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#1 jagori78

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:41 PM

I think the best thing if there is a season is for the Canucks to keep both goaltenders. At the end of the season, Vancouver can buy-out Luongo and not have it count against the cap.

Now, Luongo will still receive his salary for the rest of the deal, but I think Aquilini should be able to cover this cost. Aquilini already ends up paying $10 million of his profits to Phoenix and the other "revenue sharing" teams. He probably doesn't care if this money goes to Phoenix, or to Luongo. If it were me, I'd rather Luongo get the money.

Just to be sneaky, whos to say Luongo doesn't get bought out, then re-signed at a "normal" salary? Maybe that's cap circumvention. For that matter, Luongo get's much easier to trade. Toronto has no problem buying Luongo out either, because they pay even more money in revenue sharing.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:48 PM

I would rather buyout Ballard since Luongo is more tradeable.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:52 PM

buy Luongo out and get nothing for him in return? :shock:
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:57 PM

My money would be on Booth or Ballard being bought out first.

Booth gets bought out if we don't resign Elder, Ballard if we do.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:00 PM

buyout luongo then trade his rights to florida. They can then negotiate a deal they like and we will get bjugstad
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:04 PM

buyout luongo then trade his rights to florida. They can then negotiate a deal they like and we will get bjugstad


Doesn't work like that.

If the Canucks buy him out - he is UFA
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:07 PM

We don't know

buyout luongo then trade his rights to florida. They can then negotiate a deal they like and we will get bjugstad



I suspect any gamesmanship like that won't be allowed - players would likely become UFA's. If there is a buyout it makes more sense to buyout ballard but I think even he can draw some prospects/a draft pick from any of

Anaheim
Calgary
Islanders
Tampa
New Jersey
Columbus
Maybe even Edmonton (could use a vet dman who can still play and is not that old, in fact he'd fit in nicely there)

So, I dont think there is any need on the nucks to buy anyone out at this point.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:07 PM

Why would we do that? He actually holds value.

Ballard on the other hand...
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:08 PM

There is already a deal waiting for Luongo when the lockout is over. Also, Luongo has a decent cap hit and is tradeable, so no, not the best idea at all in my opionion.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:09 PM

Would rather buy out Ballard, Luongo is a good goalie and actually has trade value.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:12 PM

I'm really curious to see how this will effect his trade value. Does Luongo now become viewed a rental player by more teams?
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:15 PM

I would actually put my money on it being more likely to buy out Booth. He hasn't meshed with Kesler and hasn't been embraced by the fans.

With other teams being able to buy out players there will be a ton of very serviceable top 6 forwards who were on a bad deal arpund to be signed. Ballard hasn't been great, but he is still a legitimate NHL defenceman, and those are pretty rare. Most teams don't have more than 4-5 guys who can be relied upon to eat up minutes.

Unless the backdiving clause ends up being really punitive on Luongo's contract, I don't see us buying him out. If the rules let us do it all the way through to nextd July 10th... then we definitely keep him for a compressed season as injury insurance in the event a trade doesn't get worked out.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:55 PM

Ballard first.

Booth is fine. Management and coaching staff know we need a power forward in the top 6 even if he disappoints, and even if he is not a real power forward.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

Luongo is not going to be bought it. He will be traded.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:31 PM

Schneider will need stability. His GAA and save percentage right now is not better than Luongo all time and he has no real experience. You ant-Luongo hopefuls will be eating your words once hockey gets going again. Trading Luongo will come back to hurt the Canucks in their soft spots.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:49 PM

Luongo has trade value, he will be traded, not bought out. And as for buying out Booth that is even dumber, we are already lacking another top 6 player so lets get rid of Booth for nothing then have 2 gapping holes along side an injury prone Kesler. Yeah makes perfect sense to me... Just because the option could be there to buy out a player doesnt mean the team should excercise those options.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:54 PM

Schneider will need stability. His GAA and save percentage right now is not better than Luongo all time and he has no real experience. You ant-Luongo hopefuls will be eating your words once hockey gets going again. Trading Luongo will come back to hurt the Canucks in their soft spots.

