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#1 Heretic

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:45 AM

Two protective fathers on opposite sides of the country donned their uniforms -- one military, one police -- for off-duty appearances as they accompanied their children to school and stood guard outside the school building this week to help them and other students feel safe.
Maryland police officer Frankie Stephens, 30, decided on Monday that he would accompany his daughter on her first day back at school since the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., where 20 children and six staff members were fatally gunned down last Friday.
Monday was Stephens' day off, and, dressed in his Cecil County Sheriff's Office uniform, he drove his daughter, 7-year-old Ava Stephens, to Perryville Elementary School in his patrol car.
"Initially, he planned to go and hang out in the parking lot for a little bit, but he decided to hang out and go in at lunchtime and so he had lunch with the first- and second-graders," Stephens' wife, Christie Stephens, said.
"We felt completely helpless when we heard about what had happened [in Connecticut], and here we are sending our kids back to school two days later. He wanted her to get there safely, so he went and he gave his business card to her teacher and the principal. It made us feel better," Christie Stephens added.

On the other side of the country, former Marine Sgt. Craig Pusley stood outside Hughson Elementary School in Hughson, Calif., in his Marine uniform Wednesday morning.
Pusley told ABC News affiliate KXTV that his actions were a direct result of the school shooting in Newtown.
"I'm part of a Marine Corps fraternity, and I started noticing online postings that if Marines stood in front of schools, we never would have had the Connecticut problem," Pusley told KXTV.
Hughson Elementary School Principal Laura Fong said, "He approached me and asked me if it would be OK if he stood in front of our flag pole this morning to make sure our parents and kids felt safe today as they arrived on our campus.
"There's no policy for something like this, but I didn't see why he couldn't stand in front and keep us safe," she told the station.
Pusley, who served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan while in the Marine Corps, said he hopes other Marines will follow his lead.
"Whether you're on active duty or not, this is an opportunity to stand up for what you believe in and show America this is what we do," Pusley said.
He said he plans to continue standing guard in front of Hughson Elementary School for the next 30 days.

http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=18026755


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"Pusley was likely copycatting Marine Staff Sgt. Jordan Pritchard, who was recently notified on behalf of the Marine Corps that he was not authorized to wear his uniform in public."

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Edited by Heretic, 21 December 2012 - 11:47 AM.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:49 AM

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please just re-name Off Topic to: Threads About Gun Control And Threads About How People React To That One Shooting In Connecticut Last Week
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 11:54 AM

please just re-name Off Topic to: Threads About Gun Control And Threads About How People React To That One Shooting In Connecticut Last Week


If there's something else you want to talk about, you're welcome to create a new thread.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:07 PM

If there's something else you want to talk about, you're welcome to create a new thread.


There's about 45 threads going right now that are all about the same topic.

Once I find a topic that's thoroughly morbid enough, I'm sure I'll post it. Christ knows this lot loves to latch onto the teat of tragedy
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:09 PM

There's about 45 threads going right now that are all about the same topic.

Once I find a topic that's thoroughly morbid enough, I'm sure I'll post it. Christ knows this lot loves to latch onto the teat of tragedy


Sounds like you're taking this personal.

Maybe Cultimultural Noise is more your speed....
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

Sounds like you're taking this personal.

Maybe Cultimultural Noise is more your speed....


Maybe I've just grown out of CDC. White Noise is a bunch of children spamming memes, and Off Topic is a bunch of middle aged people crying over tragedy and discussing traffic tickets, with the occasional atheist rant tossed in.

I guess we could make this more interesting.

Tell me, RUPERT, why do you think you're so attracted to bad news? If you don't think you're attracted to negativity (you are--but for the sake of conversation, we can remove yourself from it), why do you think most people love this negative stuff so much?
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:18 PM

There's actually not that many threads about this topic. But i guess this one ties in to the main shooting event thread.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:19 PM

There's about 45 threads going right now that are all about the same topic.

Once I find a topic that's thoroughly morbid enough, I'm sure I'll post it. Christ knows this lot loves to latch onto the teat of tragedy

Now that I think about it (never bothered to consider the types of topics they make), you're right. :lol:

As for the OP, I can only wonder where logic comes from with this guy.. how many shooters have come back from the dead to shoot up the same school again? How many living people have come back to kill a bunch of people where there was just a massacre only like a week or two prior? He'd be better served trying to change policy for the bigger picture in the future rather than going off the deep end with knee jerk.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:20 PM

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:26 PM

There's about 45 threads going right now that are all about the same topic.

