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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:24 AM

An interesting blog by Pierre Lebrun got me thinking, what would be enough for the NHL to win you back besides just ending the season?

Be realistic, they arent going to lower ticket prices or crap like that. But they acknowledge those who are season ticket holders and keep their subscription.

Read his blog first:

10 ways for NHL to recover from lockout

By Pierre LeBrun | December 26, 2012 10:00:21 AM PST


Letís look ahead to the moment when this abominable, revolting and shameful NHL lockout finally ends.

Whether thatís this season or next, who knows at this point?

But either way, the road to win back the hearts of fans will be a long one.

With that in mind, here are my 10 recommendations for the NHL for when it ever opens shop again -- moves that I believe would help the league make itself more appealing to fans and regain some form of relevancy in the marketplace:

1. Give away the NHL Center Ice package for the entire season after you return, as well as the Game Center package online. If youíre going to beg fans to return, might as well make it easy on them.

2. Ensure that realignment happens for the 2013-14 season. The buzz that surrounded the realignment conversation last season during the NHLís failed attempt at switching up its conferences and divisions was surreal. Fans loved debating the future look of the league. The NHLPA, which blocked realignment last year, must work with the NHL to make realignment happen for next season. Itís what the fans want.

3. Add a "play-in" round to the playoffs. Depending on realignment, this could take on different forms. But the essence of it in my book is that you have four teams play a preliminary playoff round, two concurrent best-of-three series (perhaps two teams playing each other in the East and two in the West), to determine the final 16 spots in the playoff dance.

4. Bring back the World Cup of Hockey, but make it permanent. More importantly, have the tournament played in February every four years, right smack in the middle of the NHL season -- just like the Olympics. And yes, send your NHL players to the Olympics. So in February 2014, youíve got NHL players in Sochi, Russia, followed by a new World Cup of Hockey in Toronto/Montreal/New York/Philadelphia/Boston in February 2016, etc. So every two years you either have the best in the world playing in the Olympics or the World Cup. Playing it in February instead of September, like the old Canada Cups/World Cup, would bring more legitimacy to the event. As for the All-Star Game, all of you know Iíd like to see it canned. But for the kids out there who still get a kick out of it, I can live with having All-Star Games in the years we donít have a World Cup or an Olympics.

5. Letís bring in Ken Hollandís idea regarding three-on-three overtime as a way to freshen up the overtime/shootout format. You still play four-on-four for five minutes, but if thereís still no goal scored, you also play a three-on-three, five-minute period. If thereís still no goal, then you get your shootout. Three-on-three, wide open would be exciting to watch. Plus by lowering the number of shootouts, given that the three-on-three would end more games, you preserve the novelty of the shootout so it doesn't become a tired exercise. Right now there are too many shootouts deciding games.

6. Shorten the preseason, start the regular season the third week of September and make sure there's not a single playoff game played past May 31. People don't want hockey in June. OK, so maybe thatís the Canadian in me, but Iím going with it anyway.

7. Change the start of free agency from July 1 to an extension of draft weekend. So when the draft ends on that Saturday in the third week June, I would make Day 1 of free agency that Sunday and keep all 30 NHL front offices (and player agents would be welcome, for obvious reasons) in the draft city for three to four days to create a huge buzz for the start of free agency.

8. In a similar vein, why not also gather all 30 front offices in the same arena for NHL trade deadline day? Make it an even bigger media event with fans in the stands when trades are announced?

9. Strongly study the merits of having NHL teams in Europe. I'd move my six weakest NHL markets to Europe and create a European division. I know people will laugh when reading this, but Iím dead serious. Unlike some southern U.S. markets, you donít have to explain the icing rule to folks in Helsinki, Stockholm, Prague, Zurich, Berlin and Moscow. They love and know the game there. I know there are travel issues that make this less than perfectly ideal, but itís worth it.

10. And finally, the NHL and NHLPA should agree to a 20-year CBA with mutual options to back out in Years 7, 11, 15 and 18. I would think 20 years of labor peace sounds pretty good to everybody who cares about this game right about know.


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:30 AM

I really like everything that Pierre LeBrun said, though I think the NHL is too cheap and stupid to do any of it

Sucks for us, of course as usual :(

Good read though, 10/10
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:35 AM

My opinion: the Center Ice offer would be extremely enticing for me to come back and watch as many games as I wanted, and not miss out or have to find a stream online.

Realignment I hate the thought of it, the four divisons and playoff format stinks and isnt fair for all teams.

European teams? Hell no, the Canucks have enough travel issues and plus I dont want to watch games early in the day, most people will be at school or work, but I believe this has zero percent chance so I'm not worried.

World Cup would be great, cut the All Star game the year of the tournament, revenues from such an event would be massive!

