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#1 dudeone

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:54 PM

Website helps Dutch Catholics "de-baptize" over gay marriage

Reuters9 hrs ago

http://news.yahoo.co...-165938414.html

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Thousands of Dutch Catholics are researching how they can leave the church in protest at its opposition to gay marriage, according to the creator of a website aimed at helping them find the information.


Tom Roes, whose website allows people to download the documents needed to leave the church, said traffic on ontdopen.nl - "de-baptise.nl" - had soared from about 10 visits a day to more than 10,000 after Pope Benedict's latest denunciation of gay marriage this month.


"Of course it's not possible to be 'de-baptized' because a baptism is an event, but this way people can unsubscribe or de-register themselves as Catholics," Roestold Reuters.


He said he did not know how many visitors to the site actually go ahead and leave the church.


About 28 percent of the population in the Netherlands is Catholic and 18 percent is Protestant, while a much larger proportion - roughly 44 percent - is not religious, according to official statistics.


The country is famous for its liberal attitudes, for example to drugs and prostitution, and in April 2001 it was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages.


In a Christmas address to Vatican officials, the pope signaled the he was ready to forge alliances with other religions against gay marriage, saying the family was threatened "to its foundations" by attempts to change its "true structure".


Roes, a television director, said he left the church and set up his website partly because he was angry about the way the church downplayed or covered-up sexual abuse in Catholic orphanages, boarding schools and seminaries.


A report by an independent commission published a year ago said there had been tens of thousands of victims of child sexual abuse in the Netherlands since 1945 and criticized the church's culture of silence.


(Reporting by Sara Webb; Editing by Robin Pomeroy)


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 09:21 PM

The over/under on how many posts it will take for this thread to turn into a religious debate is 5.5.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 09:33 PM

Pope Hints at Inter-faith Alliance Against Gay Marriage

Posted ImagePope Benedict XVI watches a tablet at the Vatican, in Rome, December 12, 2012.



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VATICAN CITY — Pope Benedict on December 21 signaled the Vatican was ready to forge alliances with other religions against gay marriage, saying the family was threatened "to its foundations" by attempts to change its "true structure."

The pope's latest denunciation of gay marriage came in a Christmas address to Vatican officials in which he blended religion, philosophy, anthropology and sociology to illustrate the position of the Roman Catholic Church.

The Vatican has gone on the offensive in response to gains for gay marriage in the United States and Europe, using every possible opportunity to denounce it through papal speeches or editorials in its newspaper or on its radio station.

Throwing the full weight of his office behind a study by France's chief rabbi on the effects the legalization of gay marriage would have on children and society, he said:

"There is no denying the crisis that threatens it (the family) to its foundations - especially in the Western world."

The family had to be protected because it was "the authentic setting in which to hand on the blueprint of human existence", he added.

Speaking in the frescoed Clementine Hall of the Vatican's Apostolic Palace, the 85-year-old pope said the family was being threatened by "a false understanding of freedom" and a repudiation of life-long commitment in heterosexual marriage.

"When such commitment is repudiated, the key figures of human existence likewise vanish: father, mother, child - essential elements of the experience of being human are lost," the leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics said.

In the speech, one of the most important the pope gives every year, he said people could not "dispute the idea that they have a nature, given by their bodily identity, that serves as a defining element of the human being".

The "pre-ordained duality of man and woman" had to be respected, he said, if families and children were not to lose their place and dignity.

People could not become what he called "abstract human beings" choosing for themselves what their nature would be, added.

Religious Alliance

In some countries, the Catholic Church has already joined forces with Jews, Muslims and members of other religions to oppose the legalization of gay marriage, in some cases presenting arguments based on legal, social and anthropological analyses rather than religious teachings.

Significantly, the pope specifically praised as "profoundly moving" a study by Gilles Bernheim, France's chief rabbi, which has become the subject of heated debate in that country.

Bernheim, also a philosopher, argues that homosexual rights groups "will use gay marriage as a Trojan Horse" in a wider campaign to "deny sexual identity and erase sexual differences" and "undermine the heterosexual fundamentals of our society".

