockout) and the impact they had on the team.


And as I said above, who benefitted more? The PP/The Sedin's from Ehrhoff or Ehrhoff from the PP/The Sedins. I would say the 2nd one.


We'll see how both parties do next season. If the Sedin's can repeat their 100+ point performances and Ehrhoff doesn't do that great, I'll gladly eat my words. If the Sedins are unable to do that and Ehrhoff improves steadily for Buffalo, then the impact of the loss of Ehrhoff on the point will finally be justified.

Edited by TheEhrhoffEffect, 21 December 2012 - 07:37 PM.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:55 PM

Finally,somebody with more than just a clue shows up.
Thanks to TheEhrhoffEffect.

Puck moving ability,an accurate,hard shot and the ability to effectively read your top scorer's abilities/game to the extent you compliment them with success. That is what Ehrhoff provided.Add to that he was an excellent skater.
No effective PP,no win.That is where you begin your failure, Kassian.This team's PP sucked without Ehrhoff,already.The Sedins sucked.

"I don't think losing Ehrhoff is a huge lose for them aside from maybe finishing on a play here or there.." Kassian

You don't get it and neither did Gillis and we are where we are because of the brain dead air lock.

Where is Gragnani these days?

Edited by nuck nit, 21 December 2012 - 07:57 PM.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:07 PM

  • Kevin Connauton - 2 goals, 8 points, and a -10 rating in 23 games. This is your future PP QB?
  • Anton Rodin - 1 goal in 18 games played? Coming in at a weight of approximately 137 pounds?
  • Alexandre Mallet - 0 points in 13 games played? This is your overage/ready-to-contribute 2nd round pick?
  • Yann Sauve - 1 point in 12 games played. Another 2nd round pick.
Even Kassian & Schroeder, both have been benched, and neither have asserted themselves as leaders for the team. 14 points in 23 games for Jordan Schroeder, who's 5'3"? Let me ask you - who are we "underestimating"?


Just wanted to bring up Sauve and his play. This guy should be playing way more, he is a great shut down guy. He could have more points, if he was playing more. I'm a fan of his play.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:27 PM

Gillis' scotuing and drafting is a good when it is good

hodgson
Jensen
Cannuaton
Corrado

all promising, no home runs yet:(

Bad when its bad

Mallet - 2nd - WTF
Rodin - said he would take this guy in the first- which would have been a disaster
Sauve-2nd - WTF
Honzik-yikes!!!!
Schroeder...Johansson would have been nice- at risk of another disaster.


Maybes:

Cannauton
Canata
Price
McNally
Polasek
Andersson
Gaunce- I would have liked Samuelsson


he is good in late rounds, not so great in

we still need time to judge, but if we still had hodgson, we'd all feel better about it.
dragting and developing is hard and Gillis is not succeeding... :(
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:57 PM

And people rag on the Flames drafting

How has Gillis' picks turned out since he took over?
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Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:03 PM

And people rag on the Flames drafting

How has Gillis' picks turned out since he took over?


Better than the Flames?
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