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#241 WolfxHaley

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:08 AM

FYI, I grew up in Vancouver and only left for college. "Your" Vancouver Canucks is a reference towards the PA announcer at the games, it has nothing to do with the team that I am a fan of. I am a fan of the Canucks, which is why I spend so much time on this message board. I would think that that would be pretty obvious. Team1040 is streamed daily from my home in Chicago. First and foremost, I follow the Canucks.

RE: "to prove us wrong". I'm bringing up concerns about a prospect based on hard numbers. Isn't that what message boards are for? To engage in discussion over these things?

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 05:47 AM

When it's something that you've committed to for 6 years, my friend, it is.

6-year contracts are now going to be the league maximum. You only give maximum contracts to guys that are basically risk-free, which Jason Garrison absolutely is not. A total gamble, that I think will fail.

Gillis got sucked into a weak UFA market for defenceman, and the Garrison contract is one that I am highly confident he'll regret.


Quick, hop in your time machine and go back six months and tell Gillis what the new CBA is going to be. I'm assuming you have a time machine as you seem to know what the future holds.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:11 AM

And there you go looking at his personal stats and the Panthers playoff hopes... "mathematically".
And what difference does it make that he has only played 2 and a half seasons? That doesn't change that fact that he plays a good defensive game.
I hope you realize how much that argument contradicts your belief that Schultz is going to be a star before he has even played in the NHL. (I'm not going to get in an argument about Schultz because I do think he will be good)


Yeah, amazing how I look at personal stats, isn't it? Those aren't ever used to value players, are they?

And the 2.5 season reference is makes a big difference. It means that he's relatively unproven! The guy's 28 years old - and he was not drafted. "Good defensive game" now earns you a 6-year contract? Is that it? Why not just bring back Aaron Rome? We should all be expecting roughly the same goals and assists from Garrison, at a minimum, going forward, based on the contract that he was levied. "Good defensive game" is not worthy of a 6-year contract at $4.6M per, period.

The argument does not contradict my bullishness on Schultz. Schultz is a 22 year-old rookie professional defenceman, that was a 2nd round pick, and now has 45 points in 32 games in the AHL after Lindrosing his team and putting a whole bunch of pressure on himself to perform. Not contradictory at all.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:14 AM

Quick, hop in your time machine and go back six months and tell Gillis what the new CBA is going to be. I'm assuming you have a time machine as you seem to know what the future holds.


Not the point. A 6-year contract is significant. You don't give 6-year contracts out to middle-pairing defencemen, do you?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:36 AM

That doesn't change the fact the doctors fanned on the shot, more than once.

I never called him my precious.


Don't you mean every doctor he saw? I'll go back to the original question: Should the Canucks medical staff be condemned when every medical professional Cody saw, including a leading US back specialist, all missed the secondary injury as well? Then consider this - in order to play Cody lied about his back so he could compete for a roster spot. Had he not, perhaps the Canucks medical staff would have looked further and found the secondary problem then. Instead the moment he was cut he bolted home, at his fathers urging, to see his own doctor. The Canucks medical staff didn't get a second look until Hodgson returned the following year. Which is when they found the secondary problem. Hodgson didn't help his own situation by being less than honest about his back.

Dr: How's the back feeling?
Cody: Great! No pain at all.
Dr: Ok, you're cleared to play.

Or....

Dr: How's the back feeling?
Cody: It's still really sore and doesn't seem to be getting better.
Dr: We better take another look.

That's basically how it works.

Having gone through physio several times I can tell you that doctors and therapists depend a great deal on what you tell them. Hodgson lies about how his back is and they are not going to look any further. He tells the truth and they will look closer. He was his own worst enemy by holding back the truth.


Well you did call him precious....

I can get past that part, but the thing is, Coach of the Year called out the precious rookie


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 06:53 AM

You are simply out to lunch if you don't think that Garrison's performance last year - almost exclusively - earned him a 6-year deal.

Had he repeated his 2010-11 production, 5 goals and 18 points, he may have earned himself an Aaron Rome-esque deal. Not a 6-year, $4.6M per year deal. Those are the types of contracts that you give to franchise, cornerstone-esque guys. I guess that's what you'd call Jason Garrison? Because Mike Gillis certainly has, with this signing. And I think he'll be wrong.


