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#1081 Hyzer

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:55 PM

Kass gave Ben Eager a concussion. Cody is good at helping the other team score a la tips and screening Miller.

Kass > CoHo
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#1082 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:30 PM

Isn't this the Kassian thread?
It is a start to convince yourself you are going to get over your Cody hate.
I ain't buying it,myself.


Alright, Cody is already a 1st liner and a 100 pt player consistently.

Oh Whoops I forgot to mention he should be captain of the Sabres. I guess I "hate" Cody still.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:32 PM

Kass gave Ben Eager a concussion. Cody is good at helping the other team score a la tips and screening Miller.

Kass > CoHo


Would Kass try injuring Keith next?
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:39 PM

Alright, Cody is already a 1st liner and a 100 pt player consistently.

Oh Whoops I forgot to mention he should be captain of the Sabres. I guess I "hate" Cody still.

Jeez... at what point does it sink in?
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:52 PM

I think most people agree that the trade was a win win for both teams.
So for the Cody bashers out there, just out of curiosity, if Cody finished a season among league leader in points but had a negative plus minus, would you continue to say we won the trade because he can't play both ends of the rink?

Keep in mind, guys like Malkin have previously been among league leader in points but ended the season as a minus player.
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#1086 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:48 PM

Jeez... at what point does it sink in?


I know, every player has there weaknesses.

I don't understand how pointing them out is "hating"
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:07 PM

Alright, Cody is already a 1st liner and a 100 pt player consistently.
Oh Whoops I forgot to mention he should be captain of the Sabres. I guess I "hate" Cody still.

Continuously denigrating a former Canuck for your personal jollies is not exactly refreshing or enlightening.
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#1088 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:18 PM

Continuously denigrating a former Canuck for your personal jollies is not exactly refreshing or enlightening.


Or.. Pointing out weaknesses in his game. I didn't know pointing out weaknesses in Cody's game (When everyone loves to do it for everyone else) is "denigrating a former Canucks for my personal jollies"

I guess you were denigrating Jordan Schroeder earlier in the year right?

It seems like unless I praise Cody as the 2nd coming of Sidney Crosby, people will complain that I'm just hating on him. So whatever say what you like. He has his weaknesses & his strengths, no one is at fault for pointing them out.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:49 PM

I think most people agree that the trade was a win win for both teams.
So for the Cody bashers out there, just out of curiosity, if Cody finished a season among league leader in points but had a negative plus minus, would you continue to say we won the trade because he can't play both ends of the rink?

Keep in mind, guys like Malkin have previously been among league leader in points but ended the season as a minus player.


Most offence first players end the season as minus players.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:03 PM

Most offence first players end the season as minus players.


I would think that a player scoring 100 points a season wouldn't be a minus.. and woulnd't be on for as many goals against...

i looked it up last years-- mostly were plus players..but there were some minus's guess your not completely wrong but your not right either.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:27 PM

I would think that a player scoring 100 points a season wouldn't be a minus.. and woulnd't be on for as many goals against...

i looked it up last years-- mostly were plus players..but there were some minus's guess your not completely wrong but your not right either.


Well, not most I guess, but but there are a few.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:00 PM

Most offence first players end the season as minus players.

Wait wait wait... isn't +/- just a team based statistic??

Too bad advanced stats are stupid, and we can't use those to prove points.

(Just took a look at some advanced stats, and Burrows is awesome this year in corsi, and so is Ehrhoff.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:21 AM

Wait wait wait... isn't +/- just a team based statistic??

Too bad advanced stats are stupid, and we can't use those to prove points.

(Just took a look at some advanced stats, and Burrows is awesome this year in corsi, and so is Ehrhoff.


I wasn't judging players, I'm the last person who would judge a players performance based on the +/- stat.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:31 AM

Kass continues to play well. Getting himself open making some nice passes and getting some shots off. Needs to get acclimated more to the nhl game and those shots will start to go in.


His defense has been excellent.
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It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.


Logic at its finest.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:57 AM

I wasn't judging players, I'm the last person who would judge a players performance based on the +/- stat.

I was being pretty sarcastic.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:00 AM

Would Kass try injuring Keith next?


How does this make sense?

Kass didn't try to concuss eager. It happened as a result of a consensual fight....if anything eager picked it.


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When the playoffs come around, nobody is scared of getting in a fight, but every night, they get their mom to check under the bed for Raffi Torres.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 08:58 AM

Continuously denigrating a former Canuck for your personal jollies is not exactly refreshing or enlightening.

As opposed to continuously denigrating current canucks?
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:21 AM

Or.. Pointing out weaknesses in his game. I didn't know pointing out weaknesses in Cody's game (When everyone loves to do it for everyone else) is "denigrating a former Canucks for my personal jollies"

I guess you were denigrating Jordan Schroeder earlier in the year right?

It seems like unless I praise Cody as the 2nd coming of Sidney Crosby, people will complain that I'm just hating on him. So whatever say what you like. He has his weaknesses & his strengths, no one is at fault for pointing them out.


I don't have a problem with fair criticism of a player if the youth and inexperience of the player is taken into consideration. Your posts seem to be in this catagory, although I think Cody has plenty of time to improve his defensive game.

It's the mocking and sarcastic remarks that seem to be appear throughout this board. The slagging of the guys character. Constantly bringing up negative comments about Cody when Kass (and now Schneider) are being discussed.

I have no doubt that Cody will be a very good NHL player for years to come. Good for him. That fact does not diminish Kass' skills or future success. I still think this was a good trade for both teams.
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#1099 Gumballthechewy

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:43 PM

I was being pretty sarcastic.


