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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:51 PM

Nope, don't think so. You're probably too young to remember these things; here's a little history lesson.

Sedin's were projected as "solid second-liners" from the day that they were drafted. They were largely ineffective in their first few years in the league. Highlights here and there, but extremely slow, weak, and basically just shells of what they've turned in to since 2009. The "solid second-liner" moniker really didn't leave them until the '08-'09 season, when they really started to assume a leadership role with this team and assert themselves as elite players - and, for the first time in their careers, they actually performed pretty well in the playoffs. To be honest, one of Mike Gillis' most underrated moves as our GM was extending the Sedin's back in 2009; there were a lot of people that wanted the rebuild to commence at that point, as the Sedin's were not thought-of as top-level, elite players. And I think Gillis really thought hard about the direction that he wanted to go in, and it was close (or else Burke wouldn't have flown out to Ornskoldsvik). Then 2009-10 came, and the rest is history.

Kesler was drafted as a 3rd line grinding checker. Nobody expected him to score 40 goals - or anything even close, really. Like the Sedin's, Kesler didn't show much promise in his early years, and then pretty much just exploded in 2008, with Burrows.

Both of these guys have turned out to be far, far better than anybody expected them to be. Which is why it's different than Cody.

Cody was the golden boy, the polite, well-mannered Canadian kid that won every coach's choice award in the OHL, went on to be the CHL player of the year, was the Hockey News' top prospect, was arguably the best player on Canada's WJC run, etc. People expect greatness out of Cody, which was not the case with anyone that we've drafted since Trevor Linden.


So he was the most overhyped. Not the best.
And after his injury and a slow start to his pro career, I don't think anybody expected this "greatness" you seem to be thinking they did. I admit for a time after the 08/09 I was pretty optimistic, it wasn't long until I went back to thinking he would be a solid 2nd liner, like many others had when we drafted him. Right now that looks like what he will be.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:14 PM

Wow. King has revised reality as usual, giving us his truly unique take on things.

The Sedins were projected as 2nd liners LOL. Teams always use the 2nd and 3rd overall picks hoping to pick up some second liners lol. Nonsense only King could claim. Burke was extremely aggressive in his bid to get both picks - because he projected them (like alot of other people) to be truly special franchise players.

Hodgson the best prospect in 20 years? Absolutely laughable..

Nor was Kesler drafted as a "third line grinding checker." Once again, the world according to King.

He was drafted in the first round as a solid two-way player - the exact type of player he has developed into.

The fact that he "exploded" while playing for AV would suggest once again that AV is terrible at developing young players...

Edited by oldnews, 04 January 2013 - 06:37 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:21 PM

Wow, so you'd rather have Jason Garrison for 6 years at $4.6M per than Justin Schultz on an ELC.

Incredible.


A proven NHL defensemen who brings a more solid, reliable all round game over an overhyped overpaid (3.75) rookie. Yes I think it is much better for us with the way we are situated right now.

If that's the case, then why was he benched?

No one really expected more? He was a 2nd round pick! Taken ahead of guys like Tatar, McNabb, Craig Smith, Horak, etc. To say that nobody is "surprised" by this is just ridiculous. I'll repeat - 1 goal in 22 games. That's pretty hard to do as a stay-at-home defenceman, let alone as a guy who's there exclusively to provide offense.


"If thats the case why was he benched?" Because Scott Arniel is an absolute genius.

Lol I can play this "Taken ahead of" game too.

Cody Hodgson was taken ahead of: Tyler Myers, Jake Gardiner, Erik Karlsson, Luca Sbisa, John Carlson, Slava Voynov, Micheal Del Zotto, Tyler Ennis, Jordan Eberle, Your Boy Justin Schultz, Derek Stepan, Adam Henrique.

Micheal Grabner was taken ahead of: Patrik Berglund, Claude Giroux (!!!), Seymon Varlamov, Nikolai Kulemin, Milan Lucic.

