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#151 RUPERTKBD

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:28 PM

I wish they wouldn't even report on these NRA recommendations. All they are doing is legitimizing these so-called ideas.

Any "solution" that adds to the number of weapons, rather than reducing that number, is simply a smokescreen designed to deflect attention away from the real answer, (which is something that the NRA is deathly afraid of):

Less guns. Tougher restrictions on their sale and the outright ban of certain types of weapons and the ammunition they use.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 10:51 PM

zaibatsu.................

You've laid out your normal rhetoric here, zaibatsu, but please explain the above.

You say it isn't the guns and gun culture that is responsible for Yanks killing Yanks yet you have failed to explain what is.

I think after reading your denial of everybody else's opinion I think it's only fair you actually tell us WTF is wrong with America.

GO.

Has this been responded to? I believe the correct phrase to use here is "Put up or shut up" ? Since it almost seems that to you zaibatsu, everyone else contributing to this thread is wrong...
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 12:40 AM

Every one of these gun issues could be solved if everyone just shot someone else like at the end of Resevoir Dogs.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:18 AM

I find it hard to agree with any gun enthusiasts arguments, because they all seem to come from a place of selfishness.

They care more about their own ability to own guns than they do about the safety of the general public. That has seemed pretty apparent from listening to most of them.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:43 AM

I find it hard to agree with any gun enthusiasts arguments, because they all seem to come from a place of selfishness.

They care more about their own ability to own guns than they do about the safety of the general public. That has seemed pretty apparent from listening to most of them.

The NRA is simply a front for the gun manufacturers, who is affected most by restrictions on gun sales? Why haven't previous gun laws worked? Because the NRA's puppet congressmen make sure nothing that will have any effect can get through congress, legislation gets watered down to the point of being worthless, and full of loopholes the gun makers exploit faster than Ed Snyder bypassing the salary cap. That Bushmaster rifle used at Sandy Hook is just an AK47 slightly modified to fit through loopholes in the Assault rifle ban. There is a ton of money in weapons sales, especially if you can whip up paranoia and convince people they need as many guns as they can get, the 2nd amendment argument is just a way to get the uneducated masses to make a lot of noise. There is no mention of guns or even firearms in the 2nd amendment, no mention of the type of arms allowed, it does clearly state regulated militia however.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:50 AM

anyone else seeing the irony how the NRA is a "right" leaning group saying we need more armed guards in schools? Yet, the tea-party screams that Obama is a socialist trying to make us like China?
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:09 PM

anyone else seeing the irony how the NRA is a "right" leaning group saying we need more armed guards in schools? Yet, the tea-party screams that Obama is a socialist trying to make us like China?

No kidding, Z. It would be ironic, if it weren't so downright sad.

But hey, I'm sure most of us have learned long ago, not to expect anything resembling common sense from either of those groups...
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:17 PM

The NRA proposal would take one of every seven U.S. police officers off the streets during school days, based on a Reuters analysis of U.S. government data.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/21/us-usa-shooting-connecticut-idUSBRE8BI1BV20121221


As I said before, that's whole lot less cops out there ticketing people for revenue, they may even have to scale back the war on drugs to free up the necessary manpower.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:24 PM

As I said before, that's whole lot less cops out there ticketing people for revenue, they may even have to scale back the war on drugs to free up the necessary manpower.

Just curious E_R: How many cops per school would you think was adequate?

Columbine had a cop who traded shots with Eric Harris, but missed.

Harris unloaded his assault rifle at the cop. Gardner returned fire with his .45-caliber semiautomatic, but missed the gunman.


He also had this to say:

Gardner said banning assault weapons and magazines that carry extra ammunition is only one step to making a safer school.

Read more: http://www.nydailyne...6#ixzz2FuPQVBXX


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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:28 PM

As I said before, that's whole lot less cops out there ticketing people for revenue, they may even have to scale back the war on drugs to free up the necessary manpower.


Seems like a total waste of manpower. Going to have how many officers sitting around waiting for the one off chance something somewhere happens. Even with the officers present there's a chance they could still fail in defending the school.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:44 PM

The solution to guns in schools is more guns in schools. Can't anyone see that?!?