The Free Agency proposal is an interesting one, maybe not to the extreme as Pierre suggests, but having it a day after the draft could be nice.

Preseason, cut it down and end it earlier I agree, rather have games start sooner.

Last but not least, long term stability in a long CBA agreement!

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:51 AM

I like 1 and 2, maybe 4, but no to the rest.

3) You're basically killing the 8th seeds. They're going to be battered going into a #1 vs #8 seed playoff series, giving the #1 seed an even larger advantage than they previously had. Also, it doesn't work at all with the proposed re-alignment discussed in the second suggestion (where it would be #1 vs #2 in each of the 8 conferences). Strongly dislike.

4) I don't think we really need a World Cup/Olympics style event every 2 years and, I mean, come on, let's face it. If owners don't want to go in for the Olympics, what makes you think they'll go in on the Olympics AND a World Cup? I'm not against a World Cup, but reality suggests it isn't going to happen.

5) I'd rather have a 20-minute 5-on-5 OT with a tie at the end (so it's only a 3-point game if someone actually scores in OT) than 5 minutes of 4-on-4, 5 minutes of 3-on-3, then 5 minutes of 1-on-0 ... I don't see 3-on-3 as being any more legitimate in deciding a winner than a shootout, personally.

6) Start 2 weeks earlier, stop 2 weeks earlier ... I don't really see where the advantage is.

7) What's more Canadian than Free Agent Frenzy? July 1 and Free Agency belong together, IMO.

8) God no

9) God no

10) LOL

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:10 AM

The only thing that can win me back is if the NHL and the PA agree on a long-term deal (think 10-15 years long). No more of this stupid "play 7 years and then lockout" crap. As a spectator, I can't put up with the uncertainty anymore, and I'd much rather become a fairweather bandwagoner than a bleeding heart league enthusiast.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:17 AM

Nothing they can do will get me back because they have proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they couldn't care less about the fans or the game itself. Liars and hypocrites aren't worthy of my time or money.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:22 AM

Im easy as much as many on here...jsut start playing again lol
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:53 AM

An interesting blog by Pierre Lebrun got me thinking, what would be enough for the NHL to win you back besides just ending the season?

Be realistic, they arent going to lower ticket prices or crap like that. But they acknowledge those who are season ticket holders and keep their subscription.

Read his blog first:



http://m.espn.go.com...me=nhl&id=20867


Seems like an idiot to me.

Want the fans back? Start playing again. It just that simple.


1 - Never happen. Free preview at the beginning... maybe. Free all year... ha ha ha.

2 - Obviously part of this CBA negotiation.

3 - No.

4 - World cup of hockey, formerly Canada Cup, was played August/September before training camp. That's better than having players missing with mid-season injuries and gives us more year round hockey to watch. Win/win.

5 - Could take it or leave it. Doesn't bother me the way it is.

6 - People don't want hockey in June? Most I know go into withdrawal when hockey is done. Preseason is short enough as it is.

7 - No. Teams that make the finals should get some amount time to negotiate new deals.

8 - You want it televised which GM is talking to which GM? Can't see it happening.

9 - A big fat NO! Travel is ridiculous as it is. Can you imagine the whining on this board with a 9am weekday start time for the Canucks playing in Europe?

10 - Good luck with that one.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 04:54 AM

Nothing they can do will get me back because they have proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they couldn't care less about the fans or the game itself. Liars and hypocrites aren't worthy of my time or money.


And yet here you are on their hockey message board.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:00 AM

They can get me back by giving us hockey back, and firing Bettman.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:54 AM

1. I love this idea, this would actually be really enticing, and would certaintly win over alot of fans.

2. I like the idea of realignment I just don't like how the last one was proposed, if that is the realignment they are suggesting then no.

3. I don't like this idea, I like the playoffs the way they are now.

4. I love this idea, I love the World Cup, the last one was so much fun to watch. I would love this idea.

5. I like this idea too, It's exciting because of the variables that would go into it, like if you would put 2D and 1F or 2F and 1D or maybe 3F, but if there are penalites, 3 on 2 seems kinda much for me, that's my only issue otherwise I like it.

6. I like having Hockey in June myself, I'm fine with the pre-season being the way it is, it just extends the overall length of the NHL season which I want to be as long as possible so I can enjoy as much NHL hockey as possible. Keep it the way it is.

7. No, I like it the way it is now.

8. I also like this the way it s now, no need for change.

9. I actually like it, I think it is far far far away from happening (If ever) but honestly European countries have some very passionate fan bases, it's unrealistic because of the travel. This is just to hard to do, interesting idea but too unrealistic.

