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#3331 Lui's Knob

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:15 AM

Forget Brouwer (former hawk iirc) and Orlov and give us mojo and rights to kuznetov...
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:17 AM

I would say so, why else would Mike Gillis say he has a deal on the table?
Also found it strange to hear him talking about taking another bad contract, "we wont take it"

the more I think about it the more calculated it looks.

we are getting excited over nothing.

I would say so, why else would Mike Gillis say he has a deal on the table?
Also found it strange to hear him talking about taking another bad contract, "we wont take it"

the more I think about it the more calculated it looks.

we are getting excited over nothing.



I keep reading people misquoting gillis .. he said potential deal .. not " a deal " gillis and other Gms are trying to work out a deal .. its not a sham .. not just for leverage .. he just plain and simple told the reporter what was happening .. listen luongo is a great goalie , and if your teams window is now , he can put you over the top .. of coarse teams are interested .. come on folks .. it wont be an easy deal to make .. they rarely are .. and good things dont come easily .. I love that mike wont be pressured .. thank god ..
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:17 AM

getting so fked annoyed when i think theres new updates on luongo news thread only to see discussion...god damn it


I hear ya buddy, then your thinking...

Do I lip them off? or is that hypocritical?
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:20 AM

ugh... No thanks to Laich and his contract. Basically a better Malhotra. Doesn't fit long term so we'd have to move him next season.


Laich is waay better than Malhotra. Don't know what you're talking about. Character guy who is apparently a great leader.

He'd likely replace Booth next season.

And as for Brouwer being a former Hawk. Who cares? The guy's from Vancouver, and would give us the depth of a real cup contender.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:22 AM

I hear ya buddy, then your thinking...

Do I lip them off? or is that hypocritical?

Exactly what I think too. Its so annoying seeing discussion in the news thread when it clearly says NEWS ONLY in the title, its so hard to restrain from telling them to stop. Some people will never I guess.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:26 AM

I hear ya buddy, then your thinking...

Do I lip them off? or is that hypocritical?


YA LOL thats why i posted here..-_-
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:32 AM

Laich is waay better than Malhotra. Don't know what you're talking about. Character guy who is apparently a great leader.

He'd likely replace Booth next season.

And as for Brouwer being a former Hawk. Who cares? The guy's from Vancouver, and would give us the depth of a real cup contender.


Guys,

I think you're missing something in your talk about Washington/ Philly when you're talking Brower, Laich, Briere etc...

Luongo is an All Star and while these guys are all good pieces I am quite sure MG is holding out this long for one reason. He wants and needs a young stud coming back to help with organizational depth.

If you're trading a talented, all star, asking for a high level prospect and a vet who can get you 40-50 pts is not outside of reason given the propect likely hasn't done anything yet.

More importantly, he said we want one back. He will not accept 2-3rd liners for Lou, or an aging (however good) vet in Briere as the center pieces.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:34 AM

To add on to why I think Hartnell & Briere is in the mix ---

If we trade for Briere, Philly will have to take on at least $1.5 million of his cap-hit because of the contract he signed in 2007.


You know what, I've been trying to figure out ways to get a good roster under the salary cap for 2013-2014, I can't!

Stupid Gary. Even though we aren't the only team to have to cut some salary, its actually really annoying that the salary cap is going down.

The Scott Hartnell and Danny Briere trade would only work for this one season...


Interesting dynamic that Briere contract bit.

I don't think Hartnell is realistic but I could see Briere and this is how:

Salary cap is at 64.3.

So we buyout Ballard, trade Luongo for Briere and that leaves us at 58.75, then the notibale signings.

- Re-sign Manny for2 years at 950k per.
- Re-sign Schroeder for 2 years, 900k per.
- Re-Sign Tanev for 2 years at 1.25 per.
- Re-Sign Lappierre for 3 years at 1.25 per
- Re-sign Weise for 2 years at 700k per
- Re-sign Connaution for 1 year at 900k

Then if Philly takes the 1.5 like you said this would leave us just under the cap at 63.97.

Our line-up would be:

Daniel - Henrik - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Briere
Hansen - Schroeder - Kassian
Malhotra - Lappierre - Weise

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Edler
Connaution - Tanev

Schneider
Lack

Keep in mind that Kassian, Schroeder, Connaution and Tanev will all be further developed. The thing is Briere is 35, so is it really worth taking on 3 years (till 38) with his cap hit at 5 Million, that's what we want to consider, at second glance perhaps not.

Who knows though, this is just what I came up with.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:35 AM

Laich is waay better than Malhotra. Don't know what you're talking about. Character guy who is apparently a great leader.

He'd likely replace Booth next season.