Sports has a "what have you done lately" tendency haven't they. The fact he was offered more from other teams should be an indicator of what the league thought he was worth. Most on this board have a tendency to considerably undervalue market value.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:53 AM

Not the point. A 6-year contract is significant. You don't give 6-year contracts out to middle-pairing defencemen, do you?


Players often sign for less to get a longer term. The player gets the guaranteed money while the team gets a better cap hit. As already stated, he turned down more elsewhere.

Seems to me you're clutching at straws for things to complain about while crying about anything and everything. Doom! We're doomed!! A shame the Mayan calendar didn't work out for you.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:00 AM

Garrison is unproven guys, hasn't played a minute for us, doesn't have great stats, 200 gp. 6 years at 4.5 million. :shock: Desperation is a stinky cologne. What's that? We might not be able to re-sign Edler? Oh, dear.

Hey guys, Garrison is also damaged goods. Ya, he's been cleared to play now (by our stalwart medical team Coho and WM say hi) but he has a history of groin problems. Sweet. But Willie Mitchell was too much of a risk at 3.5mil.

If he is such a shut down powerhouse, then can one of you guys whip up a highlight real of Garrison shutting down some NHLers? Let's see some proof.





Baggins, maybe the Docs shouldn't be crucified but they have screwed up a few times, par for the course? Was CoHo's back not x-rayed? They just go by what a rookie who is desperate for icetime says?

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:05 AM

I don't believe a muscle tear will show up on an xray, - they show the skeletal (dense) system and, with that, breaks/fractures, disloactions, etc.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:06 AM

I don't believe a muscle tear will show up on an xray, - they show the skeletal system and, with that, breaks/fractures, etc.


Lol. This.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:12 AM

I don't believe a muscle tear will show up on an xray, - they show the skeletal (dense) system and, with that, breaks/fractures, disloactions, etc.


MRI then? Whatevs, there were 2 issues with his back and the doctors missed them both.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:54 AM

The argument does not contradict my bullishness on Schultz.


I had to do a bit of a double-take there. I thought you had written something about your "male bovine fecal matter-ness" on Schultz.


Anyways, what's this all talk about Schultz got to do with Kassian?

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:55 AM

MRI then? Whatevs, there were 2 issues with his back and the doctors missed them both.


Including Hodgson's own doctors.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:35 AM

Baggins, maybe the Docs shouldn't be crucified but they have screwed up a few times, par for the course? Was CoHo's back not x-rayed? They just go by what a rookie who is desperate for icetime says?


Medicine isn't always perfect. Which is where the patient being honest comes in. Hodgson lied so he could play and lost a year as a result. He isn't the innocent victim.

Who found the torn muscle? Not his own doctor or the Toronto back specialist he sent Cody to. Not his junior team medical staff or the US back specialist they recommended. The Canucks medical staff found it when he came back the following year. Perhaps if he had been honest he wouldn't have lost a year.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:54 AM

MRI then? Whatevs, there were 2 issues with his back and the doctors missed them both.


No, they found the obvious injury, the bulging disc.

A player says he hurt his back and you find a back injury. Are you going to look any further? Not unless it isn't getting any better with treatment. It's not the Canucks medical staff that is questionable in the case. They didn't get another look after he came clean and said it was still a problem until the following year. You would have to question why his doctor, the Toronto back specialist, his junior team medical staff, and the US back specialist why none them looked beyond the bulging disc that wasn't getting better. When he came back to Vancouver our medical looked beyond the bulging disc and found the torn muscle that was aggravating it.

You don't think honesty could have saved him some time in this?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:57 AM

oh scottie no
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:16 AM

No, they found the obvious injury, the bulging disc.

A player says he hurt his back and you find a back injury. Are you going to look any further? Not unless it isn't getting any better with treatment. It's not the Canucks medical staff that is questionable in the case. They didn't get another look after he came clean and said it was still a problem until the following year. You would have to question why his doctor, the Toronto back specialist, his junior team medical staff, and the US back specialist why none them looked beyond the bulging disc that wasn't getting better. When he came back to Vancouver our medical looked beyond the bulging disc and found the torn muscle that was aggravating it.

You don't think honesty could have saved him some time in this?


