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The problem with guns is they are too available to the general public which means idiots can easily get there hands on weapons they are not qualified to handle. If it were up to me in order to purchase a firearm of any kind there would be a mandatory psychological test to make sure the person isn't a nut case, a full criminal history and mental illness backround check, mandatory training of proper gun handling and maintaining, a full physical test to make sure the person can handle the weapons force and a detailed letter stamped and approved as to why the person feels they need the weapon in the first place. If the person passes all this then they can carry a weapon. It might seem harsh and while not fool proof it would eliminate most of the people who simply want a gun as a toy rather than a means for protection.

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Some gun shows canceling after Conn. mass shooting

By CHRIS CAROLA and MICHAEL HILL

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Associated Press

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SARATOGA SPRINGS, N.Y. (AP) — Several gun shows, all about an hour's drive from Newtown, Conn., have been canceled.

A show in White Plains, N.Y. — brought back a few years ago after being called off for a decade because of the Columbine shooting — is off because officials decided it didn't seem appropriate now, either. In Danbury, Conn. — about 10 miles west of Newtown — the venue backed out. Same with three other shows in New York's Hudson Valley, according to the organizer.

Gun advocates aren't backing down from their insistence on the right to keep and bear arms. But heightened sensitivities and raw nerves since the Newtown shooting have led to toned-down displays at gun shows and prompted some officials and sponsors to cancel the well-attended exhibitions altogether.

Some of the most popular guns will be missing from next weekend's gun show inSaratoga Springs, N.Y., after show organizers agreed to bar the display and sale of AR-15 military-style semiautomatic weapons and their large-clip magazines.

"The majority of people wanted these guns out of the city," said Chris Mathiesen, Saratoga Springs' public safety commissioner. "They don't want them sold in our city, and I agree. Newtown, Conn., is not that far away."

The mayor of Barre, Vt., wants a ban on military-style assault weapons being sold at an annual gun show in February. Mayor Thom Lauzon says he supports responsible gun ownership but is making the request "as a father." The police chief in Waterbury, Conn., just a few miles from Newtown, has halted permits for gun shows, saying he was concerned about firearms changing hands that might one day be used in a mass shooting.

In White Plains, in New York's suburban Westchester County, Executive Rob Astorino had brought back the show in 2010 after a ban of more than a decade following the 1999 Columbine High School shooting in Colorado, but he said the show would be inappropriate now. The shows in the Hudson Valley and Danbury were listed as canceled on the website for Big Al's Gun Shows. A man who answered the site's contact number said it was the venues that canceled the shows, not the promoter.

In Houston, transportation officials temporarily stopped using electronic freeway signs to give directions to gun shows amid complaints following such a show the day after the Dec. 14 school shooting. State-level transportation officials overruled the decision. The signs are routinely used to direct traffic or tell visitors where to exit freeways for rodeos, sporting events and gun shows.

On Wednesday, the City Council in Saratoga Springs urged organizers of a downtown gun show Jan. 12-13 not to display military-style weapons and the high-capacity magazines "of the type used in the Newtown tragedy." About a dozen people gave impassioned pleas at the meeting.

Show organizer David Petronis of New Eastcoast Arms Collectors Associates agreed to the limit.

"I don't think it's fair that we're taking the brunt of the problem," Petronis said, "but I can understand the reaction of people in doing so."

Petronis said his group is a "nice, clean family-oriented ... arms fair" that brings in thousands of visitors and a lot of money for the city. He stressed that buyers at his show undergo background checks, as per New York state law.

The gunman in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in December used an AR-15 to kill 20 first-graders and six educators in the school. The gun belonged to the shooter's mother, but it's not clear where it was bought. The shooting has led to calls for stricter regulation of assault weapons, though the National Rifle Association has steadfastly opposed such measures.

Gun dealers around the country are reporting a spike in sales of semiautomatic rifles amid renewed talk of a federal ban on assault weapons. The possibility of tighter gun control has also pumped up attendance at gun shows in several states.

Marv Kraus, who helped organize a weekend gun show in Evansville, Wis., said business has been especially strong lately.

Kraus said there was never any reason to consider postponing or canceling the Wisconsin event, which was scheduled for Friday through Sunday. One of the few vendors there with semiautomatic weapons, Scott Kuhl of Janesville, Wis., bristled at any suggestion that he temporarily stop selling semiautomatic weapons because of the Connecticut shooting.

