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#781 Kassian's Face

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:04 PM

I believe it was game 2 that he was placed on the 1st line.

When/how/why had he "earned" that spot, at that point?


Oh all this time I thought you were both a troll and a canucks fan who watches games. Turns out I was only half right. Although it is nice to have you back. Without you to say absolutely redonkulous things like this for the other CDC'ers to :picard: , they were turning on each other. Now they will be too busy shaking their heads at your posts to bother arguing with other members.

On a Kassian note, could you imagine if Talon gave in and we got a Lu for Bjugstad trade and in a couple years we would change from being one of the softest teams to a team that would easily man handle any other team. Hell it would be like having 2 Bertuzzi's.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

I believe it was game 2 that he was placed on the 1st line.

When/how/why had he "earned" that spot, at that point?

pretty sure he got a chance with the Sedins after burr was on a PK he did good things. so he got a shot at it.
I think it was not so much a Kassian experiment on the first as it was a burrows being top dog on a second/third line. they needed some balance and so far everyone seems to think that putting kass on the number one is working or else i am sure he would not be on that line every game since game 2.

the kid had been nothing but humble and mature , he understands he is a young player getting the opportunity of a lifetime to play with two Elite players on a cup contending team. he is not taking this for granted he even stated that "this opportunity can be taken away just as fast as he was given it" he understands why can't you .
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:06 PM

Hodgson has his first assist of the season Kassian needs to get one next game to keep pace
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:15 PM

Hodgson has his first assist of the season Kassian needs to get one next game to keep pace


Hodgson has to gain 50 pounds, grow a few inches, grow up, man up, and improve his all around game to keep up with Kassian.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:17 PM

Hodgson has his first assist of the season Kassian needs to get one next game to keep pace


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:32 PM

Herpder der der derpy herpde de der herpde Herpder derpy de der der derp derp de derp derp


Mmhmm... OR, he could score a goal, cuz, you know... that's how Kassian roles.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:35 PM

idk would be nice if next game he got an assist

hey since were playing chicago he could go for the gordie howe hat-trick
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:47 PM

Henrik threw a huge hit last game lol, I love Kass on that line, just wait till the Sedins pick it up, that line will dominate.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:15 PM

Hodgson has his first assist of the season Kassian needs to get one next game to keep pace


Kassian also has to win a couple of faceoffs.

Wait...neither has Hodgson?
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:42 PM

I dont get it :(


It was in reference to Kings lack of response.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:56 PM

I believe it was game 2 that he was placed on the 1st line.

When/how/why had he "earned" that spot, at that point?


Perhaps it's because his coach has seen far more of his on-ice play and chemistry with certain players than people watching televised games????????????? Fancy that, eh?

So he'd played one game in the public eye before getting his spot, BIG *&%$#*! DEAL. He would never have got that spot if his coach didn't feel he had earned it. Is the substance of your posts directly related to the length of your colon? (Sometimes certainly appears to be) There's playing Devil's Advocate, and then there's less than 24 hours back before the return to troll-like behavior.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:01 PM

Perhaps it's because his coach has seen far more of his on-ice play and chemistry with certain players than people watching televised games????????????? Fancy that, eh?

So he'd played one game in the public eye before getting his spot, BIG *&%$#*! DEAL. He would never have got that spot if his coach didn't feel he had earned it. Is the substance of your posts directly related to the length of your colon? There's playing Devil's Advocate, and then there's less than 24 hours back before the return to troll-like behavior.


Mmm .. excuse me Miz .. I believe the length of one's colon is only important relative to the size of their cranium? .. if you get my drift .. :rolleyes:
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

This is the new "Burrows do we really need him" thread right here.


We just need to bring back the minus button for this thread :(

"Speechless", yes, but that's because I was banned and unable to post.

I still don't know why so many seem to think that I'm rooting for Kassian to fail. If you actually read the post, I am simply stating concern that his year-over-year production in the AHL had declined. Please explain why this is such a preposterous question to ask.

One thing that I will say, though, is that Zack Kassian's 5 goals come off of just 15 shots. That is a shooting percentage that is simply not sustainable. I would not bet on this hot start continuing, unless he starts to become a lot more involved in the offense than what he's shown to date. Let's be honest - 3 of his 5 goals have been effective empty-netters. Kudos to him for being in the right spot, at the right time, but I expect a significant pullback in his goals as a fan.


