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NHL will Allow Teams Two Contract Buyouts for '13-'14. Who are yours?


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#1 TOMapleLaughs

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

Fyi. Mason Raymond and Manny Malhotra are UFA's for the season in question. So please stop suggesting their buyouts or people will snap.

Michael Grange of Sportsnet reported on Thursday that the NHL has agreed to two compliance buyouts per team for the 2013-14 season, likely beginning this offseason.

The NHL’s initial offer in this round of bargaining included a one-time buyout whose money would not count against the salary cap but would count against the players’ share of hockey related revenue. That the players agreed to this “keeping money outside the system” provision, and accepted a second buyout, is a significant concession.

Then again, taking a dozen elephantine contracts off the books next season could be beneficial to the players. With the salary cap dropping – the NHL wants a $60 million cap while the NHLPA is asking for a $65 million cap – the union wants to keep its escrow withholdings from spiraling upward. The fewer teams pressed up against the upper limit of the cap, the better the chances are that escrow wouldn’t balloon.

Compliance buyouts wouldn't count towards the cap,

The cap for that season might be as low as $60mil. Our big UFA is of course Edler.

Gillis is not a fan of buyouts, but he may have to do it if he wants to keep Edler. Massive speculation of Ballard being one guy, at least. The question is if he'd buyout Luongo as well.

In either case, all these teams currently over the cap are generally safe:

- Boston will buyout Savard and Thomas comes off the books, allowing them to retain Horton.
- Minny has Bouchard, Cullen and Backstrom coming off the books, but Clutterbuck is a RFA. They will be strapped with no obvious buyout candidates.
- We have several UFA's coming off the books, including Edler, Raymond, Lappy, Manny, Higgins and Alberts. We're under the cap, but then short of players. Luongo and Ballard are buyout candidates. Needless to say, our 13-14 lineup will look pretty different. Insert our plethora of prospects? Hehe.
- Calgary won't have much of a problem as Iginla and the mighty Roman Cervenka come off the books. They might buyout some guys anyway.
- Philly is strapped as usual, but they haven't let silly things like the cap bother them before.
- SJ will have enough room to retain their guys.
- Chicago is strapped still, but no overly. Hossa's status is still a question.


Honestly, it looks like our team is the team in the biggest trouble. Yay for compliance buyouts?

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:22 PM

Compliance buyouts wouldn't count towards the cap,

The cap for that season might be as low as $60mil. Our big UFA is of course Edler.

Gillis is not a fan of buyouts, but he may have to do it if he wants to keep Edler. Massive speculation of Ballard being one guy, at least. The question is if he'd buyout Luongo as well.

In either case, all these teams currently over the cap are generally safe:

- Boston will buyout Savard and Thomas comes off the books, allowing them to retain Horton.
- Minny has Bouchard, Cullen and Backstrom coming off the books, but Clutterbuck is a RFA. They will be strapped with no obvious buyout candidates.
- We have several UFA's coming off the books, including Edler, Raymond, Lappy, Manny, Higgins and Alberts. We're under the cap, but then short of players. Luongo and Ballard are buyout candidates. Needless to say, our 13-14 lineup will look pretty different. Insert our plethora of prospects? Hehe.
- Calgary won't have much of a problem as Iginla and the mighty Roman Cervenka come off the books. They might buyout some guys anyway.
- Philly is strapped as usual, but they haven't let silly things like the cap bother them before.
- SJ will have enough room to retain their guys.
- Chicago is strapped still, but no overly. Hossa's status is still a question.


Honestly, it looks like our team is the team in the biggest trouble. Yay for compliance buyouts?


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:24 PM

If I had to choose, Lu and Ballard would be the ones to go.