"When a plane crashes, should they shut down the airline for six months?" Kuhl said. "This is my business; this is my livelihood."

Jared Hook, 40, who came to the show looking for a .223-caliber gun for coyote hunting, said he was glad vendors did not back away after Newtown.

"If anything, there's a lot more interest in guns now because of the shooting," Hook said. "People want them for protection, and it's good that they still have access to them."

Joel Koehler, a Pennsylvania gun dealer, said a few dealers have dropped out of a show this weekend in the Pocono Mountains, but only "because they have nothing to sell. They are out of inventory."

"The gun sales have been crazy. They are going through the roof," he said.

Koehler said he has felt no pressure to cancel his shows in Pennsylvania.

"The shows are going on," he said. "Nobody's said to us that we can't have them."

President Barack Obama has urged Congress to vote rapidly on measures that he says a majority of Americans support: a ban on the sale of military-style assault weapons; a ban on the sale of high-capacity magazines; and required criminal background checks for all gun buyers by removing loopholes that cover some sales, such as at gun shows in states that don't currently require checks.

Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett on Friday said he would consider a radio-show caller's suggestion that gun shows be banned on publicly owned property, such as the Pennsylvania Farm Show Complex in Harrisburg. But he also noted that the complex is open to all businesses.

While government officials take a harder look at gun shows, organizers remain adamant that they run safe, legal businesses. There is no central government database on how guns used in crimes are obtained.

The Brady Campaign, which advocates for stricter state and federal gun laws, has long pushed to close the so-called "gun show loophole" by forcing every state to require background checks of buyers at the shows. They note that three of the weapons used in the Columbine attack were bought by someone who went to agun show that didn't require a background check. Seventeen states require an extensive background check, according to the campaign.

And in the wake of Newtown is an emboldened group of advocates, like Susan Steer of Saratoga Springs, a 46-year-old married mother of three who started a petition seeking to cancel the local gun show. Steer said she'll continue to push for banning gun shows at the taxpayer-supported venue.

"For many of us," she said, "the shooting in Sandy Hook was the tipping point for taking some action."

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Hill reported from Albany, N.Y. Contributing to this report were Dinesh Ramde in Evansville, Wis.; Michael Rubinkam in Allentown, Pa.; Peter Jackson in Harrisburg, Pa.; and Lisa Rathke in Montpelier, Vt.

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Anyone here taking a page out of Ray "Retard" Comfort's book and blaming this on Atheism, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchers (Who has been dead for over a year now)? :lol:

The hardcore bible thumpers are absolutely ridiculous.

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Vermont teacher gets mental evaluation after ranting on YouTube, surrendering rifle

The Daily Caller – 13 hrs ago

http://news.yahoo.com/vermont-teacher-gets-mental-evaluation-ranting-youtube-surrendering-130629709.html

A popular math and science teacher in Bennington, Vt. was temporarily hospitalized last week for a mental health evaluationafter he posted several bizarre videos on YouTube.

Steven Davis, a teacher at Mount Anthony Union High School, took to YouTube after he had become disgruntled with school officials and the teachers union, the New York Daily News reports.

“This is all planned and very well thought out,” Davis said in one of the YouTube videos, according to WNYT. “I’ve studied military tactics and this is the way to go. It’s all going to hit so hard, so fast and shut that school system down ’til they get things straight.”

Exactly what “this” relates to in the video is unclear. Davis reportedly offered no concrete plans.

“Some of his postings on YouTube and Facebook were very concerning when he talked about studying military style training. He talked about reading CIA manuals and has a real dislike for some of the staff at the high school,” Bennington Police Chief Paul Doucette told WNYT, apparently after personally interviewing Davis at the hospital.

“That was alarming to us and we were concerned about the safety of those people,” Doucette added.

Police arrested Davis after neighbors allegedly spotted Davis toting a rifle from his home to his car,reports local NBC affiliate WNYT.

Doucette noted that the weapon is the same kind of firearm Adam Lanza used to massacre 26 people at an elementary school in the Newtown, Conn. last month, according to WNYT.

Davis told authorities he has owned the gun since 2009 and has never fired it, WNYT reports. However, police later found several hundred rounds of ammunition and loaded clips inside his home.