Once I find a topic that's thoroughly morbid enough, I'm sure I'll post it. Christ knows this lot loves to latch onto the teat of tragedy


"This lot"? How about the whole freakin world. If you think that it's just a CDC condition to be attracted to tragedy, you're pretty sorely mistaken.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:35 PM

Only on CDC could a thread about a good deed turn into some pointless argument
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:46 PM

"This lot"? How about the whole freakin world. If you think that it's just a CDC condition to be attracted to tragedy, you're pretty sorely mistaken.


I don't disagree, but I do think there's an important difference.

The difference is that people "in the real world" are obsessed with simply informing each other _about_ tragedy, NOT its causes and how to fix it. "Did you hear a bunch of kids died in wherever!?!" or "turn on CNN, two planes crashed into the WTC!" That's much different than the "problem" with Off Topic.

Around here, many people can seemingly go from topic-to-topic, country-to-country with the remedy for countless social ailments. It's not information sharing, it's snobbery and ignorance tacked on to circumstantial information. The love for negativity is compounded with someone's opinions related to the 'facts,' as if they're one and the same. For how ill-informed and uneducated so many people around here are, you can literally find some extremely passionate opinions coming from the same source, on wildly complex and different issues. How can you guys take each other seriously?
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:09 PM

Maybe I've just grown out of CDC. White Noise is a bunch of children spamming memes, and Off Topic is a bunch of middle aged people crying over tragedy and discussing traffic tickets, with the occasional atheist rant tossed in.

I guess we could make this more interesting.

Tell me, RUPERT, why do you think you're so attracted to bad news? If you don't think you're attracted to negativity (you are--but for the sake of conversation, we can remove yourself from it), why do you think most people love this negative stuff so much?


I can't speak for anyone else, but this has long been a cause of mine.

The fact is, I hate guns. I understand people who hunt needing rifles and target shooters needing their pistols, but other than that, I don't believe anyone needs a gun. It absolutely baffles me why some people can't grasp the concept of more guns equals more shootings. I also can't figure out why some people feel the need to cling to the "right" to own assault weapons or handguns with removable ammo clips.

Ever since Columbine, I feel that it's incumbent upon me to remind those people who have their eyes closed, ears plugged and are humming "God Bless America" that I told them this would happen.

And you know what? If this latest bit of madness doesn't change the Americans' skewed version of reality, it's going to happen again. Quote me on it.

So I understand how you might be tired of seeing these types of threads, but myself, I'll never get tired of criticizing the gun lobby and it's rhetoric. Not until something changes.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:14 PM

I don't disagree, but I do think there's an important difference.

The difference is that people "in the real world" are obsessed with simply informing each other _about_ tragedy, NOT its causes and how to fix it. "Did you hear a bunch of kids died in wherever!?!" or "turn on CNN, two planes crashed into the WTC!" That's much different than the "problem" with Off Topic.

Around here, many people can seemingly go from topic-to-topic, country-to-country with the remedy for countless social ailments. It's not information sharing, it's snobbery and ignorance tacked on to circumstantial information. The love for negativity is compounded with someone's opinions related to the 'facts,' as if they're one and the same. For how ill-informed and uneducated so many people around here are, you can literally find some extremely passionate opinions coming from the same source, on wildly complex and different issues. How can you guys take each other seriously?


Who says we do? .. I know personally, once I stopped taking you seriously. my time here has become much more enjoyable ..
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:49 PM

There's about 45 threads going right now that are all about the same topic.

Once I find a topic that's thoroughly morbid enough, I'm sure I'll post it. Christ knows this lot loves to latch onto the teat of tragedy


Learn to count.

Only on CDC could a thread about a good deed turn into some pointless argument


Consider where it turned left at Albuquerque and the source.


Blah blah, same old blah blah blah.



OMG. nobody should evah discuss anything, evah :frantic: Close down all the message boards forthwith.


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:53 PM

I don't disagree, but I do think there's an important difference.