10. Well that would be nice but I doubt it will happen.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 08:01 AM

There's this misconception that us Canadians will easily go back to the NHL..

The people who suggest this forget we have far more other means of enjoying hockey than merely watching the NHL. Also, there are other professional leagues in North America who don't regularly have such extended work stoppages.

The NHL can win me back by getting a time machine and pulling it's head out from it's ass to show it cares for it's fans and people who rely on it's business for a living by avoiding yet another lockout rather than using it as a negotiating tactic and likely killing a second season in the last decade. This lockout to me was the straw that broke the camel's back for this league, made me completely fed up with it.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 08:49 AM

Honestly....I'll be back the second a deal is announced. First roaring anthem and opening puck-drop and I'll be right as rain.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 09:26 AM

There's much to like on that list, but not all of it. I'm at the point where I may not even bothering to follow a shortened season if there is one. I'm probably just lying to myself though. If the Canucks start putting a good string of wins together I would probably be back in a heartbeat.

As for the list...

1 - I have no interest in Game Center in the first place so making it free wouldn't sway me at all.

2 - Absolutely. Division realignment was a great idea. I know there were a lot of complainers about fairness, but with a couple of tweaks I think the NHL can make it work. I grew up watching 4 division hockey with one division having an extra team. It never seemed to be a problem then. Granted, you really had to suck to miss the playoffs back then.

3 - I like the playoff team ratio the way it is now, but I have a feeling this is going to happen. My prediction is that they will move to 4 divisions, and the top 5 teams from each division will make it in. The first round will be a quick best-of-3 between the 4th and 5th seeds. I don't like it, but that's my prediction.

4 - I like it. I used to love the Canada Cup and I went to the World Cup game when it was in Vancouver. I would keep the World Cup in September though. I know the NHL owners have an issue with the Olympics, but that's because they don't make any money off of it. Having the World Cup might balance that out.

5 - I don't like this one. We've tweaked OT enough as it is. What I would change though is the point system. 3 points for a regulation win, 2 for an OT (or SO) win, 1 for an OT (or SO) loss. That way 3 points are awarded for every game, not just the ones that go to OT.

6 - I like this one too. Except I would take it a little further. Have training camp in August. Start the season on Labour Day.

7 - Leave free agency where it is. The teams need time between the end of the playoffs and the start of free agency to get their free agents signed before they hit the open market.

8 - I don't think this would work as a TV event.

9 - I would rather see a Memorial Cup style tournament with the Stanley Cup Champion, KHL Champion and European Champion. Still, a European division could work. If WHL teams can make an Eastern bus swing through Saskatchewan and Manitoba, why can't NHL teams make an annual trek through the European division?

10 - If there are options for either to back out, is it really a 20 year CBA? I don't mind a 5 or 7 year deal. We just needs guys at the top of the NHL and NHLPA that know how to work together to get a mutually beneficial deal, rather than the combative egos we see there now.

I would also add in...

Change players' gear so that there are no hard caps on elbows and shoulders. Make it a little safer out there.

Get rid of the trapezoid.

Change the puck over the glass rule to a defensive zone faceoff with no line change (same as icing).

Have players serve their entire penalty even if a goal is scored. Along those lines, also have a player serve their penalty even if it's a delayed penalty and a goal is scored before he can head to the box.

Increase the draft age to 19 for the 2nd round and beyond. It would lead to more reliable drafting. Exceptional players could still get drafted at 18, they would just have to get taken in the first round.

Still... for any of this to happen, they have to actually get a deal first. Come on guys, it shouldn't be this difficult...
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 10:27 AM

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:07 AM

If the NHL wants to seriously win me back as an avid fan and spend the amount of time/money on hockey games and merchandise then they will find a way to create a time machine so they can go back to 2004 and stop that lockout as well as this lockout from ever happening. Then maybe I would be as committed to the NHL as I once was.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:05 PM

Received an email from my ticket representative this morning, responding to an email I sent to him Nov 22 and Dec 19 (no reply after the first one). He indicated that since season ticket holders haven't received their refunds, what the organization is doing to make it up to us is that we will be receiving interest at a much higher rate than what banks would be able to compete with.

Haven't responded yet. But to me, that's not good enough. First off, I invest my money just fine without the aid of the NHL. Secondly, and more important, I didn't buy season tickets to the Jets so they can hold my money, earn interest on it themselves, then give me a refund with a pretty pathetic return on my investment.

I really hope this isn't their strategy to get their fans to come back. If so, that's pretty sad. "Hey guys, thanks for sticking with us for a third lockout. Now, the game isn't more exciting and we won't be lowering ticket prices, but we will refund your money from your deposit, with interest." Uh, thanks.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:47 PM

Actually playing would be an excellent start.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:53 PM

The league could ignore all of this and just promise that there will never be another lockout. That would be good enough.

