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#31 debluvscanucks

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:19 AM

so is walking.. i dont want breathe your car fumes can you drive somewhere eles?



So you never ever ride in a car? Because you're a hypocrite if you do....
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:20 AM

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Let me preface this by saying I don't smoke, I never have, nor ever will. It is a disgusting, expensive and dangerous habit.

But there is way too much smoker hatred going on. Not only do they have to deal with the fact that they're going to die prematurely of some horrific disease, but they have to put up with the stigma of being treated like crap wherever they go. (Not saying smoking regulations are bad, but the stigma behind it is.)

Meanwhile, I'm sure many of you drink. I'm sure many of you smoke marijuana. I'm sure many of you eat fast food. I'm sure many of you have casual/promiscuous sex. There is nothing inherently "wrong" with any of those activities, and I don't have a problem with people who do them (if anything it makes them more interesting) but when everyone has their vices, who are you to judge someone else for smoking?
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:22 AM

Because their fast food residue doesn't end up in my arteries?
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:27 AM

Because their fast food residue doesn't end up in my arteries?


They create tremendous amounts of waste and the production of it causes damage to the planet. I agree, you shouldn't have to stand someone's second hand smoke, but I don't hate and condemn people for eating a hamburger either.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:34 AM

Because their fast food residue doesn't end up in my arteries?


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:43 AM

Fine .. smoking gets its due .. when will public flatulence get its own thread??
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:47 AM

Again, people defending smoking are using arguments of comparison - but we're talking about smoking so it simply is a distraction from that. And I see little reason to defend smoking, as it is a pointless activity. The other things listed, while contributing to hazards like pollution, etc. have purposes. Driving is a form of transportation. Eating hamburgers is at least some form of nourishment. Smoking = ?

Again, I'm not a hater against smokers (truth be told, I find smoking men attractive in some weird way). But I can understand the reasoning behind the demand for smokers to consider those around them by giving some space.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:51 AM

I find it hilarious/sad how smokers try to defend their habit by comparing it to things like car fumes, etc....

No different then gun lobbyists in the US.

It's a bad habit and an addiction.
Just accept that.
You smoke, fine, your choice - but don't try to justify it.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:52 AM

Again, people defending smoking are using arguments of comparison - but we're talking about smoking so it simply is a distraction from that. And I see little reason to defend smoking, as it is a pointless activity. The other things listed, while contributing to hazards like pollution, etc. have purposes. Driving is a form of transportation. Eating hamburgers is at least some form of nourishment. Smoking = ?

Again, I'm not a hater against smokers (truth be told, I find smoking men attractive in some weird way). But I can understand the reasoning behind the demand for smokers to consider those around them by giving some space.


Smoking is an enjoyable activity for some people. It relaxes them or something, I don't know, I don't have many smoking friends.

I'm not arguing against smokers being more considerate towards other people. I hate when I'm at the bus stop and someone's smoke is blowing in my face. Just like I hate when some idiot kills people in a drunk driving accident. But I don't condemn all those who drink, just the morons who drink and drive. I'm saying there seems to be a tremendous amount of vitriol directed at smokers in general.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:06 PM

Out of curiosity, why did you start?


Lots of stress.. LOTS.. gf at the time.. her having a party with about 10 people when I worked at 6am the next day.. at about 3am I said.. frack it.. grabbed one of her smokes and lit it up.. It helped.. and sadly smoking for 2 years.. Want to quit.. but as many smokers will say.. its hard to quit.. especially when you dont have the will power.. And I dont have it due to more stress going on right now..
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:19 PM

Smoking is an enjoyable activity for some people. It relaxes them or something, I don't know, I don't have many smoking friends.

I'm not arguing against smokers being more considerate towards other people. I hate when I'm at the bus stop and someone's smoke is blowing in my face. Just like I hate when some idiot kills people in a drunk driving accident. But I don't condemn all those who drink, just the morons who drink and drive. I'm saying there seems to be a tremendous amount of vitriol directed at smokers in general.

The vitriol derives from people wanting to not breathe someone's personal and highly unnecessary pollutants. As someone who grew up around chain smokers with absolutely no regard for anyone else they were affecting, I understand very clearly where anti-smoker sentiments derive from. I understand very well that people want to have the air they breathe clean. I also understand in public the chances of that are very low, so I think some good middleground is the consensus of laws currently applicable that designate certain areas near schools and buildings non smoking, and smokers can smoke all they like elsewhere in public, or anywhere in their own private property.