I figured as much, but you can never be to sure on the Internet...
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

'Smashian Kassian'
"Everyone who still has the Cody glasses on seems to still be living back in the Junior days, when he was a star and was a projected #1 center."

Was he not playing the #1 center position in Buffalo? Is the kid not 22 years old?
What line did Kes and Hank play on when they were 22?
When Kes played a full year at 22 years old he scored 10 goals.3rd line.
That would be Hank scoring 8 goals in an entire season when he was 22 years old.3rd line.
Give your hate for Hodgson a rest long enough to allow your brain to actually digest some facts.
You sound like Mike Gillis' office boy ready with slippers and cocoa.


What? Two players who play/played a pass first game scored few goals?!? That inexcusable!
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:19 PM

Kassian - third on the Canucks this season with a +14.19 relative corsi - playing on different lines - offensive zone starts are a moderate 53% - very impressive numbers as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 01:45 PM

His defense has been excellent.

i notice his hand eye is amazing , when a player trys to get a pass off and hes positioned inbetween the two players trying to make the pass , he gets his stick on it and causes a turn over , hes done it a good 4-5 times that ive seen

even schroeder uses his small size to sneak around a player and turn over the puck hes gotten a penalty or two from trying it but hes done it enough to make me realize our rookies are getting developed into great 2 way players

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:00 PM

Kassian - third on the Canucks this season with a +14.19 relative corsi - playing on different lines - offensive zone starts are a moderate 53% - very impressive numbers as far as I'm concerned.

I saw that too. It speaks very well of his defensive game. He's spending more time in the O zone, and creating shots while he's there.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:03 PM

i notice his hand eye is amazing , when a player trys to get a pass off and hes positioned inbetween the two players trying to make the pass , he gets his stick on it and causes a turn over , hes done it a good 4-5 times that ive seen

even schroeder uses his small size to sneak around a player and turn over the puck hes gotten a penalty or two from trying it but hes done it enough to make me realize our rookies are getting developed into great 2 way players


Yeah I noticed that as well. Can't wait to see him in the playoffs.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

'Smashian Kassian'
"Everyone who still has the Cody glasses on seems to still be living back in the Junior days, when he was a star and was a projected #1 center."

Was he not playing the #1 center position in Buffalo? Is the kid not 22 years old?
What line did Kes and Hank play on when they were 22?
When Kes played a full year at 22 years old he scored 10 goals.3rd line.
That would be Hank scoring 8 goals in an entire season when he was 22 years old.3rd line.
Give your hate for Hodgson a rest long enough to allow your brain to actually digest some facts.
You sound like Mike Gillis' office boy ready with slippers and cocoa.


Look at the competition Kesler and Henrik were playing behind, they both played secondary roles and kept there mouths shut.

Henrik was behind Morrison for the majority of the time, even Andrew Cassels aswell, Kesler was behind Morrison and Henrik.

Cody has no competition, and was gift rapped that opportunity only because they liked the chemistry Ennis and Stafford had, and they had no one else other than Cody.

If Cody had faced the same competition Kesler and Henrik did, he would have been in the exact same spot. And Cody won't be as good as either player.


they really didn't become marquee NHL players until 2009 (at the age of 29)


I know King is banned, so he will never see this reply. But this line made me laugh.

:lol: I guess he didn't realize they (Sedins) have been 70-80+ point players since 05. When they were 25.

After reading comments like this, it's a good thing he is gone.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 12 February 2013 - 06:05 PM.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:06 PM

I don't have a problem with fair criticism of a player if the youth and inexperience of the player is taken into consideration. Your posts seem to be in this catagory, although I think Cody has plenty of time to improve his defensive game.

It's the mocking and sarcastic remarks that seem to be appear throughout this board. The slagging of the guys character. Constantly bringing up negative comments about Cody when Kass (and now Schneider) are being discussed.

I have no doubt that Cody will be a very good NHL player for years to come. Good for him. That fact does not diminish Kass' skills or future success. I still think this was a good trade for both teams.


Yeah they both will be good players, it is just when Kass haters say something bad about him, Kass supporters fire back with a shot, it is to be expected really.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:14 PM

Look at the competition Kesler and Henrik were playing behind, they both played secondary roles and kept there mouths shut.
Cody has no competition, and was gift rapped that opportunity.....
If Cody had faced the same competition Kesler and Henrik did, he would have been in the exact same spot. And Cody won't be as good as either player.
.... it's a good thing he is gone.

I don't have a problem with fair criticism of a player if the youth and inexperience of the player is taken into consideration. Your posts seem to be in this catagory.....
It's the mocking and sarcastic remarks that seem to be appear throughout this board. The slagging of the guys character. Constantly bringing up negative comments about Cody when Kass (and now Schneider) are being discussed.


Edited by nuck nit, 12 February 2013 - 06:28 PM.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:27 PM

... it is to be expected really.

I believe he is talking your hate for Hodgson,your negative,sarcastic remarks,mocking and your attitude,if I am not mistaken.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:37 PM

My favourite stat is the +10 GF-GA 5 on 5, along with the lowest GA 5 on 5 in the league.
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Wow I can't believe peoples replies...
Im done here. You people are disgusting..


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:43 PM

My favourite stat is the +10 GF-GA 5 on 5, along with the lowest GA 5 on 5 in the league.

is that a warning sign? i though we are supposed to be discussing his warning signs of not being a good AHL player and thus not a good NHL player because basic stats don't lie?
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