Baggins, I think you won this one a couple of posts back. Time to stop paddling and have a wee malt to savour your victory mate. :)
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

You don't think honesty could have saved him some time in this?


If CoHo was lying, then I guess it's on him. If that's how it went down.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:42 AM

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:57 AM

As much as this post of yours really is a great deal of the truth (it is!); It's not the whole story.

It was clear Hodgson was under performing that camp, but communicating with the player was substituted by calling him out and embarrassing him. We all know about AV's famous comments in regards to CoHo. And we also know the bravado of sports. Guys, particularly those who have never suffered any serious injury often get caught up in the competition. If a back, or any other injury, is sore from a workout you try and work through it until its obvious you cannot compete. I watched Hodgson at the WJC's in Ottawa, he did not look slow. It could be argued the coach should have a good enough relationship to sit him down and say "you dont look quite right, or as good as we have seen before; is anything wrong?"

The team is still not free of fault. In one school of coaching you simply evaluate performance and reward the strongest and most effective. AV, in general, fit's this school. In another you manage, or "coach" and develop players to secure their best performance. That takes relationship and communication. It did not exist. And to this day, or right after he signed his contract, we hear of AV calling out Kesler for playing under expectations, even when he knew the player was injured. And by Kesler's agents reaction, turning a blind eye is testing other relationships. AV needed to handle it better then, and is till making this mistake to this day.

Water under the bridge now, but???

Don't you mean every doctor he saw? I'll go back to the original question: Should the Canucks medical staff be condemned when every medical professional Cody saw, including a leading US back specialist, all missed the secondary injury as well? Then consider this - in order to play Cody lied about his back so he could compete for a roster spot. Had he not, perhaps the Canucks medical staff would have looked further and found the secondary problem then. Instead the moment he was cut he bolted home, at his fathers urging, to see his own doctor. The Canucks medical staff didn't get a second look until Hodgson returned the following year. Which is when they found the secondary problem. Hodgson didn't help his own situation by being less than honest about his back.

Dr: How's the back feeling?
Cody: Great! No pain at all.
Dr: Ok, you're cleared to play.

Or....

Dr: How's the back feeling?
Cody: It's still really sore and doesn't seem to be getting better.
Dr: We better take another look.

That's basically how it works.

Having gone through physio several times I can tell you that doctors and therapists depend a great deal on what you tell them. Hodgson lies about how his back is and they are not going to look any further. He tells the truth and they will look closer. He was his own worst enemy by holding back the truth.


Well you did call him precious....


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:58 AM

I'm confused...last time I looked through the posts on this thread, it was about Kassian and concerns about what his stats are telling (or not telling) about his development...now it covers almost every topic there is about the Canucks.

In keeping with the spirit of taking the original topic on a tangent, anyone else disappointed about the outcome of semi final game between our boys and USA at the WJC? That was some good tending by Gibson. In spite of Subban's size (6'2" 200), did he look small in the nets to anyone? He covers the bottom half of the net really well, but there seems to be a lot of room up top (though the American kids were lasering shots to the top corner).

Now back to Kassian...is there no more talk about him on this thread now?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:13 AM

Back on topic; King is provoking the crowd here. I dont believe there should be panic over Kassian. I dont believe he will become a Bertuzzi although I suppose its possible? I do feel he will play a valuable role for us!

In earlier posts I suggested a likely "landing" spot for Kassian's talents is the role and results of a player like Sergio Momesso? When paired with a play maker Ronning, and speedster / scorer Courtnall, Momesso provided the body which solved match up problems for his line. He also had the soft hands to be at worst a secondary weapon and exacted retribution when needed. I also suggested that if he became a career depth player, ala Malhotra or Torres who each entered the league amongst similar expectations, size and draft ranking, that it would not be a disaster. But Sergio is the best comparison I can think of for what I believe Kassian will become (and I'm ok with that!). Such players mystify fans at times who expected the breakout which appeared within their grasp; but clearly still fill major roles that help teams win.

What are others projecting for Kassian?

Edited by Canuck Surfer, 03 January 2013 - 11:18 AM.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:39 AM

As much as this post of yours really is a great deal of the truth (it is!); It's not the whole story.

