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The "assault" in assault rifle was an approximate English translation of the German word "Sturm" as in storm, as in to storm a position, it has nothing to do with legal definitions.

Well, at least not until the era of progressive creative redefinition anyway.

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A unreality check.

Here is an actual reality check: The 2011 Global Study on Homicide - United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC)

http://www.unodc.org...s/homicide.html

In 2010 in the US there were 9,960 firearm homicides with those comprising 67.5% of all homicides and a homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population of 3.2.

In 2009 in the United Kingdom (England and Wales) there were 41 firearm homicides with those comprising 6.6% of all homicides and a homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population of 0.1.

Reality bites, eh?

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Congrats to them on lowering their gun death rates while becoming the worst crime country in Europe. :lol: Yay gun bans!

Also, if you rank the US per capita, which is what any more objective person would do, the US ranks in the high 20s.

Reality does bite, especially for anti gun propagandists, when people who they're arguing with actually know what they're talking about.

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http://www.telegraph...itas-study.html

http://www.dailymail...Africa-U-S.html

Yep, reality does bite, for you that is, as reality suggests that less guns for the UK may bring less gun crimes (and there are reasons why the UK was allowed to pass such gun bans that would never work in the US, or to the extent they are, even pass constitutional muster), it sure as hell has enabled violent crimes to be as bad as they are with criminals knowing full well law abiding citizens won't be armed.

You can squabble with yourself about what you believe to be ambiguous definitions of "rape" and "burglary". :lol: This leftist UK utopia, though, is a non-existent one. "Reality bites" indeed.

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As the New Zealand study points out it is not possible to compare violent crime rates across countries given the varying offence definitions and numerous other factor unless you re-weight the data and take into account the different definitions.

And when that is done you get very different results. And that study is neutral as it uses New Zealand as the base comparison between the UK and US rate.

As that report points out the differences just in definitions can be massive. Look at the how New Zealnd comes out when the US model is applied and then that of the UK (England and Wales in this case).

If you use the US definition of violent crime and apply it to New Zealand stats you get (per Table 4):

Number and rate per 100,000 population of violent offences for New Zealand in 2000, according to the American definition of violent crime

Number of offences recorded in NZ - 5095

Rate per 100,000 population in NZ - 132.6

If you use the UK definition of violent crime and apply it to New Zealand stats you get (per Table 8):

Number and rate per 100,000 population of violence offences for New Zealand in 2000, according to the England and Wales’ definition

Number of offences recorded in NZ - 46291

Rate per 100,000 population in NZ - 1204.5

Basically a difference of a factor of 9 times.

Yes reality truly does bite, eh.

But first you have to be able to recognize reality and that is a problem with your figures.

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"Violent crime" has sub-classes like rape, homicide, and so forth. Enlighten us as to what the differing definitions of "rape" are that make England (and the UK in general) more safe than the US for since you believe you know so much.

Also, quite a bit if irony when mentioned that the US' problem with violence are rather unique and here you are pointing out that two countries cannot be compared because their unique definitions of "violent crime".

You better get what you call "reality" a check-up. Every time you use this word it's a blatant attempt to convince yourself of this more than anyone else.

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You can define assault weapons howsoever you wish. In the US it is a class of firearms that have certain defined characteristics and includes rifles, shotguns and handguns.

In Canada we use classifications such as restricted and prohibited to describe controlled weapons and they are not just firearms:

http://laws-lois.jus...2/FullText.html

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How many of you or your family own a .22LR rifle for plinking? The AR-15 family of rifles shoots the .223 and it's well loved for the same purpose... plinking at the range. Also a capable deer rifle. Ammunittion is cheap and plentiful. It's easy to handle so smaller people, kids, and ladies can handle the recoil. It's the everymans rifle.

Bleeding hearts. Kennedy was shot by an old italian bolt action,BAN ALL RIFLES WITH A BOLT ACTION IT IT!!!!!!!

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OH * people, How many of you or your family own a .22LR rifle for plinking? The AR-15 family of rifles shoots the .223 and it's well loved for the same purpose... plinking at the range. Also a capable deer rifle. Ammunittion is cheap and plentiful. It's easy to handle so smaller people, kids, and ladies can handle the recoil. It's the everymans rifle.

Bleeding heart liberal *. Kennedy was shot by an old italian bolt action, * BAN ALL RIFLES WITH A BOLT ACTION IT IT!!!!!!!

*Swear filter bypasses and inappropriate language removed

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How many of you or your family own a .22LR rifle for plinking? The AR-15 family of rifles shoots the .223 and it's well loved for the same purpose... plinking at the range. Also a capable deer rifle. Ammunittion is cheap and plentiful. It's easy to handle so smaller people, kids, and ladies can handle the recoil. It's the everymans rifle.

Bleeding hearts. Kennedy was shot by an old italian bolt action, BAN ALL RIFLES WITH A BOLT ACTION IT IT!!!!!!!

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