I've also never smoked a single cigarette, despite being pressured, especially from certain family members who knew I never smoked a cig and wanted me to try it anyways. I despise cigarettes, but outside specific designated non smoking areas, far more often than not, someone can simply move or deal with being out in public.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:41 PM

I wish it were legal to slap a smoker across the face for having a lit cigarette near me, not just for the smoke issue but also for having to always worry about them carelessly getting ashes on, or burning a hole in, my clothes.

It really doesn't help that it seems like every other person smokes in this city.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:45 PM

Coffee drinkers are next. Disgusting habit. Wasteful and gross. But at least it doesn't affect the rest of us. Until you see these people go without their coffee for awhile. Yeesh.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:53 PM

Coffee drinkers are next. Disgusting habit. Wasteful and gross. But at least it doesn't affect the rest of us. Until you see these people go without their coffee for awhile. Yeesh.


How are the two even remotely equivalent?

When's the last time you've heard of 2nd hand coffee causing cancer or a carelessly tossed coffee cup causing a fire?
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:56 PM

smell of coffee gives me headaches sometimes, please drink it somewhere eles

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:29 PM

smell of coffee gives me headaches sometimes, please drink it somewhere eles


It coffee smells, then it been burnt, no burn, no bad smell. You can't make a cigarette smell better however.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:37 PM

I'm a fan of the 'you have to be 5 meters away from any doorway / air intake to smoke' law we have in Alberta. Makes things easy for the smokers (they build nice shelters and ashtrays for them) and non-smokers alike. It's just the constant enforcement of this law that is a pain.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

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Again, people defending smoking are using arguments of comparison - but we're talking about smoking so it simply is a distraction from that. And I see little reason to defend smoking, as it is a pointless activity. The other things listed, while contributing to hazards like pollution, etc. have purposes. Driving is a form of transportation. Eating hamburgers is at least some form of nourishment. Smoking = ?

Again, I'm not a hater against smokers (truth be told, I find smoking men attractive in some weird way). But I can understand the reasoning behind the demand for smokers to consider those around them by giving some space.


Smoking is pointless? Typical attitude I have seen in many people. It may mean nothing to you, that doesn't mean it doesn't have a purpose to someone else. You can't say smoking doesn't have a purpose in my life, only I can make that determination.

I would guess it comes down to greed. You can get something out of driving a car, so you see value in it. If you can't get something out of smoking, then it must have no purpose. Problem is it is not just about you. This line of thinking completely ignores the fact that others may get something out of smoking, and that they need to be considered on an equal level to yourself, in order to establish what has purpose and what doesn't. How can something that is important to me be meaningless? Are my thoughts and feelings not as important as your own?

I agree that it must be frustrating for non-smokers, and I try to be courteous, but it is tough when you hear stuff like this, that our opinions don't matter because someone else doesn't see a value in what we are doing. I appreciate that you don't hate on smokers, and are just offering an opinion, but there are a lot of people out there that hate on us a lot and use that exact type of rationality.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 01:54 PM

I used to smoke, quit about 13 years ago. Most smokers are A holes, they throw their butts wherever they like and could care less about 2nd hand smoke.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:03 PM

Again, people defending smoking are using arguments of comparison - but we're talking about smoking so it simply is a distraction from that. And I see little reason to defend smoking, as it is a pointless activity. The other things listed, while contributing to hazards like pollution, etc. have purposes. Driving is a form of transportation. Eating hamburgers is at least some form of nourishment. Smoking = ?

Again, I'm not a hater against smokers (truth be told, I find smoking men attractive in some weird way). But I can understand the reasoning behind the demand for smokers to consider those around them by giving some space.


Smoking = ? Why did you smoke ,to use your words engage in a pointless activity for years, if you were not enjoying it ?
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

I started smoking very young and got hooked on it. Yep, I did engage in a pointless activity and enjoyed it for years, then developed chronic bronchitis and learned about what I was doing to my body so I quit. I understand why people do it and that it's tough to quit - but it isn't an excuse to subject others to it. It's the attitude of entitlement that we're addressing - not necessarily the smoking itself. I never had that - my ex was asthmatic so I learned early on to respect others with regard to my habit.

As I said, nothing personal against smokers - just those who do feel entitled to smoke wherever the hell they please. As we learn, things change. They also used to use asbestos back in the day, but no longer do. There are reasons that non smokers don't wish to inhale second hand smoke and they outweigh any reasons for smoking.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:12 PM

Smokers are Jokers!