It was clear Hodgson was under performing that camp, but communicating with the player was substituted by calling him out and embarrassing him. We all know about AV's famous comments in regards to CoHo. And we also know the bravado of sports. Guys, particularly those who have never suffered any serious injury often get caught up in the competition. If a back, or any other injury, is sore from a workout you try and work through it until its obvious you cannot compete. I watched Hodgson at the WJC's in Ottawa, he did not look slow. It could be argued the coach should have a good enough relationship to sit him down and say "you dont look quite right, or as good as we have seen before; is anything wrong?"

The team is still not free of fault. In one school of coaching you simply evaluate performance and reward the strongest and most effective. AV, in general, fit's this school. In another you manage, or "coach" and develop players to secure their best performance. That takes relationship and communication. It did not exist. And to this day, or right after he signed his contract, we hear of AV calling out Kesler for playing under expectations, even when he knew the player was injured. And by Kesler's agents reaction, turning a blind eye is testing other relationships. AV needed to handle it better then, and is till making this mistake to this day.

Water under the bridge now, but???


I've covered AV's comments about Cody "making excuses" before but I will again. When a player maintains throughout the healing process his back is fine, then again throughout training camp, and yet again throughout preseason, what is the coach to think when the player immediately after getting cut goes to the press and says, "oh my back"? Wouldn't you think the kid is making excuses after several weeks of his telling you his back is fine and not bothering him at all? The most you would think about his play is that he is behind the rest physically due to missing offseason workout time.

Many here prefer to put all the blame on the Canucks medical staff, AV, and even Gillis. But Hodgson is far from being the innocent victim they like to make out. His lie set him back a year as the medical staff here had no reason to look beyond the bulging disc.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:04 PM

Back on topic; King is provoking the crowd here. I dont believe there should be panic over Kassian. I dont believe he will become a Bertuzzi although I suppose its possible? I do feel he will play a valuable role for us!

In earlier posts I suggested a likely "landing" spot for Kassian's talents is the role and results of a player like Sergio Momesso? When paired with a play maker Ronning, and speedster / scorer Courtnall, Momesso provided the body which solved match up problems for his line. He also had the soft hands to be at worst a secondary weapon and exacted retribution when needed. I also suggested that if he became a career depth player, ala Malhotra or Torres who each entered the league amongst similar expectations, size and draft ranking, that it would not be a disaster. But Sergio is the best comparison I can think of for what I believe Kassian will become (and I'm ok with that!). Such players mystify fans at times who expected the breakout which appeared within their grasp; but clearly still fill major roles that help teams win.

What are others projecting for Kassian?


The problem with young guys like Kassian is they are a gamble. For that matter most kids are a gamble. Typically these guys have an early size advantage while playing against boys and as a result perform extremely well in junior. When faced with NHL veterans, many of which also have size, they can struggle to find their game. The distinct advantage they had in junior doesn't exist in the NHL. Few junior power forwards step seemlessly into the NHL. Some take a few years to mature into it and others never do find the success they had in junior. If they do find their game in the NHL they are a force.

Kassian has shown flashes of what he can become though. By 25 he could well be a force. I'll reserve judgement for a few years on him. He could be worth the wait.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:27 PM

I've suggested your right, and the lions share of the problem was Hodgson. Part of being a pro is dealing with injuries and they need to be reported.

But the team looking to see through players playing with injuries is a component. Calling them out, in todays day and age is a cardinal sin. The player see's himself as playing through pain and trying to work their way through it. They need to be assured they'll get opportunities for doing injury management, and if supported they will. But they get sat and told they're not going good enough, so instead they push themselves harder and make things worse. This year If AV was coming out and saying to fans, hey cut Kesler some slack, he was playing through some injuries and we're going to go get him better in the off season... But he didn't; he called him out. To me it proves injury management is someone else's responsibility to AV, so these issues are not surprising. How would you feel if you were jumping of the medical table into your gear. Guys are being encouraged to push themselves and the expectations are still just as high. And here we know EVERYONE knew of the injury status. Similarly AV claimed to have no idea Sedin would not be available. Come on; we now know enough about concussions that setbacks are par for the course. Clearly AV needs to be managing situations better and its not just Hodgson.

Take your own Hodgson blinders off. There is more than one opportunity lost and more coming without change.

