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Posted 22 December 2012 - 02:21 PM

Maybe we should create a new thread every single time someone dies in the US by a gun.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 02:30 PM

Maybe we should create a new thread every single time someone does in the US by a gun.


Or just the news scroll from CNN

Second thought, that would be very depressing.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:27 PM

I think we need to focus on caring for children at an early age while providing a loving environment for them. Put health and well being at the top of the list of priorities. Some may call that socialism and if it is then so be it.

I think until we legitimately care for those who have not been cared for, and raise our children with a loving hand and heart, these things will keep happening.

Maybe it isn't viable today, but I think it is something to strive for


There is already things like this in place, such as the Head Start program that targets young children in Preschool. While such things do help in the short term, most parents (especially neglectful ones in low socio-economic neighbourhoods) don't carry through with it and the children forget everything they learned by 1st or 2nd grade.This is just one program though that I've learned about.

I do indeed agree with you. If the US started caring about mental health moreso than their precious freedom to have a s*** load of guns, the nation would be a better place. Apparently, its just a lot easier to point fingers at video games, guns, and so forth than actually face and solve a problem. American politics for you, I guess..
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:33 PM

Here you go again with this crap...these things do not happen in the US "daily" and it CERTAINLY isn't a "norm". You should refrain from posting until you get your head out of your butt.


What? Thousands of gun related homicides happen every year in the USA. Pretty sure it's close to daily.

Silly American.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:35 PM

Well, it looks like its a norm now. You seem to be really out of touch with reality. I wonder how many gun shooting incidents go unreported?

You also seem to not be capable of posting without insulting people.


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:46 PM

What? Thousands of gun related homicides happen every year in the USA. Pretty sure it's close to daily.

Silly American.


Mass killings and excessive gun violence do not occur on a daily basis here.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:05 PM

Mass killings and excessive gun violence do not occur on a daily basis here.


According to the article, 3 people died. Tragic, but not out of the realm of possibility. Considering you have thousands upon thousands of homicides a year and guns are the weapon of choice for multiple homicides in the USA.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:20 PM

From one of the recent Sandy Hook articles:


Child Gun Deaths Nationwide Number Nearly 6 Newtown Massacres

In 2011, guns were used to murder 8,583 people living in the U.S., according to the most recent FBI data available. Among those murdered by guns, there were 565 young people under the age of 18, and 119 children ages 12 or younger -- the latter number nearly equivalent to six Newtown mass shootings. And these figures include only homicides.

Considering the number of homicides last year and only 364 days in a year, that makes it over 20 deaths a day. Spread out over all America, it stands to reason that somewhere in the US a gun is used to kill multiple people in the same incident on at least a fairly regular basis.

Now that that's out of the way, you can stop the back and forth about whether it happens often or not, and we can all agree better gun laws and mental health for everyone is a good thing that will hopefully help keeps these types of things from happening over and over again.

Plenty of people need mentally help and aren't getting it, and plenty of people have the right to more guns than they need. There is more than one opportunity here, common sense shows us that and certainly arguing that one person is more right than the other isn't going to help the people who aren't going to be spending Christmas with their families ever again.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:53 PM

How long before America finally does something to try and prevent these things from happening? Mental health and gun control are both problems. Either get help to these psychos, or take away their guns at least.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:57 PM

Why don't we guess at just how mentally unstable this guy was when he committed this crime and then wait to hear how many CDCers want to blame this on the gun.

This is something that I can't seem to get an answer about from the two or three gun defenders around here, M_M...

There are mentally unstable people all over the world. So why does this sort of thing happen so much more often in the US than in any other country?

This is why we blame the guns.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:59 PM

This is something that I can't seem to get an answer about from the two or three gun defenders around here, M_M...

There are mentally unstable people all over the world. So why does this sort of thing happen so much more often in the US than in any other country?

This is why we blame the guns.


Rupert I honestly have no idea why it happens in the US more often...maybe it's a huge collective paranoia or some kind of macho bullcrap...if anyone can find any research into this question you've asked maybe both of us could get an idea as to what the reason for this is.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:11 PM

Because both will never happen. It's one or the other, and I feel that better mental health services will cut out a lot of the violence as a bonus.


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:24 PM

Black man be free? Never!
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Two guys marry? Never!