And as for Brouwer being a former Hawk. Who cares? The guy's from Vancouver, and would give us the depth of a real cup contender.


umm no thanks. Booth is cheaper, faster and better offensively. Don't need 4.5M on a solid slow defensive player. We have enough defensive players and "leadership" in the locker room.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

ugh... No thanks to Laich and his contract. Basically a better Malhotra. Doesn't fit long term so we'd have to move him next season.


Liach is a way better verison than Malhotra, he brings what we need for the playoffs. If we could get him and Orlov (maybe even Brouwer aswell) I would jump all over it in a heartbeat.

He is a complete player, that is a good skater brings offense (3 time 20 goal scorer, and one 25 goal year) He is a great defensive player, great PK guy, good down low, does the grunt work, useful on the PP, brings grit, leadership, intangables, is in his prime and his contract isn't that bad 4.5 for everything he brings is in some ways comparable to Booths. We could manage his contract and still have a very good team next year.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 23 January 2013 - 12:41 AM.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:40 AM

Liach is a way better verison than Malhotra, he brings what we need for the playoffs. If we could get him and Orlov (maybe even Brouwer aswell) I would jump all over it in a heartbeat.


I don't see what you see in Laich so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Only player I'd want from wsh is Forsberg, but I doubt they move him.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:43 AM

Man, Sam Gagner's name being thrown around?

Was on pace for 51 points last year & the year before that. He's injury prone, but he's reliable enough. As a third line-center with the ability to play for Kesler for now, he'd be good.

Just 23 years old and has had 15+ goals 4 times, and 40+ points 5 times. If he could stay healthy for 82 games and play with a big winger, he could easily put up 50 points. Maybe more if he ran the 2nd PP here.

Obviously it wouldn't be Luongo for Gagner straight up, but Luongo for Gagner, Dubnyk + ________. All depends what else they can throw in, but Gagner would look pretty good centering the 3rd line when the team is healthy..

Edited by Teemu Selšnne, 23 January 2013 - 12:49 AM.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:44 AM

umm no thanks. Booth is cheaper, faster and better offensively. Don't need 4.5M on a solid slow defensive player. We have enough defensive players and "leadership" in the locker room.


Booth has been injured more than he has played for us. For pretty much the same price, I'd take Laich.

Laich isn't slow. He may not be as fast as Booth, but he can skate. Speed only gets you so far, at some point a team needs more grit. Laich brings more of that than Booth.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:44 AM

Check my edit.

I see a 3 time 20+ goal scorer, capable of 25 goals and 50+ points, while bringing grit, toughness, defensive play, leadership, Great shot blocker/PK guy, solid skating ability, size, intangables, he's like a developed verison of Gaunce with maybe more pure grit. He can also play Wing or Center and is a good faceoff man, can play in every role and brings tons of versitility, one of those guys who can be key in playoff runs (on the right team in the right role)

Could be our verison of Bolland/Stoll.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 23 January 2013 - 12:46 AM.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:55 AM

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:59 AM

Guys,

I think you're missing something in your talk about Washington/ Philly when you're talking Brower, Laich, Briere etc...

Luongo is an All Star and while these guys are all good pieces I am quite sure MG is holding out this long for one reason. He wants and needs a young stud coming back to help with organizational depth.

If you're trading a talented, all star, asking for a high level prospect and a vet who can get you 40-50 pts is not outside of reason given the propect likely hasn't done anything yet.

More importantly, he said we want one back. He will not accept 2-3rd liners for Lou, or an aging (however good) vet in Briere as the center pieces.


I agree.

Lui is the last big chip that Gillis can flip to restock our team's pathetic and thin prospect pool. There has to be a high-end prospect coming back in any Lui deal. If Brouwer or Laich are involved, the prospect has to be named Forsberg or Kuznetsov. If the deal is with Philly, the deal has to include one of their high end prospects. Ideally Gillis needs to get back both a player who can slide in to fill a hole on the current roster AND a high-end prospect.

Heck, if high-end prospects like Forsberg, Kuznetsov, Couturier, or Johansen are on the table, Gillis needs to do whatever he can to get them. If that means taking on a contract this year to buy out next year then so be it. Opportunities to get good young players don't come around every day.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:10 AM

I think it may be a deal with Dallas MG is talking about for B. Morrow.

My reasons:
1. Morrow would be a really good 2nd line forward MG would agree.
2. Dallas isn't winning a cup any time soon Morrow likely wants out and he has been very loyal Dallas would honor that request because Morrow likely wants to go out with a bang to end his career and challenge for the cup his last few seasons.
3. There was talk before of mutual interest between Morrow and MG in the past.
4. A team Lou would likely go to because it's close to Florida.
5. Dallas wouldn't trade unless they knew Benn would stay long term what MG was talking about.