And on topic again instead of Cody bashing; what are your projections for Kassian? Wait and see after being so strong that he was worth the trade is not a ringing endorsement. I've offered my input without being distracted by a CoHo debate.


I've covered AV's comments about Cody "making excuses" before but I will again. When a player maintains throughout the healing process his back is fine, then again throughout training camp, and yet again throughout preseason, what is the coach to think when the player immediately after getting cut goes to the press and says, "oh my back"? Wouldn't you think the kid is making excuses after several weeks of his telling you his back is fine and not bothering him at all? The most you would think about his play is that he is behind the rest physically due to missing offseason workout time.

Many here prefer to put all the blame on the Canucks medical staff, AV, and even Gillis. But Hodgson is far from being the innocent victim they like to make out. His lie set him back a year as the medical staff here had no reason to look beyond the bulging disc.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:09 PM

Sports has a "what have you done lately" tendency haven't they. The fact he was offered more from other teams should be an indicator of what the league thought he was worth. Most on this board have a tendency to considerably undervalue market value.


"The league", or maybe 1 or 2 bottom-feeders, like the Islanders and/or the Blue Jackets, perhaps? Let's not start touting "hometown discount" when discussing a guy who was just given a 6-year deal from us while being tied for the highest-paid defenceman on the club.

Pressure's on, Jason. Welcome to Vancouver.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:16 PM

Yeah, amazing how I look at personal stats, isn't it? Those aren't ever used to value players, are they?

And the 2.5 season reference is makes a big difference. It means that he's relatively unproven! The guy's 28 years old - and he was not drafted. "Good defensive game" now earns you a 6-year contract? Is that it? Why not just bring back Aaron Rome? We should all be expecting roughly the same goals and assists from Garrison, at a minimum, going forward, based on the contract that he was levied. "Good defensive game" is not worthy of a 6-year contract at $4.6M per, period.

The argument does not contradict my bullishness on Schultz. Schultz is a 22 year-old rookie professional defenceman, that was a 2nd round pick, and now has 45 points in 32 games in the AHL after Lindrosing his team and putting a whole bunch of pressure on himself to perform. Not contradictory at all.


No, they aren't. GM's actually watch the players play. Flashy stats might get them noticed in the first place, but the way they play the game is what ultimately determines their value.
Comparing Garrisons game to Romes :lol:
Until you say something that gives me any indication that you have watched some hockey, and can make an assesment of a players skill based off of seeing them play, there really isn't a point with these discussions.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:19 PM

It's because King of Es doesn't / can't back up his own arguments when he's faced with a rebuttal that shuts him up. That's how this thread got derailed. Went from Kassian, when the people disproved his claims he went on to rant about Schultz which led to Garrison and now Hodgson who isn't even Canucks property no more.

So in the end you can thank the man who has no argument to begin with for derailing his own thread.

Edited by The Kassassin Train, 03 January 2013 - 01:21 PM.

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The key difference is that Sopel can fill in for Seabrook and Campbell just fine. Bieksa, he is garbage so in that sense he is like the worst defenseman in the league.


When Cody (Hodgson) gets older, he might be better than Datsyuk.


Let's not push this guy (Kassian). He's still immature, and if he fails on the 2nd line it's because he isn't ready. Some guys really need years to develop, it's how well and how fast players adapt to the game. In my opinion, I'd rather have Horvat getting 2nd line minutes. He will start off on the 3rd line next season but I see him making the transition, being a great compliment to whoever plays his wings.

At this point, I don't see Kassian fitting in to any role other than a 3rd. If players like Kassian start getting 2nd line minutes then we just stay inconsistent as a team.


The idiocy on CDC....

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:26 PM

"The league", or maybe 1 or 2 bottom-feeders, like the Islanders and/or the Blue Jackets, perhaps? Let's not start touting "hometown discount" when discussing a guy who was just given a 6-year deal from us while being tied for the highest-paid defenceman on the club.

Pressure's on, Jason. Welcome to Vancouver.


Stop changing your arguments. You call yourself a college student? If I were a prof and grading one of your papers you would receive a F.

Pressure's on kid for putting on a rebuttal without changing your subject.

St.Louis was one team your lack of knowledge in hockey is really starting to show.

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The key difference is that Sopel can fill in for Seabrook and Campbell just fine. Bieksa, he is garbage so in that sense he is like the worst defenseman in the league.


