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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

I think the most likely candidates are now SJ, WSH, NYI.

Main pieces
San Jose: Couture/Pavelski
Washington: Johansson
NYI: Niederreiter.

Although with Washington, I don't know how Gillis' comment on the trade involving 'another player' could be relevant?


I'm pretty certain it will be San Jose.

But I'm even more certain there's not a chance in hell we're getting Couture from them.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:22 PM

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Bob McKenzie: Oilers are interested in Luongo and Chicago has had long interest. Says list of teams he WON'T go to isn't that long

Not really sure anyone knows which team it is, but there's obviously a hang-up delaying things.

Luongo would have a meltdown every time his own team scored a goal :lol:
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:26 PM

Not that I believe Luongo will end up with the Islanders but...

Couldn't the Canucks and Islanders share a buyout of DiPietro? I was thinking that if such was possible, then a deal of Luongo and Ballard to the Islanders for DiPietro and whatever could work, no?

The Canucks would use up one of their buyouts as they are unlikely to otherwise use them, take only half the buyout hit from DiPietro, get a good player, picks and other assets.

The Islanders, with lots of cap space, get Luongo, Ballard, half of DiPietro's buyout cap hit.

Win/win?


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I don't think you could share a buyout per se but the Isles could agree to keep half of Dipietro's salary and cap hit in a deal essentially making it the same thing. However, you'd need to ask yourself, would the Canucks rush to buy out Dipietro if his cap hit was just $2.25 mil? Maybe they would hang on to him for a year or two to see how he plays in a limited role here.

I do think elvis15 was on to something about Streit though. Perchance the 'other player' MG was refering to is Lubo and that the Isles are reluctant to move Streit until they know Visnovsky is reporting. That would make perfect sense to me

Lou
Ballard
Raymond

for

Streit
Bailey
Nino
Dipietro ( whereby NYI absorb 50% of his cap hit )

Alternatively I could also see in MG's quote that he may be pushing for Nabokov in place of a cheapened Dipietro. This would answer the question about his comments regarding taking back cap they don't want and 'not what they're trying to do'. What they're trying to do is get one year out of Nabby and promote Lack next next. Maybe?

It could be all a push to get the Isles to absorb Dipietro's contract.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:27 PM

Bluejackets? First off, I love the Jackets. Bobrovski has played well so far this year but Luongo would be a significant upgrade. The team seems better this year without RN61. Nationwide arena is a great arena. The arena district would remind you a lot of Yaletown. Columbus is a lovely town. Its very easy to fly to FLA from Columbus. Takes like no time to get through security. I think Roberto would like it. I think they could be the mystery suitor. They need some leadership...I don't think they even have a captain at this time.

Perhaps....Luongo and MayRay for Ryan Johansen (bring back a vancouverite!) and Foligno? I like that deal more for vancouver than the jackets but as a jackets fan, I don't hate it. MayRay gets a fresh start and would be an upgrade on Foligno. We get an instant second line. They lose a great prospect but gain an elite goalie.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:36 PM

Apparently, Luongo deal is done
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:37 PM

Apparently, Luongo deal is done


Source?

If you are referring to MG's quote...welcome to the party. You're late.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Luongo for his time with the Canucks, and wish him all the best in San Jose (unless we meet in the playoffs).
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

I also think it is the Sharks. Their GM knows how to make bold moves. The problem is I just don't see Pavelski coming here. He'd be almost the perfect fit. He would fill the 2nd Center spot until Kesler returns and than switch to RW. A Burrows-Kesler-Pavelski line would be an unreal double threat line. I actually think it will be Marleau and Clowe for Luongo and Booth. I'd rather go with Pavelski if we can snag him though.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:48 PM

Apparently, Luongo deal is done

Unless you provide a source no one is gonna believe you.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

I think a very key part of this deal is - the Canucks do not have a possible back-up available right now.

Lack just returned to the ice yesterday, and I doubt the Canucks are going to want to take a 'cap dump' for a back-up....

Which could be part of the delay of the deal.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:54 PM

I think a very key part of this deal is - the Canucks do not have a possible back-up available right now.

Lack just returned to the ice yesterday, and I doubt the Canucks are going to want to take a 'cap dump' for a back-up....

Which could be part of the delay of the deal.


But I'm certain the Canucks wouldn't mind a veteran back-up with some experience. As long as his contract isn't too pricey or long.

Niemi has two years left at a 3.8 cap hit, which is quite manageable. And he definitely has experience, and would be capable to handle things if Schneider was hurt for a while.

Pavelski + Niemi have about the same combined cap hit as Luongo + Raymond...
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:55 PM

I'm pretty certain it will be San Jose.