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:27 PM

I find it hard to agree with any gun enthusiasts arguments, because they all seem to come from a place of selfishness.

They care more about their own ability to own guns than they do about the safety of the general public. That has seemed pretty apparent from listening to most of them.


Best comment I've read.

Exactly. Give us one good reason that you need to own a gun. If it is for sustenance and you eat what you kill or for protection against bears, etc. while you're in the wild, ok. But, if your gun should ever be used for anything other than that - gone. Zero tolerance, even if it's a matter of the gun falling into someone else's hands...that's part of your responsibility in owning that gun.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:40 PM

Best comment I've read.

Exactly. Give us one good reason that you need to own a gun. If it is for sustenance and you eat what you kill or for protection against bears, etc. while you're in the wild, ok. But, if your gun should ever be used for anything other than that - gone. Zero tolerance, even if it's a matter of the gun falling into someone else's hands...that's part of your responsibility in owning that gun.


The only real good reason I have ever heard to own a gun is that of protection...but actually looking at this...if the other loonies have no guns, what does anyone need to protect themselves from...I get that...if you eliminate the killing weapons, the paranoia would eventually subside and less and less would have to own one for protection...
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:20 PM

You gotta love the inconsistent logic from the NRA.

It is not the gun but the person who kills who is responsible.

Except if it a video game then it is the game and not the person who plays the game who is responsible.

:shock: :picard:

And this despite numerous studies that show video games have no cause and effect on acts of violence such as mass shootings.

A 2009 article in the Journal of Pediatrics titled “The Public Health Risks of Media Violence: A Meta-Analytic Review” did not find “either a causal or correlational link between violent media and subsequent aggression in viewers.” The results of two peer-reviewed studies published in a 2008 issue of the journal Criminal Justice and Behavior suggest that “playing violent video games does not constitute a significant risk for future violent criminal acts.”

http://www.washingto...d278_story.html

And per Christopher J. Ferguson (associate professor of psychology and criminal justice at Texas A&M International University. He has published numerous scientific articles on the topic of video games and mental health and recently served as guest editor for an American Psychological Association’s special journal issue on the topic. Ferguson is also the editor of Violent Crime: Clinical and Social Implications and the author of The Suicide Kings.)

As a video game violence researcher and someone who has done scholarship on mass homicides, let me state very emphatically: There is no good evidence that video games or other media contributes, even in a small way, to mass homicides or any other violence among youth. Our research lab recently published new prospective results with teens in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence indicating that exposure to video game violence neither increased aggressive behaviors, nor decreased prosocial behaviors. Whitney Gunter and Kevin Daly recently published a large study of children in Computers in Human Behavior which found video game violence effects to be inconsequential with other factors controlled. And as for the notion of that violent media “desensitizes” users, recent results published by my student Raul Ramos found that exposure to violence on screen had no influence on viewer empathy for victims of real violence. (A study published by Holly Bowen and Julia Spaniol in Applied Cognitive Psychology similarly found no evidence for a desensitization effect for video games.) Finally, a review of the literature by the Swedish government in 2012 has joined the U.S. Supreme Court and the Australian government in concluding that video game research is inconsistent at best and riddled with methodological flaws.

In fact, during the years in which video games soared in popularity, youth violence has declined to 40-year lows. And while it’s natural, in such an emotional time, for people to search desperately for answers, that often results in misinformation. In 2007, after the Virginia Tech Massacre, pundits such as Dr. Phil immediately blamed video games. Only later did the official investigation reveal that the perpetrator was not a violent game player after all. In the Sandy Hook case, after the shooter was misidentified as Adam Lanza’s brother Ryan, the Facebook page of the video game Mass Effect (which Ryan “liked” on his own Facebook page) was attacked by angry hordes.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:24 PM

I wish they wouldn't even report on these NRA recommendations. All they are doing is legitimizing these so-called ideas.

Any "solution" that adds to the number of weapons, rather than reducing that number, is simply a smokescreen designed to deflect attention away from the real answer, (which is something that the NRA is deathly afraid of):

Less guns. Tougher restrictions on their sale and the outright ban of certain types of weapons and the ammunition they use.