I'm confused as to what you're insinuating in this post. I may be 100% against guns and quite frankly I'd be in favor of a full disarmament but I'm not naive enough to think there's a chance in hell of one ever taking place.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:27 PM

If America can't afford gun control and mental health funding, how is it they are building F-35's and new carriers and submarines?

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:21 PM

Rupert I honestly have no idea why it happens in the US more often...maybe it's a huge collective paranoia or some kind of macho bullcrap...if anyone can find any research into this question you've asked maybe both of us could get an idea as to what the reason for this is.

The question was somewhat rhetorical, MM.

In my mind, there really is no doubt whatsoever. These things happen with far more regularity in the United States than they do in the rest of the first world because the United States has far more guns than any of the other first world countries.

This is the point I've been trying to get across to Zaibatsu and Electro Rock. When you realize that mental illness and video games are not exclusive to the United States, you have to search for the thing that is. The answer is, an amount of guns that is equal to the population of the country.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:25 PM

How long before America finally does something to try and prevent these things from happening? Mental health and gun control are both problems. Either get help to these psychos, or take away their guns at least.


The man debating Don Lemon on CNN sounds as if he's against negotiating any ban/restrictions against automatic weapons and weapons with clips. Maybe this man needs to lose a brother or sister or his son or daughter to one of these weapons that he advocates for.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

The question was somewhat rhetorical, MM.

In my mind, there really is no doubt whatsoever. These things happen with far more regularity in the United States than they do in the rest of the first world because the United States has far more guns than any of the other first world countries.

This is the point I've been trying to get across to Zaibatsu and Electro Rock. When you realize that mental illness and video games are not exclusive to the United States, you have to search for the thing that is. The answer is, an amount of guns that is equal to the population of the country.


I'd just like to add that while mental illness isn't exclusive to the US, the lack of care and in some cases general apathy toward the mentally ill by lazy, incompetent doctors is fairly exclusive to the US. I can't think of any other first world country where the mentally ill are swept under the rug or doped with so much medication that they cannot function in their nation's "normal" society. In a way, these doctors are also indirectly responsible for people in this country being addicted to painkillers, muscle relaxers, psychotropic drugs like Prozac, Klonopin in my case...and thereby also responsible for the high rate of drug abuse in this country. It's pretty well documented that more people in the US have chosen these pharma poisons as their drugs of choice, and in my opinion...if they TRULY want to accomplish something in the "war on drugs" they oughta start with those, and leave me and my responsible toker friends alone.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 09:09 PM

Rupert I honestly have no idea why it happens in the US more often...maybe it's a huge collective paranoia or some kind of macho bullcrap...if anyone can find any research into this question you've asked maybe both of us could get an idea as to what the reason for this is.


The answer is that America owns 50% of guns that exist worldwide. We have a lot of psychos here in Canada too but instead of guns they use knives and ice picks to kill their victims. When you can buy AK-47s from walmart along with your milk, you shouldn't wonder why this keeps happening.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 09:14 PM

If America can't afford gun control and mental health funding, how is it they are building F-35's and new carriers and submarines?

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I guess that is their top priority. To make more weapons of mass destruction instead of preventing gun violence in their country. The excuse that they can't afford it is bull crap. They can afford it if they want to but they don't want to.
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Posted 22 December 2012 - 10:58 PM

I'm confused as to what you're insinuating in this post. I may be 100% against guns and quite frankly I'd be in favor of a full disarmament but I'm not naive enough to think there's a chance in hell of one ever taking place.


That's exactly what I mean. People said the exact same thing about blacks, women, etc... If you go into something believing it will never work or happen, well guess what, it won't. 50 years before women could vote if you suggested women would not only vote but be in positions of power as they are now, you would have been mocked off as a lunatic.

Doesn't mean it's easy, or straight forward, or maybe all doable now. But if your starting point is 'never going to happen' well, good luck trying to change anything.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:55 AM

The man debating Don Lemon on CNN sounds as if he's against negotiating any ban/restrictions against automatic weapons and weapons with clips. Maybe this man needs to lose a brother or sister or his son or daughter to one of these weapons that he advocates for.