Davis’ wife reportedly had no inkling that her husband owned the weapon. She has since taken their two young children to stay with a relative and has sought a restraining order against him.

Davis has now been discharged from Southwestern Vermont Medical Center, according to the Daily News.

Mount Anthony Union High School has since placed Davis on administrative leave.

Davis’s videos appear to have been removed from YouTube for a violation of the website’s terms of service.

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Vermont teacher gets mental evaluation after ranting on YouTube, surrendering rifle

The Daily Caller – 13 hrs ago

http://news.yahoo.co...-130629709.html

A popular math and science teacher in Bennington, Vt. was temporarily hospitalized last week for a mental health evaluationafter he posted several bizarre videos on YouTube.

Steven Davis, a teacher at Mount Anthony Union High School, took to YouTube after he had become disgruntled with school officials and the teachers union, the New York Daily News reports.

“This is all planned and very well thought out,” Davis said in one of the YouTube videos, according to WNYT. “I’ve studied military tactics and this is the way to go. It’s all going to hit so hard, so fast and shut that school system down ’til they get things straight.”

Exactly what “this” relates to in the video is unclear. Davis reportedly offered no concrete plans.

“Some of his postings on YouTube and Facebook were very concerning when he talked about studying military style training. He talked about reading CIA manuals and has a real dislike for some of the staff at the high school,” Bennington Police Chief Paul Doucette told WNYT, apparently after personally interviewing Davis at the hospital.

“That was alarming to us and we were concerned about the safety of those people,” Doucette added.

Police arrested Davis after neighbors allegedly spotted Davis toting a rifle from his home to his car,reports local NBC affiliate WNYT.

Doucette noted that the weapon is the same kind of firearm Adam Lanza used to massacre 26 people at an elementary school in the Newtown, Conn. last month, according to WNYT.

Davis told authorities he has owned the gun since 2009 and has never fired it, WNYT reports. However, police later found several hundred rounds of ammunition and loaded clips inside his home.

Davis’ wife reportedly had no inkling that her husband owned the weapon. She has since taken their two young children to stay with a relative and has sought a restraining order against him.

Davis has now been discharged from Southwestern Vermont Medical Center, according to the Daily News.

Mount Anthony Union High School has since placed Davis on administrative leave.

Davis’s videos appear to have been removed from YouTube for a violation of the website’s terms of service.

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http://www.gadailynews.com/news/147692-loganville-woman-hiding-with-kids-shoots-intruder-paul-slater.html

I can't cut and paste the article because I'm on my phone, but note this woman never shot herself or had her gun taken away from her or any of the other things that certain folks insist will happen. It also suggests why semiautomatic handguns are so often considered for self defense.

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http://www.gadailyne...aul-slater.html

I can't cut and paste the article because I'm on my phone, but note this woman never shot herself or had her gun taken away from her or any of the other things that certain folks insist will happen. It also suggests why semiautomatic handguns are so often considered for self defense.

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Those are all nice target shooting guns no real use for them after that to bad and a good thing you cant get them in Canada.

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http://www.gadailyne...aul-slater.html

I can't cut and paste the article because I'm on my phone, but note this woman never shot herself or had her gun taken away from her or any of the other things that certain folks insist will happen. It also suggests why semiautomatic handguns are so often considered for self defense.

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The exception that proves the rule.

It is many times more likely that the person shot and killed or injured or committing suicide will be the gun owner or his/her family, friends or house guests.

Oh yeah and from the article:

The woman grabbed a revolver

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It's not the exception, you just don't hear about this side of the story much from the major mainstream media outlets.

Oh and I mentioned "semiautomatic handgun" because the revolver in the story could have well proven inadequate if circumstances had been slightly different.

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Of course it is the exception. There have been countless studies on this issue.

Ignoring facts and statistics seem the only way to support this bizarre fascination with guns.

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While it's clear you religiously believe the only "facts" support your claim (due to only looking at those you agree with, Spaghetti Monster bless Google), at the end of the day, regardless of how much you self aggrandise your beliefs into something greater than opinion, a bizarre fascination with guns is justified by the US Constitution. Obviously someone with a bit more sense than you made the rules.

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More sense? That's laughable.

You Americans lead the first world in gun murders by a country mile. In what twisted fantasyland is that considered good sense?

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