Probably because the NRA is funded by the gun manufacturers, the people who make a profit from the pound of cure aren't interested in the ounce of prevention.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:35 PM

Pre-1960's there were no mass shooting of students in schools. So what happened between then and now? There were just as many guns out there as now.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:51 PM

Pre-1960's there were no mass shooting of students in schools. So what happened between then and now? There were just as many guns out there as now.

More guns per 100,000 pop in civilian hands and much more dangerous weapons (assault/military style forearms, ammunition and magazines) since the 1960's.

In its 2011 report "The Militarization of the U.S. Civilian Firearms Market," the non-partisan Violence Policy Center noted that "selling militarized firearms to civilians -- i.e., weapons in the military inventory or weapons based on military designs -- has been at the point of the industry's civilian design and marketing strategy since the 1980s." And in its 2011 annual report to investors, Smith & Wesson Holding Co. noted that there was a $489 million domestic, non-military market for "modern sporting rifles," a euphemism for auto-loading, assault-style rifles. Modern sporting rifles are perhaps the fastest-growing segment of the domestic long gun industry. From 2007 to 2011, according to the Freedom Group's most recent annual report, domestic consumer long gun sales grew at a compound annual rate of 3 percent; modern sporting rifle sales grew at a 27 percent rate.

Unless you want to make the argument that Americans are just by nature more mentally disturbed that other nations, guns seem to be the issue.

Is it guns ... or is it us? (Commentary)


Compare the rate of murder by gun in the United States to the rate in any other advanced industrial nation, and you’re forced to draw one of two conclusions: Either there are far more homicidal people in this country than just about anyplace else on Earth, or far more guns.


We must either be home to more people who succumb to murderous rage or who kill out of the coldest of calculations, or it’s easier to pick up a gun and start shooting here than in any comparable country.


And yet, I’ve never heard even the staunchest gun advocate make the case that Americans are inherently more homicidal than everyone else. They repeat ad nauseum that people, not guns, kill people; but they don’t argue that there’s something about Americans that make them kill more than their counterparts in other nations.


Meanwhile, look at the numbers. In the United States, there are 3.2 gun homicides per 100,000 residents every year. Switzerland has the next highest rate of any advanced Western democracy, at 0.7 per 100,000. After Switzerland, the rate drops to 0.5 in Ireland and Canada; 0.4 in Sweden and Finland; 0.2 in New Zealand, Spain and Germany; 0.1 in France, Britain and Australia; and a flat 0 in Japan.


Want to argue that we have 32 times the rate of dangerous mental illness that they have in Australia? That Americans are characterologically 16 times more murderous than Spaniards or Germans? I thought not.


But in America, people who snap are a hell of a lot more likely to have a gun close by. The rate of gun ownership in the United States is 89 per every 100 people. No other advanced society has a rate even close to that. In Austria, France, Germany, Norway and Sweden, the rate clusters between 30 and 32 guns per 100 people. In Britain, the rate is six guns for every 100 Brits.


The idea that guns make a place more dangerous rather than safer is borne out within the United States. The states with the highest level of gun homicides — Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama — are among those with the highest levels of gun ownership.


None of this is to argue against the need for better mental health treatment and counseling. But unless an incomprehensibly higher share of Americans are dangerously deranged than are Frenchmen, Aussies or Swedes, the way to bring down the number of deaths by gunshot is to reduce the number of guns.



That may not be quite the Sisyphean struggle that we assume. For one thing, as my American Prospect colleague Paul Waldman has pointed out, the percentage of Americans who own guns has been declining for decades. According to the University of Chicago’s General Social Survey, the percentage of households that reported owning guns declined from 54 percent in 1977 to 32 percent in 2010.


That shouldn’t be surprising: Fewer Americans live in rural areas, while the number of hunters has shrunk. At the same time, however, the number of guns abroad in the land has increased — because a minority of Americans are stocking up on handguns and rifles.


There’s a name for those gun buyers: Republicans. As the FiveThirtyEight blog noted, the 2010 General Social Survey showed that 50 percent of adult Republicans owned guns, while only 22 percent of adult Democrats did.


This gap in gun-ownership rates has swelled over the past 40 years: In the 1973 survey, 55 percent of Republicans and 45 percent of Democrats had a gun at home.


