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#31 VicNuckleHead09

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 07:46 PM

As soon as I heard of this in the proposal I thought to myself this was going to be a thead... way to prove me right CDC
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:26 PM

I'm gonna laugh at Schneider if he pulls a Crawford
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:38 PM

There is already a deal waiting for Luongo when the lockout is over. Also, Luongo has a decent cap hit and is tradeable, so no, not the best idea at all in my opionion.


What deal?
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:43 PM

I would actually put my money on it being more likely to buy out Booth. He hasn't meshed with Kesler and hasn't been embraced by the fans.

With other teams being able to buy out players there will be a ton of very serviceable top 6 forwards who were on a bad deal arpund to be signed. Ballard hasn't been great, but he is still a legitimate NHL defenceman, and those are pretty rare. Most teams don't have more than 4-5 guys who can be relied upon to eat up minutes.

Unless the backdiving clause ends up being really punitive on Luongo's contract, I don't see us buying him out. If the rules let us do it all the way through to nextd July 10th... then we definitely keep him for a compressed season as injury insurance in the event a trade doesn't get worked out.


In the amnesty buyout, each team would receive he right to buy out one player. That is only a maximum of thirty players, including left wingers, centers, defensemen and goaltenders who could potentially be bought out, there would not be that many RWs available via amnesty buyout.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

Schneider will need stability. His GAA and save percentage right now is not better than Luongo all time and he has no real experience. You ant-Luongo hopefuls will be eating your words once hockey gets going again. Trading Luongo will come back to hurt the Canucks in their soft spots.


I agree 100% with this notion. I am not sold on Schneider. I believe AV called off the series early as it was obvious the Canucks would not pass the Kings in the first round, thereby increasing Schneider's value for future trade by playing him for the last games.

Luongo is a Canucks for life.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:49 PM

Schneider has earned his spurs and has improved to the point that he is now better than Lou. His stats last year reflect his vast improvement and increased knowledge of NHL calibre shooters. Don't sell him short, the guard is changing and you need to change with it. Lou will be leaving, get on the bus !


I get tired of hearing the same song over and over again. Do you have any other songs in your repertoire?

Has it occurred to you that YOU might be selling Luongo short? Or be an emotional Schneider fan?

Get real and get back on the bus.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:39 PM

We should trade Scheids and keep Lu, a mil bucks say if we keep Lu we win a cup. Scheids will end up leaving for another team after his contract is up anyways. If we were to buy out someone, I'd go with Ballard.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:42 PM

Still a few stubborn Luongonites singing the same old song, standing firm against all hope and rationality.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:50 PM

Not happening. Too many year and too much money left on his contract. Aquilini isn't stupid to throw away money like that. Luongo will get traded if he leaves.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:56 PM


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:39 PM

Obviously some people here don"t realize the buy out can"t be done until next summer!!!
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:16 AM

I think the best thing if there is a season is for the Canucks to keep both goaltenders. At the end of the season, Vancouver can buy-out Luongo and not have it count against the cap.

Now, Luongo will still receive his salary for the rest of the deal, but I think Aquilini should be able to cover this cost. Aquilini already ends up paying $10 million of his profits to Phoenix and the other "revenue sharing" teams. He probably doesn't care if this money goes to Phoenix, or to Luongo. If it were me, I'd rather Luongo get the money.

Just to be sneaky, whos to say Luongo doesn't get bought out, then re-signed at a "normal" salary? Maybe that's cap circumvention. For that matter, Luongo get's much easier to trade. Toronto has no problem buying Luongo out either, because they pay even more money in revenue sharing.


Lol yes.

Instead of trade Luongo and get something in return, we can instead buy him out, get nothing in return and then watch a ton of teams make him offers.

What a Brilliant idea.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:36 AM

if i were luongo, I'd refuse to be traded to any team, wait for the canucks to buy him out and then he gets to sign with whomever he wants while pocketing a huge paycheque from his buy out just to shove it up management, fans and medias a$$. sure you can bench him or sit him in the minors, don't think the owner is stupid enough to pay him 7mil a year to play in the minors. I mean why would Luongo want to do anything to benefit or help this team when they are trying so hard to run him out of the city to begin with? Luongo can't win regardless playing in vancouver anyways so might as well screw them over. if he wins it's inspite of him. if he lose it's all his fault. this is going to be a win win situation for Luongo if he truly holds personal vendetta towards the city and management.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:54 AM

In the amnesty buyout, each team would receive he right to buy out one player. That is only a maximum of thirty players, including left wingers, centers, defensemen and goaltenders who could potentially be bought out, there would not be that many RWs available via amnesty buyout.


As I said... there are not enough defencemen to go around in the NHL, so don't expect to see a bunch waived to replace Ballard with something better. Same largely goes with goalies.

