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#1 Pasific Coluseum

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:26 PM

Anyone who thinks Keith Ballard has a future with Canucks organization is living in denial. His future with this team looks bleak. Like Shane O Brien I think Ballard will be on the move either by waiver wire or a trade. Coach AV really has no love for Ballard and Keith has underwhelmed himself as a Canuck.

Do we just waive Ballard and hope another team picks him up or trade him for another project Dman like Komisarek. Who know, maybe a change of scenery for both players might revitalize their careers.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:28 PM

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Why the f*** would we want the piece of crap Komisarek.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:31 PM

Not even sure what to say to this, at least Ballard can hip-check people into there next game.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:33 PM

at least he can take a beating from Lucic
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:38 PM

If only Ballard made half of the money that he does, then I would have no complaints. I think he's a decent player and a good guy in the locker room, just not worth his contract. It also hurts a bit given what we gave up for him.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:42 PM

I'll keep Ballard over Komisarek.

Look what Ballard has done consistently. For whatever reason, his game has gone to sh1t. Maybe it is the way that AV utilizes him.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:42 PM

How about neither?
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 08:47 PM

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:02 PM

or we could fire AV...
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:10 PM

How the hell was Komisarek an All Star one year? (Besides the fact that Montreal fans voted for him...he couldn't have been that bad?)
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:12 PM

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Pylon > Komisarek
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:15 PM

Is this even a question?

I would have anyone over Komisarek. Even Rome or pull Fitzpatrick out of retirement.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:40 PM

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:41 PM

Is this even a question?

I would have anyone over Komisarek. Even Rome or pull Fitzpatrick out of retirement.


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:43 PM

Are you forgetting how good Ballard played for us in the LA series or right before he got his concussion? (6 pts in 10 games I believe)

Or how bad Komisarek has gotten the past few years?
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:00 PM

Ballard will be a fine D man this year. We dont' need to bring another new guy in to learn a system for a 48 game season. He has just had an undefined role in the past, but he's got it now. PLus the dude can hit and we need more hitting... always
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:41 PM

Ballard is a good defenceman. He's just under utilized by AV. I wouldn't mind having Komisarek too. A big guy who can clear the front of the net. Something Alberts is suppose to be doing but unfortunately, AV doesn't like using him.


Ballard was a good pickup. He's not being given enough opportunities to play on the Top 6 and when he does, he gets criticized by us for his mistakes
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:44 PM

I'd take Ballard over Komisarek any day of the week.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:48 PM

Ballard can actually skate and pass.

Komisarek is the original Aaron Rome. Why would we replace Rome 2.0 with Rome v.1.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:55 PM

Nothing to see here folks. Pasific Coluseum = troll. Have a nice day.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:12 PM

For all you people ragging on Komisarek, sure he may not be a good defenceman but even a world-class defenceman like Phaneuf is looking pretty bad playing on one of if not the worst defensive teams in the league.

To me our defence needs to become bigger, more physical and stronger. Look at all the Cup winning defences over the last few years - sure you need to be big up front, but more importantly you need big bruisers on the back end who punish opposing teams forwards. Ballard is nowhere near that guy, Komisarek is at least a bit closer to what Cup-winning defences are made of.

You look at Boston's defence, they had a great top 4 obviously but even their bottom pairing consisted of a guy like McQuaid - not great defensively but a physical monster who ground down forwards during a series. Now take a look at Los Angeles. Guys like Mitchell and especially Greene pounded forwards all series long. Our bottom pairing right now is Ballard and Tanev, two tiny guys who don't pose a threat to anyone.

For those of you who say Ballard is a great hip-checker, he WAS a good hip checker, but the worst thing is that hip checking does next to nothing in the playoffs. It's a one-hit-wonder that sends a forward flying, but doesn't appear to hurt or grind them down as much as consistently banging their bodies against the boards or down to the ice, which is how Los Angeles and Boston played in the playoffs. You don't tire out forwards by throwing one hip check a game in a 7 game series, you do it by riding them hard into the boards every single shift. That's how our forwards were destroyed against Boston, and that's what L.A did to every single team.

Of all of Komisarek's bad traits, this is one good thing about him that the Canucks desperately need if they want to start thinking about playoff hockey as opposed to regular season success. Komi's game is built for the playoffs, not the regular season, and would fit in perfectly in our bottom-4.