Rather than admit you jumped the gun, you have to find something to criticize about.

And you were wrong.

Remember when you said said Kassian sucked, it's clear he doesn't.

You also said you often aren't wrong, and that you think he will only be a 4th line goon, which is already more than right now as a 22 year old.

Even aside from the goals you fail to agknowledge that he has give a long time rival a concussion in a fight, aswell as brought the physical play and fighting to go along with it. Everything we could have hoped.

Your concerns about him not being much at this level have been nothing but completely off base so far.

Last night's goal was an empty-net tap-in, thanks to a perfect pass by Hamhuis.

The one where he scored - at a tough angle, yes - on the PP when Hank dished it to him perfectly, was a wide open net.

And then the goal where the rebound bounced off his chest to his stick (Calgary?), was a wide open net.

Anyway, not to be nit-picky, but these are the facts. 5 goals on 15 shots suggests to me that he's had quite a bit of puck luck to start off the season.


Wow if you contribute Kassian's goals to puck luck, then I would love to hear what you think Cody Hodgson's goals.

One off a skate, one off his glove, then 2 "open nets"

I guess he is getting "puck luck" and actually sucks alot too right??

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 31 January 2013 - 08:15 PM.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:18 PM

Hodgson scores with his glove = skill
Kassian uses good positioning, and hockey IQ = luck
Am I missing something here?
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:47 PM

Mmm .. excuse me Miz .. I believe the length of one's colon is only important relative to the size of their cranium? .. if you get my drift .. :rolleyes:


I think she's referring to the size of the stick up said colon
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Wow I can't believe peoples replies...
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:52 PM

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"Speechless", yes, but that's because I was banned and unable to post.

I still don't know why so many seem to think that I'm rooting for Kassian to fail. If you actually read the post, I am simply stating concern that his year-over-year production in the AHL had declined. Please explain why this is such a preposterous question to ask.

One thing that I will say, though, is that Zack Kassian's 5 goals come off of just 15 shots. That is a shooting percentage that is simply not sustainable. I would not bet on this hot start continuing, unless he starts to become a lot more involved in the offense than what he's shown to date. Let's be honest - 3 of his 5 goals have been effective empty-netters. Kudos to him for being in the right spot, at the right time, but I expect a significant pullback in his goals as a fan.


Are you trolling? Or have you actually gone full retard?

0 of his 5 goals were empty netters, please don't insinuate such a thing again.

Is being in the right place at the right time a bad thing? Do you realize that hockey is not always played with the puck? A large part of it is figuring out where to be without the puck, not all players can do it well nor is it easy. He's done it in spades so far this season, why ignore that?

Most of us are merely observing and giving credit where credit is due, we're not looking in the past, we're not looking into the future, we're watching a young player succeed in the NHL. What you're doing is unnecessarily putting a player down based on your own bias. Whether it be because you really liked Hodgson or you're just not a fan of Kassian, your reasoning makes no sense what so ever.

It's so obvious that you will never give this kid credit no matter what he does. You should be embarrassed.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:23 PM

Kassian doesn't reach double digits in goals this season.

Overrating is retarded.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

Another thing which I find curious about Kassian's development to this point (aside from the lack of assists) is that he is at 0 +/-. I suppose this is something to do with the lack of production from the Sedins (or the team in general). Kassian being at "0" +/- and having only 5 points might indicate that he, and the guys on the ice with him, are fairly sound on defense, but I am open to other interpretations.

On the other hand, Hodgson now has 6 points, and plays on a line with guys who have scored 15 and 12 points. Interestingly enough, he is also at 0 +/-. What might this say about his personal defensive play and that of his linemates?


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:23 PM

And while it's nice that he does seem willing to throw the body, at times, and drop the gloves, at times, I really hope that we didn't trade Cody Hodgson for a bottom-six goon that will be lucky to get 5 - 10 goals per year in limited minutes. I'm beginning to wonder if Kassian has a bit of "Kyle Beach" in him; capable of so much, too stupid to realize it and in the penalty box way, way too much.

Who else is concerned?

Just cause you can phrase it as a question doesn't make it less of a statement. Obviously, you won't suck it up and say you were quite obviously talking through your own foot.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:25 PM

Kassian doesn't reach double digits in goals this season.

Overrating is retarded.