Even Your Boy Justin Schultz Was taken ahead of Adam Henrique, Travis Hamonic, Braden Holtby, Andrei Loktionov, Jared Spuergeon, Andres Lindback and Derek Stepan just to name a few


So I do not see what that proves, no one expects a ton from Rodin, I'm hopeful after seeing him play for myself a few times that he could be a productive 2 way 3rd liner, but don't worry King I'm not going to cry myself to sleep in 5 years if he isn't apart of our organization.

As for the rest of your post, you're just trying to ignore the fact (to feel better about your team's prospects - denial) that any time a prospect shows regressive numbers, it is not a good thing. I will again point out the fact that if Kassian, or Rodin, or anybody else, was leading the AHL in points, this place would be brimming with hype. Stats are conveniently meaningless when, and only when, they go in the opposite direction of the hometown bias.


This is the part I was really excited to get too.

Because this proves to me without a shadow of a doubt you balantly threw aside the most important part of my post, so here it is again.


Now I hope you read read that atleast 10 times before you respond because if you come back with a stat related argument without actually knowing what is going on, and u come back harping on prospects that no one expected to be much further ahead than they already are, then that will be the #1 sign that you are simply Trolling (As if it isn't obvious already like duh) And honestly my post isn't about arguing about prospects anyways so I don't know why you would but you never fail to amazing me so I am bracing myself for the worst.

Now seriously come on King, please just realize these thingsbeforeyou post and unfairly judge with no clue of what is even going on in the first place.

Above all else just take everything I said into heavy consideration before you reply please.


Glad to see you read and caught all those parts of my post.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:32 PM

Nope, don't think so. You're probably too young to remember these things; here's a little history lesson.

Sedin's were projected as "solid second-liners" from the day that they were drafted. They were largely ineffective in their first few years in the league. Highlights here and there, but extremely slow, weak, and basically just shells of what they've turned in to since 2009. The "solid second-liner" moniker really didn't leave them until the '08-'09 season, when they really started to assume a leadership role with this team and assert themselves as elite players - and, for the first time in their careers, they actually performed pretty well in the playoffs. To be honest, one of Mike Gillis' most underrated moves as our GM was extending the Sedin's back in 2009; there were a lot of people that wanted the rebuild to commence at that point, as the Sedin's were not thought-of as top-level, elite players. And I think Gillis really thought hard about the direction that he wanted to go in, and it was close (or else Burke wouldn't have flown out to Ornskoldsvik). Then 2009-10 came, and the rest is history.

Kesler was drafted as a 3rd line grinding checker. Nobody expected him to score 40 goals - or anything even close, really. Like the Sedin's, Kesler didn't show much promise in his early years, and then pretty much just exploded in 2008, with Burrows.

Both of these guys have turned out to be far, far better than anybody expected them to be. Which is why it's different than Cody.

Cody was the golden boy, the polite, well-mannered Canadian kid that won every coach's choice award in the OHL, went on to be the CHL player of the year, was the Hockey News' top prospect, was arguably the best player on Canada's WJC run, etc. People expect greatness out of Cody, which was not the case with anyone that we've drafted since Trevor Linden.


I guess your still hoping Cody will become a poor mans Steven Stamkos like some so slightly suggested around draft day.

I guess you also are forgetting that the Sedins were rated #1 and #2 in the draft rankings heading into the draft, but I guess players projected to be "Solid 2nd liners" are being rated #1 and #2 and going in the top 3 nowadays.

You also forgot about many others:
- Pavel Bure
- Luc Bourdon
- Petr Nedved (2nd Overall Pick
- Cory Schneider
- Ryan Kesler
- The Sedins (as I just touched on)
- Bryan Allen (4th Overall Pick)
- Brad Ference (10th Overall Pick)
- Josh Holden (12th Overall Pick)
- Mattias Ohlund
- Jason Herter (8th Overall Pick)
- Chris McCalister (14th Overall Pick)

Then look at a prospects/young players we have acquired like Markus Naslund, Ed Jovanoski, Todd Bertuzzi & Kirk McLean.

Yet you rate Cody Hodgson and his 41 Points season ahead of all of these guys..

I just don't understand it.....

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 04 January 2013 - 06:32 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:34 PM

King has revised reality as usual, giving us his truly unique take on things.