Schneider has earned his spurs and has improved to the point that he is now better than Lou. His stats last year reflect his vast improvement and increased knowledge of NHL calibre shooters. Don't sell him short, the guard is changing and you need to change with it. Lou will be leaving, get on the bus !
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:57 PM

Buy out Luongo or Booth??? Why would we do that? Even my 5 year old knows those are bonehead asset management moves.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:14 PM

Schneider will need stability. His GAA and save percentage right now is not better than Luongo all time and he has no real experience. You ant-Luongo hopefuls will be eating your words once hockey gets going again. Trading Luongo will come back to hurt the Canucks in their soft spots.


um,,,so Cory has a 2.24 gaa and .928 sv % during regular season, 1.91 playoff gaa with a .940 sv %
Lu has a 2.52 regular season gaa with a .919 sv % and 2.53 career playoff gaa with .916 sv%
so,,,yes Cory's numbers are quite a lot better than Lu's career numbers.
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#20 Crying Peter Parker

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:37 PM

um,,,so Cory has a 2.24 gaa and .928 sv % during regular season, 1.91 playoff gaa with a .940 sv %
Lu has a 2.52 regular season gaa with a .919 sv % and 2.53 career playoff gaa with .916 sv%
so,,,yes Cory's numbers are quite a lot better than Lu's career numbers.


Um so Cory played alot less games than Lu in the regular season;therefore, his stats cant be taken at equal value. What concerns me is can Cory play 60+ games a season and perform that good.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:50 PM

Keeping Luongo for half a season and trading him in the summer is the better move.

We need our goalie tandem if there is a season, because Lack is injured and not quite ready for prime time IMO.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:10 PM

It is all going to depend on how the new CBA deals with back diving contracts. If there is no way to get rid of a contract by sending them to the minors, or even if a player retires they still account against the cap, then it is almost 100% guaranteed they will buy out Luongo because after this season contracts like Ballard and Booth will have a couple years left, where if Lu is going to cost us 5.3 mill for another 9 seasons, it will be used on Lu.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:24 PM

Schneider will need stability. His GAA and save percentage right now is not better than Luongo all time and he has no real experience. You ant-Luongo hopefuls will be eating your words once hockey gets going again. Trading Luongo will come back to hurt the Canucks in their soft spots.

Still a few stubborn Luongonites singing the same old song, standing firm against all hope and rationality.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:06 PM

Let's not be rash and buy out anyone just yet, let's wait and see how it goes down. If it works for us buy them out, if not let's trade them. Even a seventh round pick is better than just dropping them off to the free agency. that is unless there is a gem in the free agency and we are 100% sure we can acquire them.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:07 PM

Luongo for a good return.

Keep Ballard.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:09 PM

I think the best thing if there is a season is for the Canucks to keep both goaltenders. At the end of the season, Vancouver can buy-out Luongo and not have it count against the cap.

Now, Luongo will still receive his salary for the rest of the deal, but I think Aquilini should be able to cover this cost. Aquilini already ends up paying $10 million of his profits to Phoenix and the other "revenue sharing" teams. He probably doesn't care if this money goes to Phoenix, or to Luongo. If it were me, I'd rather Luongo get the money.

Just to be sneaky, whos to say Luongo doesn't get bought out, then re-signed at a "normal" salary? Maybe that's cap circumvention. For that matter, Luongo get's much easier to trade. Toronto has no problem buying Luongo out either, because they pay even more money in revenue sharing.


I think Ballard would be a better buyout. I don't hate him as a player, but at 4.2 million for three more years we just can't afford to keep him with the way he's been playing and the role he's given.

Luongo has at least some trade value. Ballard has none.

Edited by bossram, 28 December 2012 - 07:12 PM.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:09 PM

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:21 PM

BUYOUT!!! BUYOUT!!! BUYOUT!!!
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:37 PM

Keeping Luongo for half a season and trading him in the summer is the better move.

We need our goalie tandem if there is a season, because Lack is injured and not quite ready for prime time IMO.


The only thing that could be a bigger controversy then the NY Jets quarterback situation would be
The Luongo, Schneider goaltending situation.

#1 Luongo doesn't want to play here.

Buying him out may actually happen.

If he does suit up for the nucks, his regular October slow starts will look like vintage Dominic Hasek in Comparision.
His value will be = to Wade Redden by mid Feb and the Vancouver media will be a wild, blood thirsty, school of piranha.

I really hope this buyout is going to be a part of the new CBA cause it may be our only option. This is all worst case of course. It would be great if he got his act together and sucked it up to add to his value. I just have my doubts.

And for those who say we should buy out Booth give your head a shake, the guy had bad injury luck and a puck hog center man.
David Booth will succeed.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:40 PM

Lu's getting traded away, we don't need his cap space sitting on the bench.

Who's replacing Booth and or Ballard when we give them up for no return, unless cap space is the return???
I don't think they're going anywhere outside of possible trades.
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