Out of 29 teams, maybe 15 tops will actually do a buyout, especially if it is for a $1 for $1 amount (Lecavalier probably only gets bought out if it is for only 50% of his actual dollars owed). These will mostly be good forwards who are just overpaid. We have a great chance of snagging one as a contending team.

I don't particularly think that we have any players who are worthy of a buyout, excepting the fact that there could be punitive clauses regarding the Luongo clause which make him untradeable. If we were to choose one player with the knowledge we have now I would still say that Booth would be the best choice.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 04:00 AM

Yes, Ballard's contract needs to be bought out, and perhaps we can even offer him another one at a more fair rate... But if any goalie HAS to go, i rather it be Schneider. He hasn't proven anything, and I don't want to take the risk of putting all our eggs in his basket. I have much more faith in Lu to take us where we need to be! And i would make that decision 9 times out of 10
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 05:57 AM

I echo this, add to it in fact because of the demands of a shorter season!

Imagine however if Lou was devious about it???

"Trade me to Florida or I'll block any and every other trade!" So we end up buying him out, he collects 100% of his salary and then signs a new UFA deal. Even if its less money on the new contract he is in effect getting paid on two; and controls his destiny!

I can see why the owners do not want a buyout clause!



Keeping Luongo for half a season and trading him in the summer is the better move.

We need our goalie tandem if there is a season, because Lack is injured and not quite ready for prime time IMO.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:03 AM

I agree 100% with this notion. I am not sold on Schneider. I believe AV called off the series early as it was obvious the Canucks would not pass the Kings in the first round, thereby increasing Schneider's value for future trade by playing him for the last games.

Luongo is a Canucks for life.

Sorry to burst your bubble bud but once the lockout is over Luongo will be gone. Its funny how you tell us to get real yet you say Luongo will be a Canuck for life. Pretty contradictory eh?
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:55 AM

I'm really curious to see how this will effect his trade value. Does Luongo now become viewed a rental player by more teams?


The guy's signed until 2022, I don't think there's anything "rental" about that.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:58 AM

The only thing that could be a bigger controversy then the NY Jets quarterback situation would be
The Luongo, Schneider goaltending situation.

#1 Luongo doesn't want to play here.

Buying him out may actually happen.

If he does suit up for the nucks, his regular October slow starts will look like vintage Dominic Hasek in Comparision.
His value will be = to Wade Redden by mid Feb and the Vancouver media will be a wild, blood thirsty, school of piranha.

I really hope this buyout is going to be a part of the new CBA cause it may be our only option. This is all worst case of course. It would be great if he got his act together and sucked it up to add to his value. I just have my doubts.

And for those who say we should buy out Booth give your head a shake, the guy had bad injury luck and a puck hog center man.
David Booth will succeed.


This was such an excellent post, and then the final paragraph happened.

David Booth is just not very good. No hockey sense whatsoever.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:02 AM

if i were luongo, I'd refuse to be traded to any team, wait for the canucks to buy him out and then he gets to sign with whomever he wants while pocketing a huge paycheque from his buy out just to shove it up management, fans and medias a$$.


Canucks still have the leverage, because they can always just waive Luongo. And what happens if he gets waived? He's probably picked up by either Columbus or Brooklyn.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:33 AM

This was such an excellent post, and then the final paragraph happened.

David Booth is just not very good. No hockey sense whatsoever.


To be fair to booth, he has largely been stuck playing with a center that can't pass. He needs a better center.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:41 AM

if i were luongo, I'd refuse to be traded to any team, wait for the canucks to buy him out and then he gets to sign with whomever he wants while pocketing a huge paycheque from his buy out just to shove it up management, fans and medias a$$. sure you can bench him or sit him in the minors, don't think the owner is stupid enough to pay him 7mil a year to play in the minors. I mean why would Luongo want to do anything to benefit or help this team when they are trying so hard to run him out of the city to begin with? Luongo can't win regardless playing in vancouver anyways so might as well screw them over. if he wins it's inspite of him. if he lose it's all his fault. this is going to be a win win situation for Luongo if he truly holds personal vendetta towards the city and management.


You may have just got yourself added to the Feds watch list.... LOL. Take a deep breath put down the gun and walk away.

But seriously the Canucks can afford to send him to the wolves, and if he tried to pull anything like that I would love to see him sit and rot there. Chicago fans would love nothing more then the chance to boo him every game. Lou would agree to be traded to any team within a week.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:38 AM

We should trade Scheids and keep Lu, a mil bucks say if we keep Lu we win a cup. Scheids will end up leaving for another team after his contract is up anyways. If we were to buy out someone, I'd go with Ballard.