His study, "Gay Marriage, Parenthood and Adoption: What We Often Forget To Say", argues that plans to legalize gay marriage are being made for "the exclusive profit of a tiny minority" and are often supported because of political correctness.

In his own speech on Friday, the pope repeated some of the concepts in the Bernheim study, including an assertion that children raised by gay couples would be more "objects" than individuals.

Franco Grillini, a leader of Italy's gay community, called the pope's words "great foolishness," saying: "Where gay marriage has been approved, there has been no consequence on heterosexual marriage".

Last month, voters in the U.S. states of Maryland, Maine and Washington state approved same-sex marriage, the first time marriage rights have been extended to same-sex couples by popular vote.

Same-sex unions have been legalized in six states and the District of Columbia by lawmakers or courts.

In November, Spain's highest court also upheld a gay marriage law, and in France the socialist government has unveiled a draft law that would allow gay marriage.

Frickin religious homophobe nutbags :sadno:

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:12 PM

While I feel fairly indifferent about the issue, I respect that religions have the right to oppose homosexual theory and unions.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:56 AM

The over/under on how many posts it will take for this thread to turn into a religious debate is 5.5.


Frickin religious homophobe nutbags :sadno:


Not even close to 3.5.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:41 AM

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:17 AM

Could they offer a similar service to Muslims?

Not that I'm opposed to what they're doing, but I'd like them to uphold the principle equally to all, even when faced with the threat of death from masses of homicidal nutbags.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:12 AM

While I feel fairly indifferent about the issue, I respect that religions have the right to oppose homosexual theory and unions.


I agree. And then they need to stay out of politics too.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:53 PM

While I feel fairly indifferent about the issue, I respect that religions have the right to oppose homosexual theory and unions.

Why? A persons happiness shouldn't affect them.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:24 PM

Why? A persons happiness shouldn't affect them.


Duh. Because someone not part of your religion should still do what you and your religion says. :rolleyes:
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:44 PM

The pope is a scumbag

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:30 PM

Duh. Because someone not part of your religion should still do what you and your religion says. :rolleyes:

And if not we should rape their women, slaughter their young, and burn their villages.
Oh wait, that was the crusaders.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:59 PM

According to pretty much every Christian denomination, baptism is something that is a permanent mark on the soul so it cannot be undone.

However, since this is all fiction anyways, they can feel free to make up things as they go.

As for the Pope, he's one of the most heinous people in the world and deserves to be imprisoned with his papal fortune paying those he and his made up religion wronged.. starting with those molested. Due to policies he wrote like this regarding dealing with victims of serious crimes:

http://en.wikipedia....tis_gravioribus

De delictis gravioribus (Latin for "on more serious crimes") was a letter written on 18 May 2001 by then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to all the Bishops of the Catholic Church and the other Ordinaries concerned, including those of the Eastern Catholic Churches.


In the case of criminal actions brought before an ecclesiastical tribunal against someone accused of offences reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, prescription normally limits to ten years from the date of commission of an offence the time within which the prosecution may be initiated; but the document De delictis gravioribus lays down that, in the case of a sexual offence against a minor, the period of ten years begins to run only when the minor reaches 18 years of age.



Which is translated to: The victim cannot go to the police or say jack **** until 10 years following the incident or 10 years following reaching adulthood from when the incident occurred.

This of course is a major affront to criminal law and protecting victims of crimes.

I suppose the Pope can find common ground with other Christian denominations or reach out to the most bigoted ones (Allah Akbar) against gays for his little alliance, since clearly he has only one concern which is to protect the fiction he espouses.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

Once you get bapt', you never go back.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 02:01 AM

Things such as legal status of marriage are politcal matters that have been decided through our courts. Any Church apposing what is legal should instantly have their non profit tax exemtion yanked - It's unethical to have our tax dollars supporting any church to fight against what our courts have ruled on. In a sense we are funding the catholic church's attacks on social issues that the courts have ruled on.
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