The difference is that people "in the real world" are obsessed with simply informing each other _about_ tragedy, NOT its causes and how to fix it. "Did you hear a bunch of kids died in wherever!?!" or "turn on CNN, two planes crashed into the WTC!" That's much different than the "problem" with Off Topic.

Around here, many people can seemingly go from topic-to-topic, country-to-country with the remedy for countless social ailments. It's not information sharing, it's snobbery and ignorance tacked on to circumstantial information. The love for negativity is compounded with someone's opinions related to the 'facts,' as if they're one and the same. For how ill-informed and uneducated so many people around here are, you can literally find some extremely passionate opinions coming from the same source, on wildly complex and different issues. How can you guys take each other seriously?


I honestly don't take anyone seriously on CDC. Whether it's attacks, snobbery, ignorance, or people taking things way to seriously (see: Jaw, Glass), I read, take it with a laugh, and move on. It just becomes all the funnier when people start to talk about how bad CDC is, while simultaneously going on CDC on a daily basis. The hypocrisy is just outstanding :lol:
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:55 PM

Maybe I've just grown out of CDC. White Noise is a bunch of children spamming memes, and Off Topic is a bunch of middle aged people crying over tragedy and discussing traffic tickets, with the occasional atheist rant tossed in.

I guess we could make this more interesting.

Tell me, RUPERT, why do you think you're so attracted to bad news? If you don't think you're attracted to negativity (you are--but for the sake of conversation, we can remove yourself from it), why do you think most people love this negative stuff so much?


You're right, you've outgrown it.

Besides, its an internet forum, there is no real definitive way you're supposed to conduct yourself...

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:14 PM

I can't speak for anyone else, but this has long been a cause of mine.

The fact is, I hate guns. I understand people who hunt needing rifles and target shooters needing their pistols, but other than that, I don't believe anyone needs a gun. It absolutely baffles me why some people can't grasp the concept of more guns equals more shootings. I also can't figure out why some people feel the need to cling to the "right" to own assault weapons or handguns with removable ammo clips.

Ever since Columbine, I feel that it's incumbent upon me to remind those people who have their eyes closed, ears plugged and are humming "God Bless America" that I told them this would happen.

And you know what? If this latest bit of madness doesn't change the Americans' skewed version of reality, it's going to happen again. Quote me on it.

So I understand how you might be tired of seeing these types of threads, but myself, I'll never get tired of criticizing the gun lobby and it's rhetoric. Not until something changes.


Fair enough. You've got a pony in this race, so it makes sense why you care. I think you're an exception, though, and not the CDC rule. Some posters, if not most, choose to rear their ugly heads when given the opportunity to blabber on about tragedy (seemingly) for entertainment value, not "legitimate" care. I say "seemingly" because--obviously--I don't know if it's true, but it seems the most likely explanation for their attitudes as they swing from horror-to-horror, like Tarzan riding his vines: hammer fisted, and monkey-minded
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:17 PM

There's actually not that many threads about this topic. But i guess this one ties in to the main shooting event thread.

It could be worse, but there have been more than a few locked of late (rightly so) and directed to continue the discussion in one of the ongoing threads.

This one is just a symbol of how people react to tragic situations. While the idea is excellent from a symbolic standpoint so soon after the initial event, to equate that to a need where there should be a marine or police officer at every school in the US at all times to prevent future attacks is the wrong approach.

Consider New York, where in an effort to combat obesity and diabetes they've put a limit on the size of soft drink you can purchase at restaurants, movie theaters, etc. What would be the more logical step to take in the wake of the school shooting - put more security in schools and allow teachers and admin staff to carry guns to protect themselves, or restrict access to multiples/types of firearms for the general public?

To be clear, I'm not saying ban firearms, but I am saying common sense should be more common. Should a member of the general public be able to buy anything other than a handgun or hunting rifle without stricter approval and permits than the standard gun licence? Should they be allowed to own more than a limited number of guns, again with exceptions involving stricter approval and permits?
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:29 PM

I honestly don't take anyone seriously on CDC. Whether it's attacks, snobbery, ignorance, or people taking things way to seriously (see: Jaw, Glass), I read, take it with a laugh, and move on. It just becomes all the funnier when people start to talk about how bad CDC is, while simultaneously going on CDC on a daily basis. The hypocrisy is just outstanding :lol:


As for the non-bold part, I have absolutely no idea who you are, or what you stand for, but I'll take your word for it.