The Sedins were projected as 2nd liners haha. Teams always use the 2nd and 3rd overall picks hoping to pick up some second liners. Nonsense only King could claim.

Nor was Kesler drafted as a "third line grinding checker." Once again, the world according to King.

He was drafted in the first round as a solid two-way player - the exact type of player he has developed into.

The fact that he "exploded" while playing for AV would suggest once again that AV is terrible at developing young players...


Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Nathan Mackinnon, Sasha Barkov and Johnathon Drouin turn out to be just "Solid 2nd Liners" Like the Sedin's were apparently projected too.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:42 PM

Yet you rate Cody Hodgson and his 41 Points season ahead of all of these guys..

I just don't understand it.....


That is correct, you don't understand it. Common theme with you, so it seems.

You may want to familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word "expectations", and try reading my post again.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

Excuses don't explain, and explanations don't excuse, so I won't offer any.

The fact of the matter is that his production has dropped, which is the point of this thread. It's discussion-worthy.


Hokay, so this will be another of those questions to which you will not supply even a barely adequate answer once you've painted yourself into a corner. Your input suggests that it is time to trot out the gloom, despair and agony song:




Other than providing a bunch of pointless stats, and sharing your opinion that any possible explanation provided by others is an excuse, and as such is invalid, you aren't really adding anything of value to this discussion, are you? :)

Why are the stats pointless? Well, there is no context attached to them if we follow your rules. They are lower than those from a previous time period, but there's nothing to indicate why they are what they are. It is merely a reporting of "data".

The only reason you chose to report them up is that they are "discussion-worthy", and they are, but without the proper context they are mostly worthless. I suspect that they will become less worthy of discussion if Kassian picked up the pace a bit and scored a few more points, yes? Or would you feel compelled to offer some explanations (sorry, I meant to say "excuses") as to why Kassian was now providing better numbers?

I find this to be discussion-worthy.


You're aware that we gave up arguably the best prospect that we've had since Trevor Linden for him, right?


I thought Patrick White was traded in that deal with San Jose that brought Lukowich and Ehrhoff here?


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:47 PM

That is correct, you don't understand it. Common theme with you, so it seems.

You may want to familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word "expectations", and try reading my post again.


Cody's far fetched expectations initially from most fans was probably to possibly be a 1st liner, not a top tier 1st liner but a decent 1st liner.

Once everyone came to there sense they realized he is likely to be a solid 2nd line center.

And now you think the Sedin's didn't have bigger "expectations" than Cody.

The Sedin's were expected to carry the franchise! I'm sure alot of projected 2nd liners are expected to do that right???


You saying Cody is the best prospect we have had since Trevor Linden just shows you haven't follow this team long, and aren't a big fan if a fan at all.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

Wow. King has revised reality as usual, giving us his truly unique take on things.

The Sedins were projected as 2nd liners LOL. Teams always use the 2nd and 3rd overall picks hoping to pick up some second liners lol. Nonsense only King could claim. Burke was extremely aggressive in his bid to get both picks - because he projected them (like alot of other people) to be truly special franchise players.

Hodgson the best prospect in 20 years? Absolutely laughable..

Nor was Kesler drafted as a "third line grinding checker." Once again, the world according to King.

He was drafted in the first round as a solid two-way player - the exact type of player he has developed into.

The fact that he "exploded" while playing for AV would suggest once again that AV is terrible at developing young players...


You're either a lot younger than I thought, or you've got a very short-term memory.

Nobody expected the Sedin's to be what they've turned out to be. "Solid second-liners" was a description that followed them around everywhere. "Not 1st-line guys"..."not going to carry a team on their back"..."very good support players"..."the type to shy away in the playoffs"...etc. Even when they were drafted, they were not thought to be slam-dunk future superstars in the way that Cody Hodgson had been, especially in the year that followed us drafting him. Funny how Brian Burke is speaking in pure hyperbole when he references Luke Schenn, but pure truth with the Sedin's. Hmm. Derp.

