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[Discussion] Roberto Luongo Trade Thread 4.0

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From the "News" thread:

I say good for Gillis. Exactly what he should be doing/saying.

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That's not what's happening.

The one known in all of this is that Vancouver MUST get rid of Roberto Luongo, sooner or later - but no later than the off-season, really. Knowing this, you can understand why Toronto, or anybody else, is unwilling to pay up. Mike Gillis has to get rid of Roberto Luongo, and this puts the Vancouver Canucks in a very weak bargaining position.

Deny this all you want, but this is what's happening. This is the game. The whole world knows that Gillis has to get Luongo off of his roster prior to the 2013-14 season. Luongo's price just continues to drop the longer that we hold on to him, because other teams know that Gillis has to come up with a solution prior to the 2013-14 season; meaning that if no trade is made this season, Nonis could well be able to pluck him off of waivers in the summer.

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There will be injuries, and there will be teams who's goalies struggle.

Oher teams will come knocking a month into the season when they're desperate. I'm not too worried about it.

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Roberto said that he's not coming back next year (through Ren Lavoie a couple of days ago), so I think the timeline has been set by him.

That notwithstanding, how do you expect us to sign Edler, or do anything else of significance, with $9.3M tied up in our goaltenders? It simply doesn't work to have both goalies, which is plain for anyone to see.

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Gillis is the boss - I love that incisive response to the Leafs panhandling.

Hey Toronto - you're the richest franchise in the NHL and you suck to the core.

Spend some GD money, take Dipietro in exchange for some dearly needed assets, buy him out and get back to us with a real-life offer.

Otherwise

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Kesler's injured - think Gillis has gone knocking on Steve Yzerman's door to ask about Vinny Lecavalier?

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King of ES goes to buy a house, and after talking with the realtor he firmly believed the price is too high. He sends the realtor a low ball offer which is rejected. FINE king says, after a couple months they will get desperate when the market drops and accept the price I proposed to them. In the mean time, the seller finds another interested party and accepts their offer since it isn't a complete low ball like kings. King panics, he realized this house was the only one on the market he really wanted. Now homeless for months because he was waiting to get his house for under market value, his wife leaves him in frustration. He ends up living in Nonis' basement.

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There will be teams that have a need for a permanent number 1 goaltender. Including the Leafs, but they're being stubborn. Let them lose for the first month, and then we'll see what they think about Luongo's pricetag.

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Brodeur will retire at the end of the year, if Luongo is not moved at or by the deadline, he can go to NJ in the offseason, or FLA if they decide Markstrom is not ready yet- he'd be a great mentor for Markstrom.

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You're aware of the risk, right? That of Reimer taking the opportunity and actually running with it?

Then what are the Canucks left with?

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You're aware of the risk, right? That of Reimer taking the opportunity and actually running with it?

Then what are the Canucks left with?

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OK, just don't use the "permanent need" argument that DeNiro suggested, because it doesn't apply to roughly 80 - 90% of teams in the NHL. Market size = limited and unchanging.

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Give it to about the 10-15 game mark and I bet we see a TON more offers coming in for Lu's services. I doubt Lu's here beyond the end of Feb.

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Points to refute your argument;

That contract allows a team to obtain elite level goaltending for a big discount of a normal goalie.

Rinne = 7

Lundqvist = 6.9

Price = 6.5

etc

Luongo at 5.3 allows you to stock up on other assets, perhaps a better 3rd line center/winger? Depth on defense? Especially with the 65 million cap coming up Rinne, Lundqvist, and price are commanding 10%+ of the cap for one position.

As for the long contract, yeah there is some things you have to work out or worry about. But as any team worth it's weight would have a very good team "capologist" / lawyer that surely could mitigate that burden, and if he ends up winning you a cup in 5 years, what's wrong with a 1 million dollar penalty for a few years?

So no, I disagree with you on Luongo's contract making him "worthless"

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I agree. We're not doing any favors for other teams. Especially not the Leafs.

Toronto's probably the worst team you can get involved with in long term trade talks. Their media gets way too involved and tries to dictate the price of players.

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He's not a rental. He has 9 years left on his contract.

I think some/most of you are discounting the franchise-changing event that would be the acquisition of Roberto Luongo.

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You're aware of the risk, right? That of Reimer taking the opportunity and actually running with it?

Then what are the Canucks left with?

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Yeah, because nothing appreciates in value faster than a 34 year-old goalie with a 9-year contract that's just lost his starting job to a first-time starter.

Great comparison.

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Roberto said that he's not coming back next year (through Ren Lavoie a couple of days ago), so I think the timeline has been set by him.

That notwithstanding, how do you expect us to sign Edler, or do anything else of significance, with $9.3M tied up in our goaltenders? It simply doesn't work to have both goalies, which is plain for anyone to see.

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