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#1 zombieksa

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:51 PM

So this is a discussion of the 2013 offseason.

Lets make the assumption a 48 game season is salvaged.

Manny Malhotra did not have a great season last year for good reason. Lets assume he does not return to 2010-11 form, but improves on his 2011-12, say somewhere in the area of 22 points averaged at 82games, above 50% faceoff wins and an even +/- while continuing to play AVs rediculous(ly brilliant?) deployment.

Under these conditions i would suggest trying to sign him at 3yrs 1.6M per. Manny although not too old, still isn't young and I think he would take less money if it meant job security for 3 more years.
So that is the contract I would offer

Would you be okay with that deal?
Would you want to be on the hook for less years?
Would you like to sign him but think 1.6 is too much/too little?
Would you rather let him walk? How would his performance have to change to change your mind.

Edited by knoxdown, 01 January 2013 - 10:53 PM.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:52 PM

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Edited by knoxdown, 01 January 2013 - 10:53 PM.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:00 PM

I would be willing to sign him at anywhere from 1-1.5

And I would love to re-sign him, great guy, huge part of the leadership, huge part of the team and he bring important things to the team (Faceoffs, penalty killing)

Hopefully we bring Manny back and I'm sure we will.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:10 PM

I'd keep him
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:12 PM

I dont care how many points manny gets next year..... He is a great guy off the ice in the community, really liked and respected in the room, has a great impact on younger players and showing them to behave in the correct manner, and of course his faceoffs are valuable on the ice as well.

I would be shocked if MG doesn't re-sign Manny this summer, especially because he shouldn't want more than $2 M
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:18 PM

use him as a 4th line LW/RW who can slide in and take important faceoffs both on the PP and PK
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 02:57 AM

Huge fan of manny, although I'd go slightly less. 1.4 in my opinion, but I wouldn't mind signing him for up to 1.75.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:38 AM

I'd say keep Manny until either Schroeder or Gaunce are ready, then either one can take over his role. How does 1 year at $1.5 million sound?
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:17 AM

I figure Malhotra's future with the Canucks will be decided by five things:


1.) As indicated above, what is the level of his performance in the shortened season (and playoffs).

Malhotra's faceoff ability has not dropped off that much from his first season here to last season (61.7% to 58.5%). These faceoffs were usually in the Canucks' own end, so this stat is of great significance.

His point production has dropped off some (30 pts down to 18), but that might be explained by him spending more time on the 4th line than the 3rd, and having linemates like Volpatti and Weise rather than Torres and Hansen (or Higgins and Hansen for theis season).

There have been comments about his checking in two areas. Malhotra's +/- dropped (+9 to -11), but as with his point production, a good amount of this can be likely be attributed to him being on the 4th line and him playing a game which pretty much consisted of gaining possession of the puck, moving it out of the Canucks' zone, and then heading to the bench. This doesn't leave him with many opportunities to get points to off-set those which are scored against him and his line. This being said, for the amount of opportunity the opposition has had to score against him, Malhotra is did pretty well to only be -11.

I have read some opinions that state that Malhotra's physical play was more tentative than what it was in his first season here (pre-injury). This could be the most important factor related to Malhotra's performance. It could be that he was reluctant to engage with opposing players due to his scare from his injury. If he does demonstrate that he is tentative in playing a physical game, this could cause the Canucks to try and low-ball him for a new contract (something like the $1.5 million some are suggesting) or just let him walk.


2.) The performance of guys like Lapierre and Schroeder (assuming he gets a chance to play in Vancouver this season).

They are younger, will likely be less expensive and have the potential to be very effective. Schroeder would likely produce more points should he become the 3C. Lapierre (assuming he re-signs for next year) plays a robust, physical game, and showed improvement in pretty much every aspect of his game. If both of these guys play well, it reduces the need to re-sign Malhotra.


3.) What assets come back in the assumed Luongo trade. Gillis might get a a guy who could serve as 3C.

If Gillis gets a "rental" (like Bozak) and he doesn't stick around, then Malhotra's value here improves. On the other hand, if the rental plays well and agrees to terms with the Canucks for an extension, then that leaves Malhotra out in the cold (as well as Schroeder perhaps).


4.) The new cap for next season. If it is as low as $60 million, as has mentioned in some discussions, then the Canucks might not be able to afford to keep Malhotra and still sign guys like Edler, Higgins, and Lapierre, If the cap is closer to $64 million, then obviously there's a bit more room to manoeuver.


5.) Assuming that the Canucks are interested in re-signing him, what does Manny want to do? This topic often seems to be forgotten in the discussion. Would he be happy enough here to stay for a what could be a significant drop in salary? Will his play return to what it was in 2010 - 11 or better?


Assuming there are more positives than negatives related to Malhotra's future here, I could see Gillis offering a two year, $2 million deal.


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Edited by Gollumpus, 02 January 2013 - 06:23 AM.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:53 AM

So many variable between now and then but...

It's gonna be pretty tough to replace Manny in the faceoff department and his point production, although lower last year, is not what makes him such an effective NHLer, so he'll be back.

However, MG will probably only offer him a 1 year deal between 1.4and 1.6mil. Keeps him hungry and motivated.

Edited by scottiecanuck, 02 January 2013 - 08:54 AM.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:25 AM

Coach AV, although not a member of head office, has said his opinion is taken into account. I have a hard time seeing av not wanting his go to guy back. It hard to find a reliable face off guy averaging 55%. It's almost impossible to find a reliable face off guy who averages higher than 55%, takes less than 25% in the o-zone, is a locker room leader and is pretty physically intimidating. I don't think manny is going anywhere
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:26 AM

Assuming there are more positives than negatives related to Malhotra's future here, I could see Gillis offering a two year, $2 million deal.


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I agree with everything, especially giving him a 2 year 2M deal (assume you mean per year).

Many people just look at Manny's offensive stats, and judge him to be a waste of a roster space, but Manny is worth so much more to the Canucks than that.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

I agree with everything, especially giving him a 2 year 2M deal (assume you mean per year).

Many people just look at Manny's offensive stats, and judge him to be a waste of a roster space, but Manny is worth so much more to the Canucks than that.


Yup. I was a bit vague there. my bad. :)

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

If we could re-sign him at 1.5 million I would keep him. He's still valuable as a PKer/Faceoff specialist. In that role and that salary you can afford to stick him on the 4th line. Although his play did drop-off last season, it wasn't dramatic as everyone thinks.

I think the real reason for Manny's regression is his extreme zone deployment. AV essentially only uses Manny in the defensive zone, and his job is to win the faceoff, get the puck out of the zone and then change. He accomplished this task reasonably well.

It's pretty hard to put up decent numbers starting every shift in the defensive zone while playing with the likes of Dale Weise.

I'd keep him around.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:31 AM

1 year 1.5 million
Manny cant block shots no more, he used to lead in blocked shots
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