But that ain't gonna happen, so forget about it.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:20 PM

Giving away the centre ice package could work. Above all I'd like to see Bettman axed, I don't want him affiliated with this league if I'm going to continue being a fan. In terms of merchandise, they've lost me. I will watch every Canucks game on TV but I am not paying a dime for any Canucks tickets or apparel. Time for the NHL's 'businessmen' to learn they shouldn't piss off the consumer.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

I don't think the NHL can ever fully win me back. They've left a permanent scar on me that cuts deep. The only real thing that would get my hopes up would be to fire Bettman, Daley, and the entire NHL old boys club front office (which will never happen) The NHL is in a major funk under this leadership and if the interaction of Jeremy Jacobs during this lockout doesn't convince you the NHL in the very least had a "bias" for the Bruins winning the cup in 2011 I don't know what will. No one will ever convince me that the NHL doesn't have an agenda/bias for certain teams south of the boarder winning at all cost. My second biggest pet peeve is the lack of scoring and lacrosse size goaltenders.Drastically shrink the goalie equipment or increase the size of the nets. Something to increase scoring. Last years second half of the season and playoffs proved that the dead puck clutch and grab era is definitely back.

But yeah, whether or not the season gets saved this year or not it doesn't really matter to me anymore. I would almost relish watching the league slowly crumble at the hands of the greedy parties involved.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:04 PM

Dramatically slash ticket prices.

It's the only way.

Too many of us normal people have been priced out of going to games.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:14 PM

I want free season tickets for life.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:21 PM

That LeBrun article is far-fetched IMO.

Not much they can do to win me back. I'll still watch games on TV and frequent this site but other than that, I won't be supporting this league for a while...bunch of greedy bastards who obviously don't care AT ALL about their customers.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:23 PM

Get rid of the loser point, or 3 points for a regulation win.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:25 PM

How about call the playoffs consistently with the regular season.

=Vancouver Canucks win the Cup.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

I don't think the NHL can ever fully win me back. They've left a permanent scar on me that cuts deep. The only real thing that would get my hopes up would be to fire Bettman, Daley, and the entire NHL old boys club front office (which will never happen) The NHL is in a major funk under this leadership and if the interaction of Jeremy Jacobs during this lockout doesn't convince you the NHL in the very least had a "bias" for the Bruins winning the cup in 2011 I don't know what will. No one will ever convince me that the NHL doesn't have an agenda/bias for certain teams south of the boarder winning at all cost. My second biggest pet peeve is the lack of scoring and lacrosse size goaltenders.Drastically shrink the goalie equipment or increase the size of the nets. Something to increase scoring. Last years second half of the season and playoffs proved that the dead puck clutch and grab era is definitely back.

But yeah, whether or not the season gets saved this year or not it doesn't really matter to me anymore. I would almost relish watching the league slowly crumble at the hands of the greedy parties involved.


Good post and I second that.
What you had mentioned plus the following is what the nhl needs to do to get me back:

- overhaul the rulebook and retrain ALL nhl referees to actually be of nhl caliber instead of ahl caliber.

- lower ticket prices; not a lot, but some.

- use instant replay to overturn incorrect calls during the game... its 2012 ffs.

- provide a discount on merchandise for a period of time so that I can actually afford a jersey for a change

- come to my house and bake me some brownies and give me a foot rub

.. that would about do it.. but I may think of a couple other things :D


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:09 PM

1. start the season
2. there is nothing else.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:25 PM

1. start the season
2. there is nothing else.


so all the nhl needs to do is nothing different? You are willing to support them regardless of all this? Talk about a perfect NHL fan according to the NHL.. I bet they wish all fans would be so complacent..
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:44 PM

Wow, did the NHL pay LeBrun to pen a "Red Herring" article?
This thing is FULL of who-cares proposals.

First. no ticket price drop? strike three on the first pitch. That was easy.
But for the sake of arguement lets look at the rest of this mess.

1. no brainer, but not enough, too many games I don't care about.
2.Bigger no brainer, this should never have been on the table, (remember lst year it was supposed to be a barganing chip) it has not even come up yet.
3. No, less gimmicks not more
4. No, not more games for stars mid-season, I don't like the Allstar game or the Olympics
5. No, see 3 above^^ , I could write a whole article about lame rules that need changing, wrong direction all together
6. Don't care
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9. that would be good
10. how is a 20 year deal with 4 negotiation windows any better than stiking every 7 years? they both need to "Show" the fans they have grown up and can negotiate.
Nice try Pierre, thats 1 yes, 2 no-brainers, 3 nos, 4 Don't cares and a partridge in a pear tree
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