Franksedin Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 So to preface the whole exercise here I'll start by saying this would probably never work due to NTC and cap considerations, but I am not the biggest Kesler fan so thought I would throw this out there for people to talk about. To Van: either Grigorenko and Foligno Or Grigorenko and Armia (plus insert picks...) *** think Mike Richards asking price To Buffalo: Kesler (plus insert whatever...) Why: Buffalo has lots of young talent (Coho, Ennis, Girgensons, McNabb, Pysyk...) so can afford to lose some youth, and they have lots of skill forwards. What they do not have is a big, strong two-way Centre who can shutdown all the great players in the east (ie Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Ovie..). They need a bigger guy to play against these players...Kesler can do this. Now Kes would need to waive his NTC but he might be willing to cause its an American city and closer to his home state. Buffalo also has an owner who wants to win now, and a team that has a good mix of talent to do that. Van does this b/c they gain some youth who they can build around for the future, but a guy like Grigorenko might be able to step in and contribute now. Van also gets some bigger, stronger guys in Armia or Foligno. Why not: GMMG does like to ask players to waive NTC. Van wants to win now and might feel this sets them back. Buffalo is close to the cap and might not want to absorb Keslers salary (they would be fine if they can buyout or move a guy like Leino). Buffalo might not also want to part with the strong youth moment they have going. Anywho...what are people's thoughts. I just did this cause I want Kesler gone and this makde the most sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Why in the world do you want a Selke winner gone? And a huge no to the proposal, big underpayment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Why not: GMMG does like to ask players to waive NTC. Van wants to win now and might feel this sets them back. Buffalo is close to the cap and might not want to absorb Keslers salary (they would be fine if they can buyout or move a guy like Leino). Buffalo might not also want to part with the strong youth moment they have going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 You did half a proposal with all the 'insert heres' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 You did half a proposal with all the 'insert heres' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Kesler for Hodgson - straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoolander Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Kesler for Ennis, and Armia, and a 2nd rd pick Then trade Ballard to Detroit for Teemu Pulkkinen All 3 players we get are NHL ready. Ennis is a playmaker, Armia is a power-forward/sniper, and Pulkinnen is a pure sniper. Trade Lu for Kadri, Gunnarsson, and a pick, and our prospect pool goes from: Before: Jensen-Schroeder-Kassian Rodin-Gaunce-? After: Ennis-Armia-Pulkinnen Jensen-Kadri-Kassian Schroeder-Gaunce-Rodin Our top 9 would then be very versatile: Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Booth-Ennis-Armia Higgins-Kadri-Kassian **Hansen/Lapierre/Pulkinnen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Or, uh.. Hodgson for Kassian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Not gonna trade Kesler unless we get some good NHL ready talent in return. While any of those prospects are good players, this would make our team way worse for the present, and would essentially end any hope that we could win a Cup in the next couple seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 If Buffalo is still looking for the "right centerman", it'll cost them Myers. I agree with other posters - Grigorenko is too young to step in. Don't really like their options at center - can always make another deal to replace second line center role. Alternatively, if not Myers, a top six RW like Stafford, with a prospect Foligno (or a center like Grigorenko) as a secondary piece for Kesler. To fill the whole at center, I'd dangle Luongo (or Edler if he won't re-sign) in front of Holmgren, for Couturier +, depending upon the return for Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 No to original proposal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 To Buff Kesler Schroeder To Van Myers Grigorenko 2013 2nd Then To Philly Edler 2014 first Rodin To VAn The Schenn Brothers Then To Tor Luongo Raymond To Van Bozak 2013 first Let the re build begin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James van Riemsdyk Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I think if we trade Kesler to Buffalo, Cody Hodgson would cry. He would be pushed back on the depth chart. I also don't think we need grigorenko right now because we have Gauce, Jensen, Kassian, Schroeder, and other prospects. grigorenko would help us but i don't think we need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 To Buff Kesler Schroeder To Van Myers Grigorenko 2013 2nd Then To Philly Edler 2014 first Rodin To VAn The Schenn Brothers Then To Tor Luongo Raymond To Van Bozak 2013 first Let the re build begin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 I think if we trade Kesler to Buffalo, Cody Hodgson would cry. He would be pushed back on the depth chart. I also don't think we need grigorenko right now because we have Gauce, Jensen, Kassian, Schroeder, and other prospects. grigorenko would help us but i don't think we need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Grigorenko is more of a top 6 offensive center than any of our current prospects. Schroeder and Gaunce have ability to put up points, but aren't as likely to put up the potential numbers of Grigorenko. Grigorenko has the advantage over Schroeder in size, and offensively over Gaunce, but it remains to be seen if he surpasses them in the NHL. His potential is higher though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossram Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 As another poster said, the Richards deal was B. Schenn, SImmonds and a 1st. A top prospect, solid roster player and a 1st round pick. I think Kesler has very similar value. To VAN Grigorenko Ennis Foligno or Armia To BUF Kesler Schroeder Weise We get a slightly better package than the Richards deal, so I sent some other pieces Buffalo's way. Same premise: Top prospect (Grigorenko), solid roster player (Ennis), and a 1st (Foligno/Armia) but I'm just going to assume those two have equal value to a 1 1st round pick. Of course Vancouver won't trade Kesler and it would set them back in their pursuit of a Cup. This is just for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 It was a 2nd, not a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Grigorenko is more of a top 6 offensive center than any of our current prospects. Schroeder and Gaunce have ability to put up points, but aren't as likely to put up the potential numbers of Grigorenko. Grigorenko has the advantage over Schroeder in size, and offensively over Gaunce, but it remains to be seen if he surpasses them in the NHL. His potential is higher though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 To Buff Kesler Schroeder To Van Myers Grigorenko 2013 2nd Then To Philly Edler 2014 first Rodin To VAn The Schenn Brothers Then To Tor Luongo Raymond To Van Bozak 2013 first Let the re build begin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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