As to Kesler, you may want to watch this:



I stand by my point that both the Sedin's and Kesler have far, far exceeded their expectations.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:53 PM

The Sedin's were expected to carry the franchise! I'm sure alot of projected 2nd liners are expected to do that right???


:lol:

How old were you in 1999? Total hogwash.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:58 PM

You're either a lot younger than I thought, or you've got a very short-term memory.

Nobody expected the Sedin's to be what they've turned out to be. "Solid second-liners" was a description that followed them around everywhere. "Not 1st-line guys"..."not going to carry a team on their back"..."very good support players"..."the type to shy away in the playoffs"...etc. Even when they were drafted, they were not thought to be slam-dunk future superstars in the way that Cody Hodgson had been, especially in the year that followed us drafting him. Funny how Brian Burke is speaking in pure hyperbole when he references Luke Schenn, but pure truth with the Sedin's. Hmm. Derp.

I stand by my point that both the Sedin's and Kesler have far, far exceeded their expectations.


And you have a more creative 'memory'/imagination than I thought.
Here's some homework - go get us some actual quotes of people saying the Sedins were not projected to be 1st line types, that they were support staff, or whatever other nonsense you are putting in mythological people's mouths.

LOL regarding the slam-dunk superstar status of Hodgson. You are delusional.

Edited by oldnews, 04 January 2013 - 07:04 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:00 PM

As for the rest of your post, you're just trying to ignore the fact (to feel better about your team's prospects - denial) that any time a prospect shows regressive numbers, it is not a good thing.


So when Hodgson's numbers declined in the latter half of last season, this was an indication in your eyes that he was a bust and it was a good thing that Gillis unloaded him when he did. I understand now. :)


I will again point out the fact that if Kassian, or Rodin, or anybody else, was leading the AHL in points, this place would be brimming with hype. Stats are conveniently meaningless when, and only when, they go in the opposite direction of the hometown bias.


And they are conveniently meaningful when, and only when, they go in the direction of your personal bias on this subject.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:01 PM

I stand by my point that both the Sedin's and Kesler have far, far exceeded their expectations.


And for what you seem to think Hodgson was supposed to be, I guess he hasn't been meeting them.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:04 PM

Here's some homework - go get us some actual quotes of people saying the Sedins were not projected to be 1st line types, that they were support staff, or whatever other nonsense you are putting in mythological people's mouths.


Here's a good account of what happened.

The Sedins are the most glaring example of why teams need to bepatient with their young players.

After being drafted in 1999, the Sedins decided against jumping directly to the NHL and played one final season in the Swedish Elite League for MODO. The twins led MODO in scoring with Daniel scoring 45 points in 50 games and Henrik besting him with 47 points in 50 games.

Forgoing the NHL as teenagers also allowed the pair to play in the World Junior Hockey Championship, which they surely wouldn't have been released for by the Canucks if they were in the NHL. Both ended up in the top-5 in tournament scoring for a Swedish team that finished fourth.

The twins also played in the IIHF World Hockey Championships that season and combined for 10 points in 7 games. Not many teenaged players get an opportunity to play in this type of tournament, especially those who have yet to play in the NHL.

The Sedins became NHL regulars the following season, 2000-01, at 20-years-old and had unspectacular rookie seasons. Henrik scored 9 goals and finished with 29 points, while Daniel had a better season with 20 goals, but only 34 points.

The next season it was Henrik who had the better year, increasing his goal total to 16 and accumulating 36 points, a modest increase of seven from his rookie season. Daniel experienced a sophomore slump, dropping to 9 goals and only 32 points, almost a mirror image of Henrik's rookie year.

The next season was not much different. Henrik's goal totals dropped to single digits—a whopping 8—but his point totals once again increased slightly, this time to 39. Daniel regained his goal-scoring touch, hitting 14, but settled for 31 points, again another decrease.

Three seasons in the league, approaching their 23rd birthdays, and the twins had yet to hit 40 points. Not exactly the type of production expected from top-5 draft picks.

Slow development, and not exactly linear. Not what fans in Vancouver were hoping for when Brian Burke pulled a rabbit out of his hat to get the twins on draft day four years earlier.