But I'm even more certain there's not a chance in hell we're getting Couture from them.


But one can dream :- )

In all seriousness though, I'm thinking Pavelski is the greatest possibility. Maybe Clowe, but probably Pavelski.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:57 PM

But I'm certain the Canucks wouldn't mind a veteran back-up with some experience. As long as his contract isn't too pricey or long.

Niemi has two years left at a 3.8 cap hit, which is quite manageable. And he definitely has experience, and would be capable to handle things if Schneider was hurt for a while.

Pavelski + Niemi have about the same combined cap hit as Luongo + Raymond...


Yeah - I don't doubt that they wouldn't mind acquiring a veteran back-up with a reasonable contract.

But those are few and far between.

If we acquire Niemi - that is still $7.8M tied up in goaltending.... which is about $2.0M too much. (not too mention Lack is on a one-way next year, thus counts against the cap next season; whether he is in the NHL or AHL)

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:57 PM

I also think it is the Sharks. Their GM knows how to make bold moves. The problem is I just don't see Pavelski coming here. He'd be almost the perfect fit. He would fill the 2nd Center spot until Kesler returns and than switch to RW. A Burrows-Kesler-Pavelski line would be an unreal double threat line. I actually think it will be Marleau and Clowe for Luongo and Booth. I'd rather go with Pavelski if we can snag him though.

Dont think you can trade a injured player( Booth)
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:00 PM

But one can dream :- )

In all seriousness though, I'm thinking Pavelski is the greatest possibility. Maybe Clowe, but probably Pavelski.


Quite a few of you are confident it is SJ, which is odd, seeing as it has always been assumed it is a team in the East we're trading with.

Couture is very unlikely... Pavelski would be a sweet return and seems unlikely as well.

Also, Schneider getting the start vs. Calgary doesn't prove a deal is done. He's our number 1 at the moment, isn't he?
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:02 PM

But I'm certain the Canucks wouldn't mind a veteran back-up with some experience. As long as his contract isn't too pricey or long.

Niemi has two years left at a 3.8 cap hit, which is quite manageable. And he definitely has experience, and would be capable to handle things if Schneider was hurt for a while.

Pavelski + Niemi have about the same combined cap hit as Luongo + Raymond...


I cant see Canucks wanting to have a back-up with a cap of 3.8, unless San Jose would agree to keep some cap the only way it would work is to include a third team.

Greiss had decent numbers for a back-up last year.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:06 PM

Yeah - I don't doubt that they wouldn't mind acquiring a veteran back-up with a reasonable contract.

But those are few and far between.

If we acquire Niemi - that is still $7.8M tied up in goaltending.... which is about $2.0M too much. (not too mention Lack is on a one-way next year, thus counts against the cap next season; whether he is in the NHL or AHL)


$7.8M is not too bad for a tandem the quality of Schneider-Niemi. Teams like the Predators, Rangers, and Habs spend $6.5-7M for just the starter, and a B-level back-up puts them in the same range.

As for Lack, if Schneider finds his groove, he'll be the guy for a long time, and Lack will be a trading asset. Perhaps they can use him to move up at the draft, and let Joe Cannata take over the farm team next season.

Alternatively, if the Nucks want to get rid of Niemi's salary and use Lack as the back-up, it IS only one year. Some team may take him for a pick, or at least off of waivers.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:08 PM

I can't believe anyone would want that pest Pavelski over Clowe. I don't think he's going to SJ either.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:11 PM

I can't believe anyone would want that pest Pavelski over Clowe.  I don't think he's going to SJ either.


Yes, because if there's one thing we could really use, it's another LW.

It's not like a C who can also play RW would be a good fit on this team.

Oh yeah, and why bother trading for a guy who is not an impending UFA?
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:12 PM

Just when i thought it was time to accept that i would have to be a bit more patient and stop my obsessive luongo watch, this happens.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:14 PM

I think the mystery team is either Philly or NYI.

MG said there is a player the team wants to return that the canucks don't want, which I' guessing is either Depietro or Bryz. Those honestly are the only teams I can see being this mystery team. Couturier, or Ninoreiter as the centrepieces of the of the other team.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

Quite a few of you are confident it is SJ, which is odd, seeing as it has always been assumed it is a team in the East we're trading with.

Couture is very unlikely... Pavelski would be a sweet return and seems unlikely as well.

Also, Schneider getting the start vs. Calgary doesn't prove a deal is done. He's our number 1 at the moment, isn't he?


I think people (including myself) just see San Jose as a legitimate option due to the Gomez issue. If Gomez gets locked up, then San Jose will be willing to dump a center.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

Yes, because if there's one thing we could really use, it's another LW.