Luongo has folded like a cheap tent in the playoffs since 2009, what would possibly make you think that the Canucks (or any team) could win a Stanley Cup with him in net?
I'll take your million bucks now please.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:04 AM

To be fair to booth, he has largely been stuck playing with a center that can't pass. He needs a better center.


I don't think Booth is a terrible player, but there is little argument that he and Kesler just aren't meshing. Kesler is part of the core group so any players on his line have to be complimentary to his skill set. He is a recent Selke winner so saying he isn't good is ridiculous.

I would give Booth another year and pick up Huselius as their winger on the cheap. If they can't turn into a line with a pure passer, then there is no hope and Booth has to go.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:32 AM

I don't think Booth is a terrible player, but there is little argument that he and Kesler just aren't meshing. Kesler is part of the core group so any players on his line have to be complimentary to his skill set. He is a recent Selke winner so saying he isn't good is ridiculous.

I would give Booth another year and pick up Huselius as their winger on the cheap. If they can't turn into a line with a pure passer, then there is no hope and Booth has to go.


Agree and disagree. Ryan was the best third line center in the league could shut down the leagues best lines and score goals at the same time. It didn't matter if he couldn't or wouldn't pass because he was playing with third line checking players.

He can be good on the second line when he packs the team on his back, but he can't do it for long if he playes by himself. Having him play as the second line center kills the "second line players he plays with". If he needs to be our second line center then our second line wingers should play on the third with a center that can pass.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:35 AM

I see no need to buy out anyone, anytime soon.

Is there a smallt window of time in which a team has to buy out a contract once the new CBA is signed? I don't recall this being mentioned in any discussions regarding buyouts (if there is, do let me know. I haven't been keeping up on this topic). Yes, if a team has a bad contract and a player who is under performing (neither of which apply to Luongo) and they need to get rid of him, sure a buyout sooner would be better. Gomez at $7+ million for another two years, Lecavalier at $7.7+ for another 7 years, Di Pietro at $4.5million for another 8 years, heck, even Chara's last couple of years might be bought out, depending on his performance level.

In Luongo's case, might not the Canucks reserve the right to buy out his contract after he was traded, and then retired in another five or so years? He would no longer affect the Canucks cap until such that time.

As to buying out Booth or Ballard, why? They are both good players, who each have only two years left on their current deals. If they have to be moved for cap reasons (and I'm not sure that there is such a need, assuming the Luongo trade and depending on what comes back for him) there is time and opportunity to in which to do so.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:28 PM

Luongo has folded like a cheap tent in the playoffs since 2009, what would possibly make you think that the Canucks (or any team) could win a Stanley Cup with him in net?
I'll take your million bucks now please.


Anyone who thinks they've won a bet right off the hop is obviously making a horrible investment. lol What makes you think our chances are any better with Schneider in net? At least Lu has bled for the team, in my eyes with all that he's been through in the past few years he has what it takes to win. Unless he's thrown to an underdeveloped team like Toronto, there's no reason why he can't win. Your statement is just ignorant, moving on now please. :picard:

EDIT: For all of those people saying Booth "isn't a good player," give it a whole season before you start the smack talk. (I know this will be a shortened season if there is one, but I think he'll do great) Vancouver fans are still making the same mistakes, too many quick to judge- anybody with a little wisdom knows that good things take time, thank god none of your opinions matter and that the management takes care of everything... Otherwise I'd find myself being a Detroit fan, just look at how bad it is in Montreal because they listen to the fans opinions too much! :rolleyes:

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:56 PM

We can buy out Luongo now @ 2/3 's his salary spread over 18 years and a pretty favourable cap hit as well for the most part and any new agreement will probably make it even more advantageous for the management. When another team picks him up it will be even cheaper. Still, he will be traded rather than bought out.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:10 PM

Kalamazoo! :bigblush:

But seriously, Lou has said he would move if it helped the team (or kept him in a position he is more comfortable with is probably closer to the truth). I toyed with Lou holding out in this thread as well. But i Believe he has too much pride.

I doubt it will be a problem.


You may have just got yourself added to the Feds watch list.... LOL. Take a deep breath put down the gun and walk away.

But seriously the Canucks can afford to send him to the wolves, and if he tried to pull anything like that I would love to see him sit and rot there. Chicago fans would love nothing more then the chance to boo him every game. Lou would agree to be traded to any team within a week.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:20 PM

Yes, Ballard's contract needs to be bought out, and perhaps we can even offer him another one at a more fair rate... But if any goalie HAS to go, i rather it be Schneider. He hasn't proven anything, and I don't want to take the risk of putting all our eggs in his basket. I have much more faith in Lu to take us where we need to be! And i would make that decision 9 times out of 10


Un glad to see I'm not the only one with the same line of thinking with regards to Luongo.
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