In 2003, people were openly wondering whether the Sedins were busts for the Canucks, despite the fact that the entire 1999 draft class was pretty terrible and the Sedins were actually few of those drafted to contribute anything at the NHL level.

Here's a quote at the time from a thread called "Sedins's 2nd line players, maybe even 3rd" on hockeyforum.com:

"And to think that the Canucks give up McCabe to draft them. Doesn't look like such a great move now."


Remember that quote when you read and comment in any thread about a young player. Do you want to be that idiot claiming the 23-year-old Sedins weren't worth Bryan McCabe?

In the thread there is some reasoned talk about patience, a lot more about trading the twins for nothing, and then some non-sequitursabout an aqua-fit class and some bad Swedish jokes. Sounds like the stupidity of a hockey forum.

The Sedins took a leap forward in 2003-04, most visibly Daniel, who broke the 50 point barrier and ended the season with 54, 20 points higher than his rookie season. Henrik didn't have the same type of leap, but once again featured the methodical steady increase in production that saw his career year of 39 points demolished by a 42 point campaign.

After this season people were a little more bullish on the Sedins—at least Daniel—but there was at least still a debate as to whether they were busts, and most people, even the more optimistic, saw them as good second-liners, but not much more.

Here's another doozy of a quote, this time on whether the Sedins are the best second-liners in the league and whether there is someone else from the 1999 draft that you would select over them. Of course, it's from hfboards.com:

"Have you ever heard of Mike Comrie? I'd easily take him over either. Maybe I'd take Daniel over him, maybe. And they're definitely not the best second liners in the NHL. Slava Kozlov and Mike Johnson are my votes for best second liners in the NHL..."

Wow. Pretty good stuff going on right there. Mike Comrie, Slava Kozlov, and Mike Johnson are all preferred over the Sedins.

Then came the lockout, the Sedins signed with MODO of the Swedish Elite League and had statistically worse seasons than they did when they were teenagers.

There was nothing to suggest the Sedins were going to become superstars, but they did.

After the lockout the Sedins took their big leap forward into superstardom, both cracking 70 points, turning Anson Carter into a 30-goal player, and making anyone who bemoaned the loss of Bryan McCabe feel like a complete idiot.

The Sedins completed six seasons of professional hockey, four in the NHL, and were 25-years-old when they had their huge breakout in their fifth NHL season. That's a long time. People want to write off young players after two seasons, sometimes even one, if they don't perform.

It took a long time for the Sedins to become the Sedins we know today, but the patience was well worth it. Since the lockout theSedins have combined for 1149 points in 1087 games. That's averages out to about 86 points a season for each player.

The Sedins have won two Art Ross trophies, Henrik won a Hart Trophy, Daniel won a Ted Lindsay Award (most outstanding player as judged by the players), and the two have combined for multiple First and Second All-Star Team awards.

I'd say that's about elite as they come.

Over time the Sedins went from lottery pick busts, to potential trade bait, then graduating to solid second-line players at max, before finally becoming the MVP-calibre players everyone always knew they would be.

Everyone gets excited for young players, but the moment they don't progress in a simple, upwardly linear fashion, people are more than eager to jump off the bandwagon.

The Sedins are obviously an extreme example of development gone right, but the example is poignant nonetheless.

Be patient. Keep the faith.


http://www.fiveminut...r-patience.html
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:07 PM

Here's a good account of what happened.

Everyone gets excited for young players, but the moment they don't progress in a simple, upwardly linear fashion, people are more than eager to jump off the bandwagon.

The Sedins are obviously an extreme example of development gone right, but the example is poignant nonetheless.

Be patient. Keep the faith.


Please read what I have kept in your article and think about it in regards to your views on Kassian. Thanks.

Edited by Jägermeister, 04 January 2013 - 07:09 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:09 PM

hockeyforum.com:

http://www.fiveminut...r-patience.html



LOL. KIng is quoting fans in threads in irrelevant discussions on random peripheral sites.
Pathetic.
I looked at your link - first thing that pops up is a Botox ad - the site is sponsored by Motorcycle.com... that's an odd demographic you fished that one out of there King.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:14 PM

LOL. KIng is quoting fans in threads in irrelevant discussions on random peripheral sites.
Pathetic.