It's not like a C who can also play RW would be a good fit on this team.

Oh yeah, and why bother trading for a guy who is not an impending UFA?


MG has shown he's quite adept at resigning guys once they are in the organization.........I have no doubt he'd resign Clowe. As a coach, I always expect my wingers to play either side, depending on need.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

I don't think you could share a buyout per se but the Isles could agree to keep half of Dipietro's salary and cap hit in a deal essentially making it the same thing. However, you'd need to ask yourself, would the Canucks rush to buy out Dipietro if his cap hit was just $2.25 mil? Maybe they would hang on to him for a year or two to see how he plays in a limited role here.

I do think elvis15 was on to something about Streit though. Perchance the 'other player' MG was refering to is Lubo and that the Isles are reluctant to move Streit until they know Visnovsky is reporting. That would make perfect sense to me

Lou
Ballard
Raymond

for

Streit
Bailey
Nino
Dipietro ( whereby NYI absorb 50% of his cap hit )

Alternatively I could also see in MG's quote that he may be pushing for Nabokov in place of a cheapened Dipietro. This would answer the question about his comments regarding taking back cap they don't want and 'not what they're trying to do'. What they're trying to do is get one year out of Nabby and promote Lack next next. Maybe?

It could be all a push to get the Isles to absorb Dipietro's contract.

Good point on the first paragraph. They certainly can't pay for half a buyout, but they can choose to keep half his cap hit and pay a part of his salary. that might be enough to make it attractive to the Canucks but hard to say. Not sure how they could get a cheaper DiPietro under the new CBA though (so that we could get Nabby like you mentioned).

Streit's outside the box, I admit, but maybe not any more unlikely than trading with NYI (or SJ, or Wash) to begin with.

Yeah - I don't doubt that they wouldn't mind acquiring a veteran back-up with a reasonable contract.

But those are few and far between.

If we acquire Niemi - that is still $7.8M tied up in goaltending.... which is about $2.0M too much. (not too mention Lack is on a one-way next year, thus counts against the cap next season; whether he is in the NHL or AHL)

Lack makes only $850K in the second year of his deal so it'd still be exempt from our cap since it's under $900K. It is a fair amount to spend on a tandem though (even considering NYR and Nash) but it has the benefit of Neimi only having 2 years left on it. We could even buy him out in the summer if we felt we wanted to clear more cap space or to make room for Lack, which would be much more affordable than buying out Bryz or DiPietro (or Luongo!) like some are suggesting.

I still don't see it but the discussion is interesting.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

Luongo to Philly for Hartnell+1st?
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:23 PM

Could it be the Canucks are awaiting lacks return ? If He is good to go then it means he'll backup Schneider...
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:24 PM

Good point on the first paragraph. They certainly can't pay for half a buyout, but they can choose to keep half his cap hit and pay a part of his salary. that might be enough to make it attractive to the Canucks but hard to say. Not sure how they could get a cheaper DiPietro under the new CBA though (so that we could get Nabby like you mentioned).

Streit's outside the box, I admit, but maybe not any more unlikely than trading with NYI (or SJ, or Wash) to begin with.


Lack makes only $850K in the second year of his deal so it'd still be exempt from our cap since it's under $900K. It is a fair amount to spend on a tandem though (even considering NYR and Nash) but it has the benefit of Neimi only having 2 years left on it. We could even buy him out in the summer if we felt we wanted to clear more cap space or to make room for Lack, which would be much more affordable than buying out Bryz or DiPietro (or Luongo!) like some are suggesting.

I still don't see it but the discussion is interesting.


I thought it was $900k, thus my comment.

I guess I retract that point - but still... they are not going to pay $3.8M for a back-up.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:32 PM

Vancouver: Mike Ribeiro, Michael Neuvirth, 1st Round Pick
Washington: Roberto Luongo, Mason Raymond

That's the best I can come up with, which is pretty sad.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:32 PM

Luongo to Philly for Hartnell+1st?


lol...you're on glue.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:35 PM

I thought it was $900k, thus my comment.

I guess I retract that point - but still... they are not going to pay $3.8M for a back-up.

Even if it was $900K it would not count against the cap, only anything above $900K. So, if his cap hit was $900,001 at the NHL level, then only the $1 would count against our cap while he's in the AHL.

We're (apparently) prepared to have Luongo's $5.33M against our cap this year, so I don't think Niemi's $3.8M is too big an issue. The only question is next year, and whether we'd have to buy him out or if we could find a home for him elsewhere, assuming we couldn't get under the $64M+ cap otherwise and wanted to keep him.

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