When Cody (Hodgson) gets older, he might be better than Datsyuk.


Let's not push this guy (Kassian). He's still immature, and if he fails on the 2nd line it's because he isn't ready. Some guys really need years to develop, it's how well and how fast players adapt to the game. In my opinion, I'd rather have Horvat getting 2nd line minutes. He will start off on the 3rd line next season but I see him making the transition, being a great compliment to whoever plays his wings.

At this point, I don't see Kassian fitting in to any role other than a 3rd. If players like Kassian start getting 2nd line minutes then we just stay inconsistent as a team.


The idiocy on CDC....

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:34 PM

Still waiting for King of Es' Reply on this post....been 4 pages and he ignores it...sense of I have nothing to say because I know I'm wrong?


What "defensive game" is that?

You're aware that 2011-12 was basically his second year in the league, right?

  • 2009-10: 39 GP, 2 G, 8 P, +5
  • 2010-11: 73 GP, 5 G, 18 P, -2
  • 2011-12: 77 GP, 16 G, 33 P, +6
That's the extent of his NHL career, at 28 years of age. So I'm not sure where you're getting this "defensive defenceman" reputation from, as the only thing that anybody on the Florida Panthers were shutting down in either 2009-10 or 2010-11 were their playoff hopes, mathematically, by roughly mid-January.


Since you're so keen on stats, let's use corsi stats which are a far more accurate presentation than the pathetic +/- that you use.

http://www.theglobea.../article576301/

If you have any other questions feel free to consult http://behindthenet.ca/howto.php. Now do you still have any questions? You see what I did here? I used stats to BACK UP an argument not USED to make an argument which is what skews your argument dramatically. Let alone the pathetic +/- stat.

I'm still waiting for your rebuttal as to this since your OP was pretty much the same argument to the other poster who claimed Kassian had no drive nor was he producing enough. Go on I'll wait.

Really now? Because from what I have heard and reports from a lot of subscribers to the games are completely opposite to what you say about Kassian. Perhaps a few games that there were, but for the most part from what I have read and heard from much more reliable sources and it's the complete opposite.

'No Drive' and 'Will not use his size on the boards to dig up pucks' is absolutely incorrect. Don't believe me? Ask @theshaves on Twitter. He's more than wiling to open up convo with Canuck fans. He's the play-by-play for the Wolves. I can agree with the floating comment on a couple of games I have seen.

But I laugh at your 'No drive' and 'Will not use his size on the boards to dig up pucks'. That's so far off base that it's ridiculous. The expectations for a 2nd year raw rookie is absolutely hilarious on these boards.

For all those saying he doesn't shoot enough I beg to differ. I'm only using stats to back up an argument not as an argument like many are doing here...

"Kassian leads all Wolves forwards in total shots and is averaging 2.7 shots per game."

Source: http://vansunsportsb...is-groove-back/

In the middle of the article is where you will find your quote. So again is it Kassian's game or is it the system that Arniel is implementing?

Furthermore, I'm not comparing Kassian to Kesler's playing abilities as they are completely different, but Kesler had 57 points during the lockout in 2005. Did we panic then? No. Kassian is not a blue-chip offensive sniper that many think he is. He's doing what I expected of him on a team that isn't stacked with offensive talent. That's open up space for his teammates while getting physical without being out of position. A 50 - 55 pt season with 175 - 200 hits and 80 - 100 PIMS for the right reason is what I expect out of Kass this year in the A if he's there the whole season.


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The key difference is that Sopel can fill in for Seabrook and Campbell just fine. Bieksa, he is garbage so in that sense he is like the worst defenseman in the league.


When Cody (Hodgson) gets older, he might be better than Datsyuk.


Let's not push this guy (Kassian). He's still immature, and if he fails on the 2nd line it's because he isn't ready. Some guys really need years to develop, it's how well and how fast players adapt to the game. In my opinion, I'd rather have Horvat getting 2nd line minutes. He will start off on the 3rd line next season but I see him making the transition, being a great compliment to whoever plays his wings.

At this point, I don't see Kassian fitting in to any role other than a 3rd. If players like Kassian start getting 2nd line minutes then we just stay inconsistent as a team.


The idiocy on CDC....




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