Would suck to get nothing but cap relief for them, though. There could be a lot of very good players walking around unemployed at the beginning of 13-14 who may have to sign for "peanuts" in the NHL just to suit up.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:26 PM

Ballard and Booth. Looking to see if we can still get something for Lu.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:27 PM

Since we're already discussing this in the CBA thread and you're talking about for any NHL team, why did you put this in Canucks Talk?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

Honestly I think it's better for something like this to be in Canucks talk than cluttering up the CBA talk when people are anxious to see if there is any progress.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:37 PM

Too late for that, we've already had someone detail a number of possibilities for all the teams in the CBA thread. Is there really a lot of debate that would require its own thread beyond Ballard and Booth for who we'd buyout anyway (assuming we could trade Luongo, but he'd be a third option)?

EDIT: Found the post, which was related to the single buyout option, but there's been plenty of discussion since on our options as well as for other teams.

Likely buyout candidates? These are my best guesses that would get the teams under a $60 mil cap with no other additions.


Ana - None/Under
Bos - None/Under
Buf - Leino
Cal - Bouwmeester
Car - None/Under
Chi - Frolik
Col - None/Under
Clb - None/Under
Dal - None/Under
Det - None/Under
Edm - Horcoff/Hemsky/Whitney
Fla - None/Under
LA - None/Under
Min - Heatley
Mtl - Gomez
Nas - None/Under
NJ - None/Under
NYI- None/Under
NYR - None/Under ( But still need to sign Del Zotto)
Ott - None/Under
Phi - Briere??? - If not counting Pronger the Flyers only need to shed approx $ 2mil but do not have full roster
Pho - None/Under
Pit - Martin
SJ - Havlat
Stl - None/Under
TB - Ohlund
Tor - Komisarek
Van - Ballard + ???
Was - Ward & ???
Win - None/Under



What a cursory look at the numbers shows that the Canucks are one of the few teams, along with Wash and Philly, that likely cannot get compliant with a single move but that the $60 mil cap seems highly doable for most teams.

The guys who will suffer the most are the RFAs who have not signed with their team yet. ie. Subban, Del Zotto.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

Isn't Savard still on injury reserve?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:44 PM

Since we're already discussing this in the CBA thread and you're talking about for any NHL team, why did you put this in Canucks Talk?

The title asks 'Who are yours?'

That meant Canucks. Hence Canucks talk.

There is a Luongo amnesty buyout thread yes, but now that 2 buyouts are possible for '13-'14, it's news. Besides the Lockout/CBA thread is dryer than a fart.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:47 PM

Other teams a mentioned so there is a gauge on how big our problems look compared to other strapped teams. imo Fairly substantial.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

obviously ballard is our first choice, cdc has been throwing names like booth and lu in the mix though. why not discuss garrison? he's Making some serious coin for having one good season. I wouldn't want to let him go but maybe resign him for less?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:52 PM

The title asks 'Who are yours?'

That meant Canucks. Hence Canucks talk.

There is a Luongo amnesty buyout thread yes, but now that 2 buyouts are possible for '13-'14, it's news. Besides the Lockout/CBA thread is dryer than a fart.

For me it really is going to depend on how the season (if there is one) unfolds and also what the salary cap for next season ends up being.

Right now it looks like Luongo and Ballard are the main targets but a good season can change peoples (management and fans) minds pretty quick.

Remember all the Bieksa hate?
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I doubt Kesler would ever break 15 goals in his career again.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:53 PM

Ballard is my biggest one he has no trade value, and are just eating up cap space. Ballard is a borderline 6th d-man, getting paid 4 mill a year
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:54 PM

obviously ballard is our first choice, cdc has been throwing names like booth and lu in the mix though. why not discuss garrison? he's Making some serious coin for having one good season. I wouldn't want to let him go but maybe resign him for less?


Garrison put up a great amount of points with the Panthers. He'd be deadly on the power play with the Sedins. And who would replace him?

Honestly, this isn't NHL 13. We need players like Garrison especially considering there's no d-man close to him left on the market.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:56 PM

Garrison put up a great amount of points with the Panthers. He'd be deadly on the power play with the Sedins. And who would replace him?

