-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Jeff Cowan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Let's hope Shirokov comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 There has been some talk recently about the potential performance of players playing with higher level talent. Notably, I've read comments like "...too bad Grabner never got a shot at playing on the top line..." or "...if Shirokov had a better line mates, he would score 40 goals..." Questions: 1. SHOULD a coach surround a player with better talent because he is "supposed" to be a top-line player? 2. The Sedins were 3rd liners at one time. Should ALL 1st line talent have to work themselves up? 3. If a player feels entitled to play with better players, how does coaching and management deal with that? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'd prefer Tommi Santala. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Ohh ... I know who Bulis is, and I'm not all that young lol. I just thought it was odd that someone would throw Jan Bulis out there for the twins to play with. Why not Anson Carter, or Greg Adams, or Murray Bannerman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spliced Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 That's part of what a coach is for. It's up to him to juggle and make things work. 1. I would say usually yes especially for younger players. You want your best players to fulfill their potential. 2. Should or shouldn't isn't really the issue it's more about what gets results. If a guy can come in and play 1st line hockey he'll be on the 1st line. A guy like Ovechkin was so good he didn't need a long process of working his way up from the 3rd or 4th line. 3. They use him in the way that gets the best results for the team and him. The goal for any NHL team is to extract performance and win games, it's not to win ego battles. Unfortunately sometimes you have to put up with a few egos to have success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I hear Linden is available... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 There has been some talk recently about the potential performance of players playing with higher level talent. Notably, I've read comments like "...too bad Grabner never got a shot at playing on the top line..." or "...if Shirokov had a better line mates, he would score 40 goals..." Questions: 1. SHOULD a coach surround a player with better talent because he is "supposed" to be a top-line player? 2. The Sedins were 3rd liners at one time. Should ALL 1st line talent have to work themselves up? 3. If a player feels entitled to play with better players, how does coaching and management deal with that? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosama Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 If I made this thread, I am crucified already. At least, they are kind to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 WE SHOULD ALWAYS PUT PLAYERS IN THEIR ROLES! Why take someone out of their comfort zone to see if they can make it as a checker/fighter if they are a scorer. If we don't need a scorer leave em in minors till we do or we know they are ready to make a difference with what we drafted and or traded them for... Seems pretty simple. Experience is great when your playing on the third line with your brother who is also terrific at boardplay and can hem a team in their own zone even though you are still a young line. Not everyone are the Sedins and can work their way up from the 3rd line using the talent they have with good work ethic. We should keep guys in minors until we have a legit role for them to fill that suits their individual abilities. Just cause someone is doing well in the minors as a scorer doesn't necessitate a move up to fourth line and 7 mins a game in a checking role. Maybe a call up here or there into a legit position with good players is a good idea, but forcing them into an unknown place does not seem wise. Very few NHLer's perform well outside of their comfort zones. The few that are extremely versatile can play anywhere on a 3rd or fourth and push their way up to a top 6 role with time. Other star's are just put into the role they know and they have to succeed. It's their only option if they want to play in the NHL and we deserve to give them that chance and that confidence to succeed. Then there are the checkers that simply bounce around from team to team for energy, fighting, and hitting skills etc. There is a large enough variety of skill and role players in the league to have a balanced team with people in their correct positions. People can do it in nhl13 by just looking at simple attributes for gosh sakes! Not ever sniper we draft is going to get the chance to be a sniper on a top nhl line, thats not how it works, but if they show well in the AHL and a chance is given then the opportunity is theirs to take or miss and fall back to the minors. How many people want to see Jensen on a 3rd or fourth line in first year? The guy is pure Offense in a Danish form and should be honing his skills at the AHL level or playing some good mins with good players in the NHL. Just saying Gaunce on the other hand is a third line center as soon as he's NHL ready, super steady player who will work his way up and be a top 6 when he get's there, good and ready for his role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'd like to see what Keke Mortson could do playing with the Sedins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Jason King > Lee Goren > Jan Bulis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Let's hope Shirokov comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieCrumbs Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Ohh ... I know who Bulis is, and I'm not all that young lol. I just thought it was odd that someone would throw Jan Bulis out there for the twins to play with. Why not Anson Carter, or Greg Adams, or Murray Bannerman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Let's hope Shirokov comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux4lyfe Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 See what I mean? In reply to the thread, no, Bulis wasn't that good when he was here. Anson Carter worked though. But Burrows is good enough for the twins. Oh and don't expect anything from the poster above me, 013, he'll either personally attack you or someone or post nothing substantial at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 How about Byron Ritchie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Who the hell is Jan Bulis? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorrcoq Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 3. We deal with it by shipping his ass to Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorrcoq Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Let's hope Shirokov comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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