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#1 Zoolander

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 08:42 PM

Alright, so after these two trades, we'd have youth, veteran experience, skill and size to go along with it. The explanations beneath explain why I think these trades are fair value.

To VAN- Kadri,Gunnarsson, 2013 1st rd pick
To TOR-Luongo,Schroeder

To VAN- Tarosenko, Sobotka
To STL- Edler's Rights, Raymond

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Kadri
Higgins-Tarosenko-Hansen
sobotka-Lapierre-Kassian

Bieksa-Hamhuis
Gunnarson-Garrison
Tanev-K-Conn/Ballard/Alberts

The beauty about this line-up is that Kadri, and Tarosenko can both play RW/C so they can alternate. Between Burrows,Kadri,Tarosenko,Hansen, and Kassian we have 5 capable RW'ers to move around as AV sees fit. Not to mention Lapierre also can play the wing.

I think these trades are fair value for all 3 teams.

St.Louis: Loses a potential star-forward but gains a 50pt d-man to play with Pietriangelo. And it's not like St.Louis isn't a nice place to live, it's a great city. They would have the money, and the means to re-sign him when the time came.Raymond also gives them a speedy young forward. He is a risk, but he could become a 20g scorer again, especially while playing with bigger, stronger players in St.Louis who won't allow crap to happen after the whistles or cheap shots. Sobotka gives us a 4th line grinder who agitates and isn't afraid to drop the gloves/lay a hit even though he isn't that big.

Toronto: Gains a franchise goalie for years to come. Luongo actually plays best when he is under heavy-fire/lots of shots. This should fit perfectly with TO's run-and-gun style. Also, Gunnarson might fall down the depth chart with Rielly, and Blacker set to join the team soon, and the emergence of Gardiner. Burke loves American prospects and Schroeder should fit right into his system.

Vancouver: Loses a 50pt D-Man but gains an all-around good defenceman who doesn't make many mistakes and can fill big minutes that Edler would normally fill. We also gain 2 very skilled, young forwards who can contribute NOW. Not to mention a draft pick!
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

no idea why st louis would even do this considering Edlers comments and him being a pending UFA
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 08:58 PM

no idea why st louis would even do this considering Edlers comments and him being a pending UFA


What comments? And yes, he is a pending UFA, but they have the money to throw at him, and living in St.Louis isn't exactly like living in Columbus.

Edited by Zoolander, 23 December 2012 - 08:58 PM.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:30 PM

St-louis could just wait until the 1st july then have a shoot at signing Edler.

and Keep one of the best prospect of the league in the process.

Its surely better than acquiring Edler's right without any guarantee he would sign there.

Edited by palindrom, 23 December 2012 - 10:32 PM.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:37 PM

St-louis could just wait until the 1st july then have a shoot at signing Edler.

and Keep one of the best prospect of the league in the process.

Its surely better than acquiring Edler's right without any guarantee he would sign there.


Conditions can be added.

And we would only make this deal (Atleast I would) If we were unable to sign Edler.

St.Louis would then have a better shot a signing him since they would have the cap space to accommodate the salary he would want in order to sign there (Whatever it would be)

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 23 December 2012 - 10:38 PM.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 11:43 PM

Tarasenko plays center now?
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 11:46 PM

Isn't Tarasenko one of STL's most valued prospects? Why wouldn't they just take a chance and wait for July 1, rather than give up their top prospect? I also don't think they'd trade Sobotka, he's much like Hansen but with a little more upside imo.
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 12:20 AM

No idea why Vancouver gets Kadri in the package, instead of Bozak.
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 12:38 AM

No idea why Vancouver gets Kadri in the package, instead of Bozak.

Because Kadri is a former top 10 pick, skilled forward with high potential who has been treated like crap in Toronto, whereas Bozak is a UFA in seven months.
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 02:49 AM

Tarasenko would be great, but Gunnarson is not a replacement for Edler. I could see it working if Ballard really was able to step into the top 4 role in Edler's place, but I don't see him returning to 20+ points anytime soon. He seems on track to improve his consistency and reliability, but little else, so we can't just lose Edler's 40-50 points and hope Gunnarson at ~20 points will fill the hole.

Now if Schultz had decided to come here, he could have partnered well with Garrison on the second pairing in the event we knew we weren't going to sign Edler. That would at least make a much more plausible offensive pairing, if still unproven long term at the pro level. But, since we probably are going to re-sign Edler, I think we'll keep him rather than trade him.

Edited by elvis15, 24 December 2012 - 02:50 AM.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:18 AM

No way Tarasenko could replace Luongo
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 12:40 PM

Having Tarasenko would be sick, but I can't see STL giving him up, and frankly, I find it hard to imagine MG trading for a Russian.
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