You asked for quotes from people. Unfortunately, Twitter, "Deadline Day", etc., didn't exist back than.

Apparently, nor did your desire for hockey, as you're totally out to lunch if you think that the expectations for the Sedin's upon being drafted were to be anything close to Hart & Art Ross winners.

Here's more:an article discussing Stefan & Brendl, with the Sedin's briefly mentioned in the middle, essentially as secondary to the two to-be stars of the piece.

http://sportsillustr...ntrydraft_main/
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:18 PM

You asked for quotes from people. Unfortunately, Twitter, "Deadline Day", etc., didn't exist back than.

Apparently, nor did your desire for hockey, as you're totally out to lunch if you think that the expectations for the Sedin's upon being drafted were to be anything close to Hart & Art Ross winners.

Here's more:an article discussing Stefan & Brendl, with the Sedin's briefly mentioned in the middle, essentially as secondary to the two to-be stars of the piece.

http://sportsillustr...ntrydraft_main/


I asked for quotes - I assumed you were talking about your regular "authorities" - I didn't realize you were talking about any random person with a keyboard and a profile on a second rate hockey discussion forum...
Well done.
I'm convinced lol.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:22 PM

Here's what Hockeysfuture had to say:

Canucks 1999 Draft Review


June 27th, 1999
"June 26th, 1999 could go down in the annals of Nuck history as the greatest moment in franchise history with the selection of the Sedin twins. "

That was obviously because the Canucks had just drafted a couple of support players for the second line LOL.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:31 PM

:lol:

How old were you in 1999? Total hogwash.


Think about it, our team was terrible around that time, then these 2 swedish twins come along who play together, who are unbelievably hyped, and they are rated #1 and #2, and you make some huge moves to get these guys, who do you expect? Them to be 2nd liners?

But since you won't believe that anyways watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKVQeDdSzMI

"Massive Exceptations"
"Hype"
"Carrying the future of this Franchise on there shoulders"

But no they weren't expected to be 1st line players and to be our franchise players, they were only expected to be 2nd liners, like most players rated #1 and #2.


Edit: Oh and that Article you dug up just proves why you should be patient with Zack and our other prospects, cause the Twins are making everyone who doubted them look like complete idiots now.

And BTW since Coho is expected to be Stamkos 2.0, hasn't he utterly failed to live up to expectations aswell by your logic??

By your logic it is a good thing we traded that bust.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 04 January 2013 - 07:35 PM.

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#351 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

Please read what I have kept in your article and think about it in regards to your views on Kassian. Thanks.


Omg thank you. +1

He contradicts himself so much it's unbelievable.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:38 PM

Time to rename the thread:

Multiple warning signs for Mods that King is a troll
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

You're either a lot younger than I thought, or you've got a very short-term memory.

Nobody expected the Sedin's to be what they've turned out to be. "Solid second-liners" was a description that followed them around everywhere. "Not 1st-line guys"..."not going to carry a team on their back"..."very good support players"..."the type to shy away in the playoffs"...etc. Even when they were drafted, they were not thought to be slam-dunk future superstars in the way that Cody Hodgson had been, especially in the year that followed us drafting him. Funny how Brian Burke is speaking in pure hyperbole when he references Luke Schenn, but pure truth with the Sedin's. Hmm. Derp.


Let's see....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lKVQeDdSzMI

"Massive expectations"

"Mario Lemieux got that kind of hype, Eric Lindros got that kind of hype. There's a mountain of expectations already"

"Well these two young men are carrying the future of the franchise on their shoulders"


Yup, sounds like low expectations to me.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:42 PM

+1 Baggins and Smashian.

But what were people on the Botox forums saying? :lol:

Edited by oldnews, 04 January 2013 - 07:52 PM.

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#355 Baggins

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:42 PM

Think about it, our team was terrible around that time, then these 2 swedish twins come along who play together, who are unbelievably hyped, and they are rated #1 and #2, and you make some huge moves to get these guys, who do you expect? Them to be 2nd liners?