Without a doubt he would change his opinion. Anyone in favour of the way the gun laws are now would.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:58 AM

I'd just like to add that while mental illness isn't exclusive to the US, the lack of care and in some cases general apathy toward the mentally ill by lazy, incompetent doctors is fairly exclusive to the US. I can't think of any other first world country where the mentally ill are swept under the rug or doped with so much medication that they cannot function in their nation's "normal" society. In a way, these doctors are also indirectly responsible for people in this country being addicted to painkillers, muscle relaxers, psychotropic drugs like Prozac, Klonopin in my case...and thereby also responsible for the high rate of drug abuse in this country. It's pretty well documented that more people in the US have chosen these pharma poisons as their drugs of choice, and in my opinion...if they TRULY want to accomplish something in the "war on drugs" they oughta start with those, and leave me and my responsible toker friends alone.


Well if they aren't going to fix the mental health problem, then getting rid of guns is the next best step. That way those people will be far less likely to obtain a gun.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 06:08 AM

The answer is that America owns 50% of guns that exist worldwide. We have a lot of psychos here in Canada too but instead of guns they use knives and ice picks to kill their victims. When you can buy AK-47s from walmart along with your milk, you shouldn't wonder why this keeps happening.


First...AK-47s in Wal-Mart? I want whatever you're smoking...because this is so ridiculous I am not even going to put together a well-thought out response.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 06:13 AM

That's exactly what I mean. People said the exact same thing about blacks, women, etc... If you go into something believing it will never work or happen, well guess what, it won't. 50 years before women could vote if you suggested women would not only vote but be in positions of power as they are now, you would have been mocked off as a lunatic.

Doesn't mean it's easy, or straight forward, or maybe all doable now. But if your starting point is 'never going to happen' well, good luck trying to change anything.


Dude my starting point is "never going to happen" because first of all I live here in the god damned USA, and second of all, I'm a realist. I'll make this perfectly clear. This is not a women's issue, or a civil rights issue...so I have no idea why you were drawing any sort of comparison between them and GUNS for **** sake...If you didn't grow up here, go to school here..YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW INDOCTRINATED THESE PEOPLE ARE....both about GUNS...and "GOD". They are fanatics for both...and if you think for a second...that in this barbaric society you are EVER going to get these people to give up their guns willingly....you have lost your ****ing mind.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 09:07 AM

There is already things like this in place, such as the Head Start program that targets young children in Preschool.

An unfortunate choice ot adjective given the present environment.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 09:50 AM

Loss of community + Lack of mental health resources + Too many guns = Get used to these types of events.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:30 AM

Dude my starting point is "never going to happen" because first of all I live here in the god damned USA, and second of all, I'm a realist. I'll make this perfectly clear. This is not a women's issue, or a civil rights issue...so I have no idea why you were drawing any sort of comparison between them and GUNS for **** sake...If you didn't grow up here, go to school here..YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW INDOCTRINATED THESE PEOPLE ARE....both about GUNS...and "GOD". They are fanatics for both...and if you think for a second...that in this barbaric society you are EVER going to get these people to give up their guns willingly....you have lost your ****ing mind.


Dude, I have lived in the states, and this is issue is as big as women's rights etc. If you start anything with 'never gonna happen' well you've guaranteed your result.

Ps. I'm writing this from LAX. My eyes are open for gun toting crazies.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:50 AM

Dude, I have lived in the states, and this is issue is as big as women's rights etc. If you start anything with 'never gonna happen' well you've guaranteed your result.

Ps. I'm writing this from LAX. My eyes are open for gun toting crazies.


Yeah well I'm writing this from Podunk, NC...there are gun-toting crazies all around me. You come live in the South for about a month and then revisit whether this has a snowball's chance in hell of ever happening. You try to take away these people's guns...and there WILL be a revolt...I will guarandamntee it.

Listen man...I'm all for getting rid of these military grade weapons 100% there's no reason for civilians to possess them...but if you're even hinting at some kind of full gun ban you have blinders on.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:55 AM

Yeah well I'm writing this from Podunk, NC...there are gun-toting crazies all around me. You come live in the South for about a month and then revisit whether this has a snowball's chance in hell of ever happening. You try to take away these people's guns...and there WILL be a revolt...I will guarandamntee it.

Listen man...I'm all for getting rid of these military grade weapons 100% there's no reason for civilians to possess them...but if you're even hinting at some kind of full gun ban you have blinders on.


Not sure where I ever said gun ban? Things change. Just because it seems unlikely or is hard is no excuse to do nothing.
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