When you begin worrying about the Canucks future you should look to small trades like these.
I addressed your comment on "small trades like these":
That would be the best way to improve the club.
So what the heck is it? Are we talking about "small trades" or "viable hockey trades"? You say that "small trades" in the first comment, and then say that you are speaking to a completely different point in the second.
Answer this question: what the heck are you expecting from "small trades" like these? We can talk about "viable hockey trades" later.
You go on with:
Sulzer-Buffalo Sabres-15gp 3g,5a
Gragnani-With no intention of re-singing Gragnani the Canucks unsuccessfully attempted to trade him at the 2012 NHL Entry Draft. Unable to move Gragnani Vancouver chose not to give him a qualifying offer.
Gragnani joins Hurricanes for $800,000.00.
Sulzer re-signed by Sabres for $725,000.00.
Yes, the great irony of the defense-minded Sulzer scoring some points and the offense-minded Gragnani not really getting anything much while he was here. Gosh, that kind of turn-about has never happened before in professional sports, except for that Rome guy who missed the first 14 games of last season and then scored 3g 2a in his first four games back. Yeah, another scoring powerhouse Gillis let walk (although I didn't mind Rome as a bottom pairing/depth guy).
Do you believe Sulzer would have scored those kind of points with the Canucks on a regular basis? (Come to think of it, would he have even been able to clear waivers to come up here and try to score those kind of points had the team thought he might be worth a try?) Or are you suggesting that Sulzer will be a 20+ goal, 50+ point guy for the Sabres?
As previously mentioned, I suspect that Sulzer was leaving the Canucks' organization at the end of the season. If you have a different view which would explain why he would like to stay as a AHL'er with the Canucks, please share.
I would be okay with Sulzer doing well in Buffalo. In his career I think he was always in a position where he was a bottom pairing d-man on a team with with a lot of options on who to use on defense (Nashville, the Canucks, even the Panthers). Now, he might be able to make it with an NHL club.
The point you are trying to make is that Gillis gave up something to get Gragnani, and in the end had nothing, ergo Gillis is a failure, right?
That Gragnani didn't work out is no great loss. To get him the Canucks gave up a guy who was (IMO) leaving the organization at the end of the season (see above comments on Sulzer). They got a chance to see if they could do something with the Gragnani, and it didn't pan out. Do you suggest that the Canucks are that much poorer for his departure?
And the extra $75,000 between Sulzer and Gragnani did nearly break the bank..., however, I was making a reference to guys like Joslin or Mullen who were signed on as depth d-men for at $700,000 and $600,000 to play in Chicago.
Oreskovich-Disappeared off the hockey map.
Yeah, one team trades a guy to another team, and two years later he actually winds up in the SCF with a 3rd team. Obviously, Gillis screwed up for trading Bernier, and Tallon screwed up for not qualifying Bernier, and the Devils must be such a good organization for taking him in. A guy they signed first to their AHL affliate and later to a 2-way deal must be the reason that the Devils got to the finals, yes?
Bernier did play well (at times) during the playoffs. He also had some bad moments (like the major penalty/game misconduct in game 6 of the finals). Will Bernier continue to play at this somewhat higher level remains to be seen. Heck, perhaps he's a late bloomer and the Devils are the lucky guys who have him under contract. Good for him, but I'm not losing any sleep over it if it does happen.
As with the Sulzer/Gragnani situation, the Canucks knew what they had in Bernier and moved him for a guy who they thought they might be able to develop. It didn't work out. Nothing of significance was lost. Oh well, move on.
Edited by Gollumpus, 31 December 2012 - 09:35 AM.