D-Money Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Seems like the gravy years for the owner; seeing as Briere is still top 6 on virtually all teams... I still do not see the buyout? But I stand corrected on the details; thanx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 Definitely. Briere's been money for Philly, but: 1) He'll be 36 years old at the start of the 2013-14 season. 2) He'll have a 6.5 million dollar cap hit for two more seasons. 3) He'll only have 5 million salary dollars left to pay out. Make no mistake, if Flyers get an amnesty buyout, they'll use it on Briere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Schroeder edler for couturier simmonds I think they would do it if they knew they could sign him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsasaki Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I'm not a fan of trading Edler, but here's what I've come up with: -Wayne Simmonds -Max Talbot -Braden Coburn For -Alex Edler -Yann Sauve -2nd round pick Maybe a little biased towards us, but whatever Vancouver: Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Booth - Kesler - Simmonds Higgins - Talbot - Hansen Volpatti - Lapierre - Weise Hamhuis - Bieksa Coburn - Garrison Ballard - Tanev Luongo - Schneider Philadelphia: Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek Schenn - Couturier - Briere Read - Betts - Fedetenko Rinaldo - Shelley - Sestito Edler - Timonen Schenn - Mezsaros Grossman - Gervais Bryzgalov Leighton I'm sure Philly would sign a 3C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Couturier and a 1st is a little high of an asking price for a D man who will be a UFA soon anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 To Vancouver: Sean Couturier, 2013 1st To Philly: Alex Edler, Yann Sauve Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 1, 2013 Author Share Posted January 1, 2013 Not even close. Visnovsky who is a UFA at the end of the season was traded to the Islanders for a 2nd, that's it. Couturier is worth at least the value of a top 10 pick and you have another 1st? Keep dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Comparing Visnovsky and Edler is like comparing apples and oranges, absolutely no similarites. Visnovsky - 36 year old - Declining and on the verge of retirement - Only has 3 productive seasons - Former all-star Edler - 26 year old coming off a 49 point season - All-star, top 2/4 D man - Just entering his prime You can keep dreaming if you don't think teams like Philly needing defensemen wouldn't pay a premium price if one like Edler became available, both you and King undervalue the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Age and prime doesn't matter. It's how well the player is expected to perform for the length of time a team has their rights. In this case, it's both just one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Age and prime doesn't matter?? What is wrong with you? Of course age and prime matter. Would you rather have a 36 year old on the verge of retirement or a 26 year old top 2, physical, offensive D man just entering his prime and can play for 10-15 more years? If they had to choose 99% of hockey fans would take Edler over Visnovsky any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 If we lose Edler we better get a defenceman back in return. We're thin enough on the blueline as it is, and Philly have quite a few physical guys that we could use. Edler and maybe a late pick for Grossman or Coburn and a 1st round pick or someone like Matt Read. Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Higgins - Kesler - Booth Read - Lapierre - Hansen Raymond - Malhotra - Kassian Hamhuis - Bieksa Coburn - Garrison Ballard - Tanev Alberts Suddenly we've transformed our defence from a very mobile, fragile, small one in 2011 that was battered and bruised to one of the most physical D's in the league, akin to that of Boston and LA that cruised through the playoffs. With the Sedins up front they'll all be capable of scoring anyway, but with that size back there they'll be much better suited for the playoffs. Also our forwards are far deeper when you throw a 40-point player into the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Kaberle was a declining rental, comparable offensive upside, nowhere near as good of a two-way player, nor as physical as Edler. He cost Boston a first round pick, a first round prospect and another second round pick. Edler's worth more. Philly threw huge money at Weber, and if the issue with Edler re-signing is money and term... they pony up like anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 If we lose Edler we better get a defenceman back in return. We're thin enough on the blueline as it is, and Philly have quite a few physical guys that we could use. Edler and maybe a late pick for Grossman or Coburn and a 1st round pick or someone like Matt Read. Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Higgins - Kesler - Booth Read - Lapierre - Hansen Raymond - Malhotra - Kassian Hamhuis - Bieksa Coburn - Garrison Ballard - Tanev Alberts Suddenly we've transformed our defence from a very mobile, fragile, small one in 2011 that was battered and bruised to one of the most physical D's in the league, akin to that of Boston and LA that cruised through the playoffs. With the Sedins up front they'll all be capable of scoring anyway, but with that size back there they'll be much better suited for the playoffs. Also our forwards are far deeper when you throw a 40-point player into the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Coburn > value than Edler. Are the Canucks going to trade Edler at the deadline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 If they were offered Couturier and a 1st and they knew they couldn't re-sign him then I don't know why they wouldn't take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Not even close. Visnovsky who is a UFA at the end of the season was traded to the Islanders for a 2nd, that's it. Couturier is worth at least the value of a top 10 pick and you have another 1st? Keep dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 If we lose Edler we better get a defenceman back in return. We're thin enough on the blueline as it is, and Philly have quite a few physical guys that we could use. Edler and maybe a late pick for Grossman or Coburn and a 1st round pick or someone like Matt Read. Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Higgins - Kesler - Booth Read - Lapierre - Hansen Raymond - Malhotra - Kassian Hamhuis - Bieksa Coburn - Garrison Ballard - Tanev Alberts Suddenly we've transformed our defence from a very mobile, fragile, small one in 2011 that was battered and bruised to one of the most physical D's in the league, akin to that of Boston and LA that cruised through the playoffs. With the Sedins up front they'll all be capable of scoring anyway, but with that size back there they'll be much better suited for the playoffs. Also our forwards are far deeper when you throw a 40-point player into the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Coburn > value than Edler. Are the Canucks going to trade Edler at the deadline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Coburn > value than Edler. Are the Canucks going to trade Edler at the deadline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 As usual you let your anti-Canuck blinders cloud your judgement, claiming that Coburn > value than Edler. Edler was 6th in scoring, 15th in Norris voting. Coburn didn't finish in the top 50 and wasn't on the Norris map. Edler's UFA status does not drop his value as dramatically as you wish. The evidence of that is and will remain very clear. If Edler will re-sign I doubt he will be moved. Regardless, he is easily worth what people in this thread are proposing. Your authority to say what Holmgren would or would not do is nothing. Evidently you missed the move he made to acquire Weber. It's no mystery that Holmgren wants and needs to create some balance on that club. Like the Oil, they are very top heavy with a suspect blueline and average goaltending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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