Honestly, this isn't NHL 13. We need players like Garrison especially considering there's no d-man close to him left on the market.

it was a question not a suggestion. just wanted to see what others thought. don't refer to nhl 13 like I'm a 6 yr old.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:56 PM

The title asks 'Who are yours?'

That meant Canucks. Hence Canucks talk.

There is a Luongo amnesty buyout thread yes, but now that 2 buyouts are possible for '13-'14, it's news. Besides the Lockout/CBA thread is dryer than a fart.

It wasn't immediately clear you meant only us, as evidenced by the first reply being Heatley. My point stands in that there it's pretty obvious there are 2-3 guys we'd buy out and that it's already been covered in the CBA thread (and the Luongo buyout thread - thanks, forgot about that one).
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:57 PM

Gomez and Jeff Finger
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:58 PM

it was a question not a suggestion. just wanted to see what others thought. don't refer to nhl 13 like I'm a 6 yr old.

He has a point - not to mention you can't buyout a player only to re-sign him for less. They become UFAs and can go wherever they want. Why would Garrison want to sign with us as a UFA, only to be bought out and have us ask him to sign for less than we just signed him for before he's had a chance to play a single game?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:10 PM

Ballard is the obvious choice. After that Malhotra or Booth, but I'd wait to see what they can do first.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:12 PM

He has a point - not to mention you can't buyout a player only to re-sign him for less. They become UFAs and can go wherever they want. Why would Garrison want to sign with us as a UFA, only to be bought out and have us ask him to sign for less than we just signed him for before he's had a chance to play a single game?

again just a question. I don't know everything that's why I ask. I'd be really upset if we lose edler to free agency while we hold on to Mr garrison at 4.6 for 6yrs
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:14 PM

For the people who already wanna get rid of Booth :picard: We've only had the guy for one year...
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

I would buy out Ballard and Raymond/Malholtra.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

If Vancouver bought out Booth who would we have playing on the second line besides Kesler?! Buyout Ballard and either Raymond or Malhotra. Thats 6mil gone already, then trade Luongo for Prospects + picks.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:23 PM

Ballard,Kassian :bigblush:
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:26 PM

Here is my list:

Anaheim: NA
Boston: Savard and Thomas
Buffalo: Leino and Sekera
Calgary: Stajan and (Stempniak?)
Carolina: NA
Chicago:Hjalmarsson and Hossa (IF The concussion ruined him)
Colorado:Hejda
CBJ: Tyutin
Dallas: NA
Detroit: Ericsson
Edmonton: Horcoff
Florida: Upshall and Kopecky
LA Kings: NA
Minnesota: Heatley
Montreal: Gomez and Kaberle
Nashville: NA
New Jersey: Volchenkov
NYI: DiPietro and possibly Grabner
NYR: Redden and Boyle
Ottawa: NA
Philadelphia: Pronger
Phoenix: (Michalek and Vrbata?)
Pittsburgh: NA
San Jose: Havlat
St. Louis: Jackman
Tampa Bay: Lecavalier and Ohlund
Toronto: Komisarek (All other contracts would expire)
Vancouver: Ballard and Luongo
Washington: Ward
Winnipeg: NA

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

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How dumb are people to think that Lu should be bought out? Ever heard of trading a player......
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

Agreeing to have the buyout count again the players' share is ridiculous. Once again the owners dumping the blame for their collective stupidity onto the players. Which come to think of it, is the whole crux of this lockout.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:32 PM

How dumb are people to think that Lu should be bought out? Ever heard of trading a player......


Why trade for him when you can get him for nothing after a buyout?
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:41 PM

Trade Luongo for roster player and prospects, buy out Ballard and either Raymond or Malhotra.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:46 PM

How dumb are people to think that Lu should be bought out? Ever heard of trading a player......


Ever heard of a NMC?
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