But since you won't believe that anyways watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKVQeDdSzMI

"Massive Exceptations"
"Hype"
"Carrying the future of this Franchise on there shoulders"

But no they weren't expected to be 1st line players and to be our franchise players, they were only expected to be 2nd liners, like most players rated #1 and #2.


Edit: Oh and that Article you dug up just proves why you should be patient with Zack and our other prospects, cause the Twins are making everyone who doubted them look like complete idiots now.

And BTW since Coho is expected to be Stamkos 2.0, hasn't he utterly failed to live up to expectations aswell by your logic??

By your logic it is a good thing we traded that bust.


Ha! Beat me to it. :lol:

I remember very well the hype surrounding the Sedins. And how quick many on this board were to write them off as second liners at best. We should trade while they still have some value. Blah, blah, blah.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:53 PM

Cody's far fetched expectations initially from most fans was probably to possibly be a 1st liner, not a top tier 1st liner but a decent 1st liner.

Once everyone came to there sense they realized he is likely to be a solid 2nd line center.

Before the back injury stunted his development, Hodgson was the NHL's top ranked prospect and was seen, by many, as a potential PPG first line center. The Hodgson hype was huge, even outside Vancouver.

I don't think he was quite up to the Sedins' level of hype but most scouts had him ranked ahead of guys like Eberle, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, etc.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

Ha! Beat me to it. :lol:

I remember very well the hype surrounding the Sedins. And how quick many on this board were to write them off as second liners at best. We should trade while they still have some value. Blah, blah, blah.


Can't wait to hear what kind of crap excuse he can think of the respond to these.

It clearly proves he is aboslutely wrong.

Before the back injury stunted his development, Hodgson was the NHL's top ranked prospect and was seen, by many, as a potential PPG first line center. The Hodgson hype was huge, even outside Vancouver.

I don't think he was quite up to the Sedins' level of hype but most scouts had him ranked ahead of guys like Eberle, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, etc.


Yeah I agree.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:14 PM

Let's see....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lKVQeDdSzMI

"Massive expectations"

"Mario Lemieux got that kind of hype, Eric Lindros got that kind of hype. There's a mountain of expectations already"

"Well these two young men are carrying the future of the franchise on their shoulders"


Yup, sounds like low expectations to me.


This message brought to you by the man who would not trade Luke Schenn for 10 1st round picks.

And Burke comparing the hype surrounding the Sedin's to Mario Lemieux and Eric Lindros is utterly hysterical. Not even close, especially in the case of Lindros, who was heralded as the next Gretzky. I don't recall Henrik Sedin ever being expected to score 2,000 points over his NHL career.

The reality of that time was that the team was a disaster, tickets were easy to come by and cheap (exactly why Burke was trying to hype them up so much - to help sell tickets), and there were not a lot of Canuck fans sold on the idea that a couple of Swedish twins were going to save the franchise.

Sedin's have way, way exceeded their expectations.

Edited by King of the ES, 04 January 2013 - 08:24 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:41 PM

This message brought to you by the man who would not trade Luke Schenn for 10 1st round picks.

And Burke comparing the hype surrounding the Sedin's to Mario Lemieux and Eric Lindros is utterly hysterical. Not even close, especially in the case of Lindros, who was heralded as the next Gretzky. I don't recall Henrik Sedin ever being expected to score 2,000 points over his NHL career.

The reality of that time was that the team was a disaster, tickets were easy to come by and cheap (exactly why Burke was trying to hype them up so much - to help sell tickets), and there were not a lot of Canuck fans sold on the idea that a couple of Swedish twins were going to save the franchise.

Sedin's have way, way exceeded their expectations.


Now King says LIndros was heralded as "the next Gretzky" muahahaha!

And I suppose Yakupov is hailed as the next Patrick Roy!

Still waiting for some credible quotes King - posts on the Botox boards written four years after the draft don't qualify.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:09 PM

:lol:

How old were you in 1999? Total hogwash.


Yeah,Kassian,how old were you in 1999?
Old news?
How many of you were as old as the Canucks as a franchise?
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