Edler - Garrison
Hamhuis - Bieksa
Komisarek - Tanev
Alberts

His size complements Tanev's lack thereof and just like the past 2 Cup winners have shown us, you don't need a small, fast, mobile defence to win a Cup, you need a strong stay-at-home type with maybe one or two puck movers. Even going back to Chicago, they had Keith and Campbell as their puck movers, the rest were strong stay-at-home guys. Boston had Chara and Kaberle as their offensive defencemen, the rest were all physical shut down guys (Chara included). Look at Los Angeles, Doughty and Voynov were the only real offensive defencemen. Now with Komisarek in the mix, we suddenly have that same magic formula that has worked time and time again. You win Cups with grit and size on the BACK END, not just forwards which is something that has been neglected by the Canucks over the last 3 or 4 years and has been IMO our biggest downfall.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:27 PM

I'd still take Ballard over Komisarek.

Ballard can still be a good player. But he is being terribly utilized. They're playing him outside his strengths and outside what should be his role.

Ballard is still an NHL player and should be treated as such. Gillis won't waive him. He'll find his best to find a taker if he has to move him. And maybe there will be an amnesty buyout to give Keith a chance to rejuvenate his NHL career at a lower salary.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:46 PM

I would agree with DownUnda that we need better balance between size and skill; but that can be said for both forwards and defence. But, Komisarek is not the answer...he's over-priced, slow-footed, and though >235 pounds, he's not one of those oversized d-men who can impose his will by grinding down the opposing forwards. He's demonstrated that he can take a bunch of shots to the melon from Lucic, though.

It seems that Ballard has polarized the Canucks faithful...I'm in the camp that believes that we haven't seen him at his best in a Canucks uniform. He came to us injured, and it seems that he hasn't had the opportunity to heal properly. Hopefully he benefits from the lock out by being able to fully heal from all of his injuries. From what I know of Ballard, he doesn't have the same issues that Shane O'Brien had...Ballard is not known for late nights at the Roxy, so I think this so-called dislike AV has for Ballard is overblown, though Ballard did have issues while playing for DeBoer as a Panther.

At 5'11" and 208 lbs., I would say that Ballard has decent size to play a grinding game. Not the tallest, but at his height/weight, he has the low center of gravity that should allow him to take on guys who are bigger than him.

But trade him for Komisarek? No thanks. Waive him? Only good reason to do this would be to bury his cap hit in the minors. If you waived him, who would you replace him with? The depth isn't there right now (may be there is a year or two), so we are limited with interchangeable parts from within, though Ballard may be a casualty of the new CBA (wishful thinking that there will be a CBA anytime soon). I think we need to see a nearly 100% healthy Ballard to see what he can really do.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:50 PM

Komisarek or waivers...
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:52 PM

I think Ballard is turning it around, He was good through January and February until he suffered that "cap-cussion" and he seemed like the only D man who showed up in some of the games against LA. He plays well with Tanev and is good for his developement, shame he doesn't get used on the PP, his passing and speed are good enough.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:53 PM

Ballard has the ability to be a top four guy just with his great skating ability to move the puck out of the defense zone. However he's been misused since day one with the Canucks and lacks the confidence to be a top four defenseman. He is a reliable 6 guy but why waste 4 million on a player who will play 14 minutes a night while we could invest that into a topix forward that could feed the puck to Kesler.

I do think Ballards time in Vancouver has been underwhelming but he hasn't been put into a situation to succeed. I put the blame on AV for not giving Ballard a chance to prove himself in his 2 years he's been here. I do agree though its time to part ways with Ballard and move on, but I wouldn't even think to trade him for that pylon komasarik that's laughable..

Edited by WillyFox, 20 December 2012 - 11:55 PM.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:55 PM

If only Ballard made half of the money that he does, then I would have no complaints. I think he's a decent player and a good guy in the locker room, just not worth his contract. It also hurts a bit given what we gave up for him.


yea, what exactly did we give up for Ballard.
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5 million a year for Vrbata? 6 million for Miller? Kesler for Bonino and 24th instead of 10th pick or one of their top prospects? Garrison for scraps?

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:59 PM

yea, what exactly did we give up for Ballard.

Grabner and Quiton Howden who looks like a promising prospect. It really sucks to think we could have grabners dynamic speed on this team he just needs to learn how to finish and he could become a similar player to gaborik but obviously not on his level..
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:31 AM

He's barely making it alive in Toronto. Barely making it alive in Toronto, is not making it at all for Vancouver. Ballard can at least play some offence. As for Komasarek, he's a frickin Punching bag. Just ask Lucic.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:32 AM

Terrible, so basicly we make our team worse for what reason?

As for DownUndaCanucks point about big bruising defense's, our defense was fine until all our mobile guys were injured and couldn't play to there capabilities (Some not at all) Then when the big bruising guys (Alberts) Were given bigger minutes look what happened.

This also goes against everything that we have seen from the game in terms of when it is now and where it is going, skating is becoming one of the biggest factors in aqcuiring players.

This trade does nothing but make us worse.
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