5 goals in 7 games leads you to believe he won't get 5 in 41?

Underrating is...
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

Kassian doesn't reach double digits in goals this season.

Overrating is retarded.


How much?

How much did King buy you for?
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:44 PM

Why does anyone give king of eating sh*# any attention? He's obviously a troll and probably just gets off on being one as well..
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:45 PM

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Edited by JohnLennon, 31 January 2013 - 10:49 PM.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:06 PM

King i herd a rumor that the Canucks are changing the spelling of the team to the Vancouver Kanucks ...they would not state why but we can only assume the K is for Kassian...........not King.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:26 AM

There's playing Devil's Advocate, and then there's less than 24 hours back before the return to troll-like behavior.


If you can't stand the heat, and if somebody having a different opinion than you hurts your feelings too significantly, perhaps you should find some place other than a message board to hang out on.

Someone made a point that Kassian had somehow "earned" his spot with the twins, which I found an interesting way to describe it. Thus far, it's been a successful experiment (from Kassian's perspective, not necessarily Daniel/Henrik/Alex's), but the tale of Zack Kassian ending up on Vancouver's 1st line is not exactly Mike Kostka slugging it out in the AHL until making his NHL debut at 27. Come on.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:32 AM

Rather than admit you jumped the gun, you have to find something to criticize about.

And you were wrong.

Remember when you said said Kassian sucked, it's clear he doesn't.


Nope, I don't remember ever saying that. Care to show me where I did?

Are you actually reading the content of what I write, or are you just seeing what you want to see?

You also said you often aren't wrong, and that you think he will only be a 4th line goon, which is already more than right now as a 22 year old.

Even aside from the goals you fail to agknowledge that he has give a long time rival a concussion in a fight, aswell as brought the physical play and fighting to go along with it. Everything we could have hoped.

Your concerns about him not being much at this level have been nothing but completely off base so far.


Again, wrong. People sure do enjoy putting words in my mouth. I said that I hope - very important word - that we didn't end up trading Cody Hodgson for a 4th line goon. Try reading a little slower next time.

And there's nothing at all wrong with my concerns. They were and are valid. If a guy's production in the minor league has dropped, when it should be getting better, how is that not a concern?!?

Wow if you contribute Kassian's goals to puck luck, then I would love to hear what you think Cody Hodgson's goals.

One off a skate, one off his glove, then 2 "open nets"

I guess he is getting "puck luck" and actually sucks alot too right??


Hodgson's averaging roughly 3.5 shots per game. Kassian's barely averaging 2. Kassian's 5 goals come off of 15 shots. That is a shockingly high SHP that will almost certainly not continue.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:47 AM

Nope, I don't remember ever saying that. Care to show me where I did?

Are you actually reading the content of what I write, or are you just seeing what you want to see?



Again, wrong. People sure do enjoy putting words in my mouth. I said that I hope - very important word - that we didn't end up trading Cody Hodgson for a 4th line goon. Try reading a little slower next time.

And there's nothing at all wrong with my concerns. They were and are valid. If a guy's production in the minor league has dropped, when it should be getting better, how is that not a concern?!?



Hodgson's averaging roughly 3.5 shots per game. Kassian's barely averaging 2. Kassian's 5 goals come off of 15 shots. That is a shockingly high SHP that will almost certainly not continue.

Lets look at Hodgson's goals

1st goal: Goes off his foot
2nd goal: Goes off his arm
3rd goal: Came in a 6-3 loss to Carolina so that didn't amount to anything

Now for Kassian's:

1st goal: Went in front of the net and Daniel fed him a sweet pass and he put it home
2nd goal: Puts the puck on net, makes a great effort to get it back and buried his own rebound
3rd goal: Was almost at the goal line where he shot it and it still went in
4th goal: Puck hit him, came down to him and deposited it for the easy goal
5th goal: Got himself open in front of the net, Hamhuis gave him a beautiful pass and he tapped it in with an Avalanche player all over him
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:55 AM

Nope, I don't remember ever saying that. Care to show me where I did?

Are you actually reading the content of what I write, or are you just seeing what you want to see?


Unfortunately for me that would be impossible as the status that you said it in is since long gone.

But I do confirm that you made a status about Cody Hodgson playing better than Zack, and in your replies you asked someone why Zack Kassian sucked. You can deny it all you want but deep down you probably know it's true, I know you will reply with the old "No I don't know what your talking about" but we both know you did.

