oldnews Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Did u actually see that proposed? Realistically not as a joke? Cause I actually saw the one I said realistically proposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I like the idea of this trade. Lu+raymond for Gardiner+1st+3rd Gardiner+Edler for Both Schenns, Leighton, 3rd Edler= L Schenn+Leighton+3rd Lu= B Schenn+1st Raymond= 3rd Get our backups Get our RHD Get our 2/3 center get 3 picks we can use to play around at trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Yeah the guy I argue with non-stop. I do think he will get us a solid return, & toronto will benefit big time from getting him. with Nonis I could see: Kadri, Frattin/Biggs, 1st. And under the circumstances that's pretty good IMO, better than what is being speculated about by all the media and alot of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 You are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noheart Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Actually I think: TO NYI: Roberto Luongo Keith Ballard TO VAN: Travis Hamonic Kyle Okposo Brock Nelson Rick Dipietro Ville Pokka 2013 1st 2014 1st Might challenge that proposal for the title of most lopsided proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Yes, the irony. Where is King? Did you wear him out? Kadri, Biggs, and a 1st you say? Interesting. That would be a 7th overall pick, another first round pick who's the Leafs best forward prospect, and yet another first round pick. Aren't you the authority who is always first in - 'they'd-never-do-that'... Well let's look at this proposal. They're really big on Biggs. Bigger than the Isles on Nelson, that is for certain. And the Leafs are much, much harder up for prospects. They'll never trade another 1st, they learned their lesson in the Kessel deal (could turn out to be a Seguin, Hamilton - or even worse, Reilly, the next #1 d-man! lol). Sound familiar? You're like the jekyll/hyde version of King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Actually I think: TO NYI: Roberto Luongo Keith Ballard TO VAN: Travis Hamonic Kyle Okposo Brock Nelson Rick Dipietro Ville Pokka 2013 1st 2014 1st Might challenge that proposal for the title of most lopsided proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I can't believe TSN actually called Vancouver a goalie graveyard. Sure we haven't had great luck with goalies here in the past, but what have the Leafs done exactly to not be a goalie graveyard? And now they're begging for one of ours? I really hope Lu doesn't go to Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Yeah maybe it isn't perfect, I didn't say it was a done deal. But I find it funny you are so hard on it after proposing 2 very lopsided deals. Coburn, Simmonds, Couturier for Lu, JS and Ballard then that NYI trade is disgustingly lopsided. Burke was high on Biggs cause he is American, gritty and big and all that buligerence crab, but Nonis obviously covets Luongo a bit more than Burke so perhaps he would part with him, by all accounts Kadri is in play, and I am not sure yet whether Nonis is willing to part with the first, although there is no chance that it will be a top 5 pick again unless some unforseen disaster happens, Luongo will surely get them into the playoffs and around the 20th overall range, I also find it funny you backup Lu's value non-stop then you say that they won't trade it just incase it is another top 5 or 10 pick. It seems like sometimes Lu's value is sky high in your mind and other's it is at what King thinks, just decide. I didn't realize you would be so "butt hurt" over me criticizing unrealistic trades, as I said I agree with alot of other things you say but I criticize alot of other people for terrible trades so It's only fair to criticize people I agree with sometimes aswell or else I'm spot picker, and i'm contradicting myself, and I don't like doing/being either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieCrumbs Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 PHI Luongo Ballard Schroeder VAN Giroux Coburn Couturier All Canucks problems are solved; 2C, 3C, DD, toughness, youth, grit, all are served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Luongo Ballard Okposo, Hamonic, Nelson Your proposal: Luongo Biggs, Kadri (who you're evidently taken quite a shine to) and a 1st Okposo and Kadri - both #7 overall picks. Biggs a 1st - Hamonic a 2nd. Nelson a 1st - a 1st. I've added Ballard - to a team that desperately needs a veteran blueliner. The second part of my proposal: Dipietro, 2 1sts, Pokka Insert any team or marginal asset here - it makes no difference. What do you think it will cost the Isles to sell off their $36 million debt to Dipietro / $24 million buyout? What will be the cost of trying to keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 You missed the point on both accounts Smashian. First, I wasn't being hard on your proposal - I was responding to it in the way you consistently jump in and write off pretty much instantly what are actually comparable deals. I don't think that it's actually a bad proposal - I'm not interested in Kadri and would substitutes someone else, but criticizing the value you assessed was not my point. It was more of a mirroring thing. You also missed the point of muppets, which is unfortunate. There was nothing butt hurt about that post. Don't take being rick rolled the wrong way. It's ok. Just pay it forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm assuming this is a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 LUONGO TO TML FOR BOZAK, GARDINER AND A 2ND... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 What will the cost be to keep Luongo and Ballard? Far more than to keep Dipietro. Even Lu alone is worse for there cap & salary situation than Dipietro, even Ballard is close to what Dipietro makes. Okposo > Kadri, the value for Okposo is far greater, Kadri has upside but his value is fading, I have no major love for Kadri I just don't understand why people don't give him a fair shot cause he's a Leaf, if he was our prospect alot of people would be all over him like they were with Cody. I guess you don't understand, Hamonic is going to probably be a top pair defensemen for them if he isn't already and he is only 22, Biggs projects to be a 2nd or 3rd liner. an early-mid 1st doesn't make up for it really that pick would probably be around 10-15. If Toronto offered Biggs + 1st for Hamonic no chance NYI would accept unless Snow has been drinking insanely for 48 hours straight prior for the offer. And it's one deal, u are just separating it to not look as bad, even then 2 1sts and a solid prospect like Pokka just to get rid of Dipietro look terrible. Your deal looks alot worse than mine, I'm just saying. And if you don't think so just post it on HF Boards and see what NYI fans say. Mine would obviously be turned down by them aswell, but I wouldn't get flamed like you, plus I never admitted it was a final deal seriously, I left it hanging in the idea that I said it prob wont get accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I don't see much comparison to Carter/Richards on Luongo, the Nash trade is far more comparable and even then we won't a deal that good for Lu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 How does it make his value higher, I said top 20 vs 20 I didn't say anything about top 40. My point was after about the top 15-20 the # of star goalies goes down, whereas for defensmen there are still plenty of top end defensemen. If you think so then let's compare the value. Look beyond the top 20 in these two lists, even from 20-40 if you want, and tell me which list is more valuable. Goalies: http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=640653 Defense: http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=640560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I am just throwing it out there, busy trade deadline for van, nothing's happening till then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 The guys on sportsnet said there's no way Nonis trades Gardiner for Luongo. So it's looking like the best deal coming out of Toronto is Bozak, Kadri, and Gunnarsson according to the fourthperiod. Time to start exploring options on other teams then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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