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:23 PM

I started smoking very young and got hooked on it. Yep, I did engage in a pointless activity and enjoyed it for years, then developed chronic bronchitis and learned about what I was doing to my body so I quit. I understand why people do it and that it's tough to quit - but it isn't an excuse to subject others to it. It's the attitude of entitlement that we're addressing - not necessarily the smoking itself. I never had that - my ex was asthmatic so I learned early on to respect others with regard to my habit.

As I said, nothing personal against smokers - just those who do feel entitled to smoke wherever the hell they please. As we learn, things change. They also used to use asbestos back in the day, but no longer do. There are reasons that non smokers don't wish to inhale second hand smoke and they outweigh any reasons for smoking.


Then obviously it is not a pointless activity ,and smoking = enjoyment for those who smoke.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:24 PM

Funny thread. I always thought smoking cigarettes was the dumbest thing someone can do. Not only are you exposing yourself to early disease and death, but you are opening yourself up to being physically and mentally dependant on a substance which is only costing you money and you're giving even more of your hard earned money to the government! Smokers don't "enjoy" spending countless thousands to kill themselves erly, they are dependant and addicted.

Smoking has always been a person's right, but so is breathing fresh air. The problem is that once smoke contaminates fresh air, you can't get rid of it. That's why I think we shouldn't allow smoking in any public space. Instead, there should be little cubicles designated as smoke boxes. Smokers can go into these little boxes and smoke to their hearts discontent. All the smoke will be contained and exhausted high into the atmosphere or deep underground. This way, the smokers can enjoy their freedoms and even know what it is like to get some of that good ol' second hand stuff into them!

And smokers who subject kids to their stupidity should be hung from the highest tree.

Smoking cigarettes is a choice, a very, very stupid choice, but we are all free to make our choices, so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:46 PM

Then obviously it is not a pointless activity ,and smoking = enjoyment for those who smoke.


I was talking in relation to driving a car or eating a hamburger. You do those things for a reason....sure, the enjoyment of smoking is part of that but it does not contribute to anything that warrants doing it. Driving can get you to a destination that, perhaps, there are no other options in. Eating sustains you. Smoking may relieve some stress or provide enjoyment but other things can also do that, so it's rather pointless to engage in something that poses a threat to your health, as well as others.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:05 PM

I was talking in relation to driving a car or eating a hamburger. You do those things for a reason....sure, the enjoyment of smoking is part of that but it does not contribute to anything that warrants doing it. Driving can get you to a destination that, perhaps, there are no other options in. Eating sustains you. Smoking may relieve some stress or provide enjoyment but other things can also do that, so it's rather pointless to engage in something that poses a threat to your health, as well as others.


While you were smoking you gained enjoyment from it , experiencing pleasure is not a pointless exercise .

Now you have have decided to quit you are rationalising this by telling yourself , and others it is a pointless activity .
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:17 PM

Don't really care if people smoke, but I believe they should have to sign contracts which doesn't allow them to use the health care system for smoking related illness and disease. They would have to pay for all the healthcare themselves. Why should my tax dollars pay for someone's blatant stupidity?

It's also ignorant when they can't have the decency to move away to smoke when near non smokers, and pick up your butts, the ground isn't your own personal ashtray!
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:32 PM

While you were smoking you gained enjoyment from it , experiencing pleasure is not a pointless exercise .

Now you have have decided to quit you are rationalising this by telling yourself , and others it is a pointless activity .


It's all about balance....some people get enjoyment out of target shooting, but they don't do it on city sidewalks. Selfish people think their enjoyment trumps the comfort of others.

I realized that smoking was pointless when the enjoyment factor was outweighed by the coughing fits I was having, the fact that I also enjoyed running and that was being negatively impacted and I had to stand out in the cold so others weren't subjected to my second hand smoke.

I get your point, so it's now pointless to beat me over the head with it. :)
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:34 PM

Don't really care if people smoke, but I believe they should have to sign contracts which doesn't allow them to use the health care system for smoking related illness and disease. They would have to pay for all the healthcare themselves. Why should my tax dollars pay for someone's blatant stupidity?

It's also ignorant when they can't have the decency to move away to smoke when near non smokers, and pick up your butts, the ground isn't your own personal ashtray!


And should we not apply this to alcholol related illness and disease ?
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