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US gun owners show off their Christmas 'toys'

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And given what we know of the family situation that should have been something that was foreseeable.

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All my guns are locked up, I'm the only one with a key. I have a 1 year old boy so no worries there.

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The point I was trying to make is even if the percentage is low, I would rather be safe then sorry.

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According to reports Ms. Lanza also had her firearms securely stored. How did that work out?

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According to reports Ms. Lanza also had her firearms securely stored. How did that work out?

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Obviously they were not"secure". If someone has access to a key, that's not secure. For someone to get my guns they would need a cutting torch, that's if they could find the safe.

If ms Lanza guns were secure, then no one would of been able to access them. So for you to say they were secure means nothing, because her son got ahold of them.

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And you would be a rare exception if that is the case.

In the how to store video by the CFP, a secure storage room is a closet shown with a hollow core door, exposed hinges, a simple door lock with no security plate which is used as the example of a “specifically designed room”.

And in the Heller case SCOTUS ruled that laws which required secure storage of a firearm for home defence (trigger lock or locked storage) was unconstitutional. The court ruled that the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is therefore unconstitutional.

http://www.lawnix.com/cases/dc-heller.html

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All my buddies guns are under lock and key in a gun safe.

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Trigger locks are absolutely useless. It takes a coat hanger and 30 seconds an you can have any trigger lock off of a firearm. Cable locks are the same. A good pair of side cutters and it can be removed.

The only way a firearm is secure is if it is in a proper safe with only the owner holding the key or the code to get In.

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According to a recent article in the Ottawa Citizen there were 3,800 semi-automatic AR-15 rifles or variants of the same design registered in Canada and 1% had been reported stolen or lost and only one was recovered.

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Ok so 37 ar-15 in the wrong hands? There is nothing special about a semi auto ar-15 it fires a 223 round, lots of non restricted fire arms do. It's also semiauto.lots of firearms are.

It's classed as an assault rifle but it isn't a super gun.

Ya that sucks that someone who shouldn't have that gun does, but what about all the guns criminals have? Shotguns, handguns etc.

If a criminal wants a gun they will get one.

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And having more guns about means that it is much easier for criminals to get their hands on them.

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The point I was trying to make is even if the percentage is low, I would rather be safe then sorry.

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Oh for sure. I'm not denying people need to be more accountable for their guns. Or that the safe storage laws are a joke.

But an outright ban is not the solution.

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And having more guns about means that it is much easier for criminals to get their hands on them.

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Because the risk you bring upon yourself and your family by having guns around outweighs the safety you perceive to have.

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Having more anything means it's easier for criminals to get their hands on them. Hell, having better TV's, more jewellery, and so on makes it easier for criminals to get their hands on them. What you personally have that criminals can get their hands on is no justification for not having them when they are properly stored and kept away. There obviously is no perfect way to keep it out of the wrong hands, as seen with the Lanza case, but these are extreme exceptions to the rule and such should be kept at arm's length from determining policy for everyone else. That's just common sense talking though, which surely will disagree with you.

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Haha, so because of what you read or hear from the media, you assume everyone with a gun is going to kill themselves or someone else?

And the guns aren't just "around" they are safely locked up and are used for hunting and target shooting.

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Relying on someone that's broken into your home only to limit their criminality to property is foolish, in Canada and especially the U.S. where "income" crime is often just a secondary consideration to hurting or raping the occupants.

Think the "Tag Team Rapists" of Surrey or the Petit family murderers here.

Or maybe they actually are there just to steal, but are so strung out on drugs, desperate, facing a lifetime bid if caught, maybe all three, that even they don't know what they'd do when it came down to it.

Anyways I'd being willing to bet that most of those "missing" guns, lost in a canoe accident no doubt, are still with their owners.

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