And it isn't hard to see you are Anti-Kassian with the thread, aswell all the negative posts and status's about the trade that you have made. And now you just don't want to admit it since Kassian is making you look like a fool.

Again, wrong. People sure do enjoy putting words in my mouth. I said that I hope - very important word - that we didn't end up trading Cody Hodgson for a 4th line goon. Try reading a little slower next time.

And there's nothing at all wrong with my concerns. They were and are valid. If a guy's production in the minor league has dropped, when it should be getting better, how is that not a concern?!?


The exact quote was

"I hope that we didn't end up trading Cody Hodgson for a 4th line goon, thought I hope i'm wrong, I'm often not"

Clearly hinting that you thought he would be a be a 4th line goon, you hoped he wouldn't but you thought he would as is clear but the "I hope I'm wrong"

If you thought he was going to be a top 6 forward, why would you have hoped you wrong?

And your concerns may have been valid, but they were ridiculously stupid, as you were just reaching at whatever straws you could grasp to raise a flag about Zack before it was ever determined that a fair judgment could be made. And all this was done without circumstances being taken into consideration.

And judging by your replies to some of the earlier responses (And what you said originally) it was clear you weren't watching many of the Wolves games. Another fail in the logic of your judgment.

Regardless that's all water under the bridge as Zack is playing exceptionally now, and has shown it is the AHL for a reason, not the NHL.

Hodgson's averaging roughly 3.5 shots per game. Kassian's barely averaging 2. Kassian's 5 goals come off of 15 shots. That is a shockingly high SHP that will almost certainly not continue.


Is that really all you have left to grasp ahold of.

"His shooting percentage won't continue"

Maybe his shooting percentage is higher because he is going to the right areas and doing the right things. And before you say it's the Sedins carrying him (Which it hasn't he has easily been the best of the 3) Cody could never play with the Twins like Kassian does. Not to mention Cody hasn't been the best of the Sabres top 3 and has been benefiting off Vanek's exceptional play. Where as here Kassian has been the best of our top 3.

Also rather than replying to the undeniable fact that Cody's goals have been far more lucky than Zacks, aswell as that he hasn't brought near the physical play or intangibles, you simple try to spin it elsewhere rather than face the music.

Why am I not surprised that you can never say "Fair enough" and actually give credit where credit is due...

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:56 AM

Lets look at Hodgson's goals

1st goal: Goes off his foot
2nd goal: Goes off his arm
3rd goal: Came in a 6-3 loss to Carolina so that didn't amount to anything

Now for Kassian's:

1st goal: Went in front of the net and Daniel fed him a sweet pass and he put it home
2nd goal: Puts the puck on net, makes a great effort to get it back and buried his own rebound
3rd goal: Was almost at the goal line where he shot it and it still went in
4th goal: Puck hit him, came down to him and deposited it for the easy goal
5th goal: Got himself open in front of the net, Hamhuis gave him a beautiful pass and he tapped it in with an Avalanche player all over him


Carolina goal was an own net aswell, Ward was down and out, the puck landed on his stick infront of a gaping cage. Simple move to the backhand was all that was needed to assure the shot wouldn't miss.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:39 AM

Nope, I don't remember ever saying that. Care to show me where I did?

Are you actually reading the content of what I write, or are you just seeing what you want to see?



Again, wrong. People sure do enjoy putting words in my mouth. I said that I hope - very important word - that we didn't end up trading Cody Hodgson for a 4th line goon. Try reading a little slower next time.

And there's nothing at all wrong with my concerns. They were and are valid. If a guy's production in the minor league has dropped, when it should be getting better, how is that not a concern?!?



Hodgson's averaging roughly 3.5 shots per game. Kassian's barely averaging 2. Kassian's 5 goals come off of 15 shots. That is a shockingly high SHP that will almost certainly not continue.


The bottom line is: kassians goals were from shots, not oopsies.

Kassian all day long bro.

But hey, let's not credit ourselves too much...us armchair jockeys....I suppose we could always ask Ben eager who he'd rather play hockey against.

Edited by riffraff, 01 February 2013 - 07:44 AM.

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CanucksSayEh, on 12 March 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:
When the playoffs come around, nobody is scared of getting in a fight, but every night, they get their mom to check under the bed for Raffi Torres.




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