The only hitch i see is Dallas has Lehtonen but The stars could easily ship him off to any of the numerous teams that may need a upgrade in net for their team need.

I am a fan of this trade if it happens.

Morrow has a good mix of heart, skill and grit and would definitely be a great piece for a possible cup.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:45 AM

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Just heard from a solid source that there is another Team in the Luongo Mix. Edmonton apparently has offered Sam Gagner, will Lou say yes?


lol if that's all they're offering then pls go Edmonton
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:47 AM

Trade is gonna happen with WSH I can just feel it!!!
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:00 AM

If it happens with Washington...would WSH dare trade Ovechkin for Luongo + +???? say Luongo, raymond, and booth for ovi
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:04 AM

I think the Mystery Team may be the NJD, with Brodeur and Hedberg all over 40 this coming May, they need a solid top 10 Goalie. Signing Zajac long term may be sign of shuffling Center. They have Josefson who plays a similar role with Henrique, there's a deal to be made there.

Here's more of my reasoning: http://nhlpa.wordpre...go-trade-rumor/
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:25 AM

IMO Lu might have a small no-trade list at this point but I think that Edmonton would be on it. They won't be seriously competing for another few years and its still the great frozen North, well away from the Sunshine. I haven't seen any real reasoning to suggest he'd agree to such a trade aside from Fuhr being his idol, which is weak logic. I'd say Edmonton, Columbus and maybe Calgary are the only truly off-limits teams from his standpoint. Maybe Toronto and Minnesota as well but I think they're still possibilities.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:58 AM

For all those who say Dallas... Lehtonen is their #1. He is a proven workhorse who gives them a chance every night. Lu wouldn't necessarily be an upgrade, and Lehtonen is younger.

Obviously Lu isn't going to Dallas.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:04 AM

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:05 AM

Brouwer, and some kind of prospect would be sick.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:08 AM

Calm before the storm right now.. no TSN analyst has commented since the end of the Oilers game... usually these clowns tweet out something by now.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:30 AM

Someone retweeted it on Twitter, saw it for a few seconds a couple hours ago, but what I dont get is, Washington has up and coming Holtby, would they still wanna take Luongo??


Holtby has been TERRIBLe god them - he's the reason they lost the last game
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:30 AM

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:07 AM

I think Mackenzie's ego as "the insider" is out of control - he's an insider, sometimes, but NHL GMs don't have to apprise him of anything in order for it to be a reality and for him to come out and speculate that there's nothing to Gillis' comment imo makes him look like an idiot.

I don't see Gillis as the smoke and mirrors type - he's generally either forthright or simply responds that he's not going to comment on a matter. Given his style this would be a good bluff, but I don't think it is. I find it utterly hilarious that there has been so much readiness to swallow endless Luongo to Toronto rumours but all of a sudden there's no way a Luongo deal in priniciple could be in the works that sees him go elsewhere. Indicating that a deal is in place and waiting for that team to do something with a player doesn't necessarily have the logical effect of increasing the bidding - it could also have the effect of suggesting people look elsewhere under those cicumstances. In Toronto's case, feel free to.


"We have a potential deal in place with one team that has to do something with another player that they have — and it’s not who anybody thinks it is — and so we have to wait."

I think this rules out players like Briere - the Flyers are waiting for Briere, they don't have to do something with him

IMO it involves a team with a goaltender who is a significant cap hit, who for one reason or another sees fit to either move a bad contract, replace a veteran nearing retirement, or upgrade on a mid tier goalie whose cap hit they would not want to keep in addition to Luongo. That leaves a significant amount of possibilities.


Def agree. I laugh everytime Bob Mckenzie trys to add input to the Luongo situation. Where was he when others found out Edm was in the mix? Where was he when others found Philly was in the mix? He's had zero actual info re: Luongo this entire time. In fact, it's a rare occurrence when he has inside info about Canucks in general. Now I see he's sent 3 tweets about the validity of Gillis comments - um, ok Bob, so now suddenly you have info about the Canucks? He spent the summer talking about how there's a very 'limited' market for Luongo - all the while there were more teams than he knew in the mix. He's such a troll, I've despised him since the Canucks Cup run where he cut them down every chance he got.

As you said, Gillis has never been one for smoke and mirrors. Comments about a 'potential' deal in place isn't going to light a fire under any GM. They're interested, or they're not. They're talking to Gillis this entire time about Lu, or they're not. He stands more to lose by those comments than the opposite. The media is just trying to make another meal out of the Canucks apparent 'problem' of 2 great goalies.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:18 AM

If it happens with Washington...would WSH dare trade Ovechkin for Luongo + +???? say Luongo, raymond, and booth for ovi

You would have a better chance of winning the lotto then convincing washington to trade Ovechkin.
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