Polls suggest this gap will continue to widen: In the 2008 national exit polls, the percentage of Democrats with guns declined as the age cohorts grew younger, while the GOP rate of gun ownership was the same across all age groups.


Increasingly, then, it’s our shrinking Republican minority that is buying guns.


There are multiple ways to interpret this partisan split. In part, it reflects the continuing shift of the white, disproportionately gun-owning South into the Republican column. In part, it reflects the paranoid hysteria that right-wing media and the gun lobby stir up every time there is a Democratic victory.


But the numbers are plain: Just as the danger of gun violence rises with the number of guns, so the share of adamant opponents of gun control — disproportionately, gun owners and Republicans — is waning.


Making America safer by restricting the sale of guns is politically safer than many of our leaders believe.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:56 PM

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:04 PM

Firearms technology hasn't advanced all much in the last 50 years, with the possible exception of semiautomatic handguns and ammo, which are not assault weapons.

Also, if you look at things such as number of serial killers, and the gang problem, as well as groups like the KKK, over the last 100 years compared to the Western norm, it's clear that the U.S. has a lot of unique social issues.

Granted we have yet to see an equivalent to the likes of Mao, Stalin or Hitler produced by the American system as well.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:33 PM

Firearms technology hasn't advanced all much in the last 50 years, with the possible exception of semiautomatic handguns and ammo, which are not assault weapons.

Also, if you look at things such as number of serial killers, and the gang problem, as well as groups like the KKK, over the last 100 years compared to the Western norm, it's clear that the U.S. has a lot of unique social issues.

Granted we have yet to see an equivalent to the likes of Mao, Stalin or Hitler produced by the American system as well.


That is what I trying to say, guns have been around for more than 200 years in the US, but shootings in US schools was a rare event when society was more conservative. Back then there was a moral code where there was a sense of right and wrong. Now everything goes. Its now a permissive society where there are few boundaries. Between the 1930s and 1960s there was a code where violence and sex was censored in the media You don't see exploding head or chopped limbs in movies and tv shows pre-1960.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:35 PM

anyone else seeing the irony how the NRA is a "right" leaning group saying we need more armed guards in schools? Yet, the tea-party screams that Obama is a socialist trying to make us like China?



Norquist: Obama and Dems Using Newtown for 'Political Purposes'

By George Stephanopoulos | ABC OTUS News7 hrs ago

http://news.yahoo.co...s-politics.html

National Rifle Association board member and president of Americans for Tax Reform Grover Norquist said on Sunday that President Obama and Democrats are politicizing the Newtown tragedy by pushing for gun control.

"We ought to calm down and not take tragedies like this, crimes like this, and use them for political purposes," Norquist told me on "This Week." "President Obama has been president for four years. If he thought some gun control could solve this problem, he should have been pushing it years ago."

"Democrats had a majority in the House and a supermajority in the House and the Senate for the first two years that they were in office. If they thought that this was really an important issue they might have done something then. They didn't," he added.

Read a full transcript of this week's show HERE.

On Wednesday, Obama announced that Vice President Joe Biden would head a task force of leaders from across the country to evaluate solutions to reduce gun violence.

Norquist endorsed the recommendation made by NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre at a press conference on Friday to place armed guards in schools across the country.

Other members of the political roundtable pushed for what they called "common sense" gun laws.

Newark, N.J. Mayor Cory Booker, who is a member of the pro-gun control group Mayors Against Illegal Guns, said that there is more agreement than disagreement on measures to stop the mentally ill and criminals from acquiring weapons.

"I don't know if anybody here has seen somebody shot - I have," Booker said. "I don't know if anybody here has had to put their hand in somebody's chest, and try to stop the bleeding so that person doesn't die-I have. What frustrates me about this debate is that it is a false debate."

"Most of us in America including gun owners agree on things that would stop the kind of carnage that is going on in cities all across America," Booker said, adding that loopholes that allow criminals to buy guns in "secondary markets" should be closed.

Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan said that LaPierre's suggestion that the effect of a violent culture on the mentally ill has contributed to increased gun violence, but she believes that Congress should pursue some gun control measures.

"I am for the banning of the extended magazines and extended clips," Noonan said.