The bold selection would be relevant to me if I had a history of throwing my two cents into the vast majority of the threads/conversations I'm criticizing. I don't. I largely avoid these political discussions like the plague, because I find them thoroughly embarrassing.

The majority of my posts in the last two years have come from discussion about movies and music, two forms of entertainment that breed subjective discussion, where insults and accusations of "logic failure" and name-calling aren't the norm (unless you're a metal head). Those threads don't thrive on the same arrogance and political correctness that dictate the "serious" threads, where people try to discuss an objective morality and logic (as if anyone around here even tries to iron out those details before responding)


Who says we do? .. I know personally, once I stopped taking you seriously. my time here has become much more enjoyable ..


Every time I type, you respond with something like this

Who are you? Why do you follow me around and type this stuff?
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:38 PM

I can't speak for anyone else, but this has long been a cause of mine.

The fact is, I hate guns. I understand people who hunt needing rifles and target shooters needing their pistols, but other than that, I don't believe anyone needs a gun. It absolutely baffles me why some people can't grasp the concept of more guns equals more shootings. I also can't figure out why some people feel the need to cling to the "right" to own assault weapons or handguns with removable ammo clips.

Ever since Columbine, I feel that it's incumbent upon me to remind those people who have their eyes closed, ears plugged and are humming "God Bless America" that I told them this would happen.

And you know what? If this latest bit of madness doesn't change the Americans' skewed version of reality, it's going to happen again. Quote me on it.

So I understand how you might be tired of seeing these types of threads, but myself, I'll never get tired of criticizing the gun lobby and it's rhetoric. Not until something changes.


Great post Rupert , i hate guns as well , but respect the right of responsible citizens to own one in controlled circumstances .
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:40 PM

Someone's been hitting the eggnog a little heavily....

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:01 PM

Seriously, guys...can we have one thread that doesn't end like this anymore?
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:16 PM

Seriously, guys...can we have one thread that doesn't end like this anymore?


unfortunately someone continually gets a free pass to be an ass around here
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:21 PM

unfortunately someone continually gets a free pass to be an ass around here


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:21 PM

Fair enough. You've got a pony in this race, so it makes sense why you care. I think you're an exception, though, and not the CDC rule. Some posters, if not most, choose to rear their ugly heads when given the opportunity to blabber on about tragedy (seemingly) for entertainment value, not "legitimate" care. I say "seemingly" because--obviously--I don't know if it's true, but it seems the most likely explanation for their attitudes as they swing from horror-to-horror, like Tarzan riding his vines: hammer fisted, and monkey-minded

I agree completely with what you say (if you notice, increasing amounts of people joke about tragedies now because of how often tragedy after tragedy is discussed and the fact that people don't want to sit there and mourn in every other discussion that comes across OT) but no one is going to listen to your criticism -- people on the forum aren't very introspective.

The best thing to do is either post less in general or post more in the type of topics (and create new topics) you wish to see more of.


unfortunately someone continually gets a free pass to be an ass around here

Actually it's several of them, including certain people that go around the forum acting like moderators all while slinging insults at posters. I have a hard time understanding where the line is drawn.

Edited by zaibatsu, 21 December 2012 - 03:24 PM.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:43 PM

I agree completely with what you say (if you notice, increasing amounts of people joke about tragedies now because of how often tragedy after tragedy is discussed and the fact that people don't want to sit there and mourn in every other discussion that comes across OT) but no one is going to listen to your criticism -- people on the forum aren't very introspective.

The best thing to do is either post less in general or post more in the type of topics (and create new topics) you wish to see more of.


I'm not one to praise, but you just summarized my meaning perfectly. Thanks!
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:44 PM

Actually it's several of them, including certain people that go around the forum acting like moderators all while slinging insults at posters. I have a hard time understanding where the line is drawn.



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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:46 PM

Besides, its an internet forum, there is no real definitive way you're supposed to conduct yourself...

That is not accurate.

See:
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:55 PM

That is not accurate.

See:
http://forum.canucks...es-please-read/


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