Editor and Publisher of The Nation Katrina vanden Heuvel said that focusing on the mentally ill is a distraction from the issue of gun violence.

"The mental illness argument has been used to evade action," vanden Huevel said. "More guns and bullets, more dead children."

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:02 PM

"I don't know if anybody here has seen somebody shot - I have," Booker said. "I don't know if anybody here has had to put their hand in somebody's chest, and try to stop the bleeding so that person doesn't die-I have. What frustrates me about this debate is that it is a false debate."

"Most of us in America including gun owners agree on things that would stop the kind of carnage that is going on in cities all across America," Booker said, adding that loopholes that allow criminals to buy guns in "secondary markets" should be closed.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:03 PM

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:11 PM

NRA’s LaPierre slams critics of school gun plan

By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News | The Lookout – 7 hrs ago

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Two days after suggesting a "good guy with a gun" be stationed at every school in the country in response to the deadly shootings in Newtown, Conn., National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre blasted critics of his plan.

In an interview broadcast on Sunday's "Meet The Press," LaPierre reiterated the statements he made Friday at a press conference in Washington, when he said the answer to preventing shootings like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary Sch00l is armed security in every school--in effect, protecting children with guns.

“If it’s crazy to call for putting police in and securing our schools to protect our children, then call me crazy," LaPierre said. “I think the American people think it’s crazy not to do it."

At one point during the often contentious exchange, host David Gregory held up a high-capacity magazine clip that carries 30 bullets, asking if the NRA would support a federal limit on the capacity of such clips.
"Isn't it just possible that we could reduce the carnage in a situation like Newtown?" Gregory asked.

"I don't believe that's going to make one difference," LaPierre responded.

"You're telling me that it's not a matter of common sense that if you don't have an ability to shoot off 30 rounds without reloading, that, just possibly, you could reduce the loss of life?" Gregory asked.

"I don't buy your argument for a minute," LaPierre said. "There are so many different ways to evade that, even if you had that."

“Is there no new gun regulation you would support?” an exasperated Gregory asked. LaPierre refused to answer.

At Friday's press conference, LaPierre--who did not take questions from reporters--argued that had someone at the school been armed, "innocent lives might have been spared."

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:12 PM

Most high schools have armed police officers, even in Vancouver.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:45 PM

That is what I trying to say, guns have been around for more than 200 years in the US, but shootings in US schools was a rare event when society was more conservative. Back then there was a moral code where there was a sense of right and wrong. Now everything goes. Its now a permissive society where there are few boundaries. Between the 1930s and 1960s there was a code where violence and sex was censored in the media You don't see exploding head or chopped limbs in movies and tv shows pre-1960.

However the marketing of assault weapons and number of such weapons has increased substantially.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 07:00 PM

I find it hard to agree with any gun enthusiasts arguments, because they all seem to come from a place of selfishness.

They care more about their own ability to own guns than they do about the safety of the general public. That has seemed pretty apparent from listening to most of them.


I think you are correct, but I think another part of the problem is dependency.

I can only assume many of these people have been well aqainted with guns since childhood, and they have never lived in society where people didnt think it was necessary to carry a gun.

My aunt used to live in Memphis, where basically every adult carried a gun. It was practically manditory.

When she lived with people up here in Canada she couldnt believe it. Nobody had a gun or felt the need to carry one. So, she decided she didnt need to carry one either and she never does anymore.

Now she feels safer without a gun. I wish I could explain this to all the gun-toters in America.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 08:18 PM

That is what I trying to say, guns have been around for more than 200 years in the US, but shootings in US schools was a rare event when society was more conservative. Back then there was a moral code where there was a sense of right and wrong. Now everything goes. Its now a permissive society where there are few boundaries. Between the 1930s and 1960s there was a code where violence and sex was censored in the media You don't see exploding head or chopped limbs in movies and tv shows pre-1960.


Which is why separation along cultural lines is probably the best solution at this point.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 08:24 PM

I find it hard to agree with any gun enthusiasts arguments, because they all seem to come from a place of selfishness.

They care more about their own ability to own guns than they do about the safety of the general public. That has seemed pretty apparent from listening to most of them.


"Selfish" is wanting to take away the rights and property of others, plus hundreds of years worth of tradition and lifestyle, for what?
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