shazzam Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 There are a couple of questions to ask... 1) Is MG willing to starting the season with both Luongo and Schneider? ------- Preferably not given the possible distractions but he could probably live with it 2) Is MG willing to start next season with both Luongo and Schneider? ------- Zero chance imo. Someone will be moved between now and summer of 2013 3) Are the leafs and panthers the only teams interested and Luongo is willing to goto? ------- I don't know 3) Do the leafs need an upgrade in goal to make the playoffs? ------- No one can say for sure. 4) is Luongo the leafs only option for an upgrade? ------- Well I don't know which goalies are available, Burke will shop around if he is indeed looking for upgrade. 5) Is it possible the leafs start the season with the goalies they have and see how they perform first ------- Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Why would he sit on the bench as backup. With a short and tight schedule every team would love to have two #1 goalies. I expect Luongo to get plenty of games. Schneider hasn't played great over in Europe, granted different rink size and angles etc. Luongo may even out play Schneider and regain his job back. Look what happened in Boston. Crazy guy lost his starting job only to come back the following year to win the Cup and the Conn Smythe. It will be more of a 1A and 1B situation than starter and backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 That deal is not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Something tells me BB is arrogant enough to start the season with his "two NHL goalies" and blame another missed playoff year on the chaos of a shortened season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 The obvious difference is that we're dealing with a depreciating asset who's value will drop with each game that he becomes established as an NHL backup. The pressure will grow more and more on GILLIS as this situation remains unresolved, especially if the team gets off to a slow start, something that I'd call pretty likely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avicii Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Don't care where Luongo ends up honestly, cause wherever he does he'll carry them to the playoffs. I'd laugh if we met him in the Cup finals, and he outplayed Schneider. Oh man that would just make my day, but i'd cry a little inside too cause that would mean we lost in the finals again.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avicii Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 A top 2 D man 'is not enough' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fakename70 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 If and when it actually happens, anything less than Steven Weiss in return and I'll be seriously disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 the value to who though? obviously the cap hit sucks for us, but does our team suck? no, not in my opinion. i think we have a good enough team to compete all season with a 1a and 1b goalie system. Is that ideal for us? no but i dont believe the pressure is as immense as you suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surtur Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The obvious difference is that we're dealing with a depreciating asset who's value will drop with each game that he becomes established as an NHL backup. The pressure will grow more and more on GILLIS as this situation remains unresolved, especially if the team gets off to a slow start, something that I'd call pretty likely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 This risks far outweigh rewards in hanging onto Luongo. It will be nearly 9 months between Lu's last game and the start of this seasons training camp, and Lu and he has been known to struggle coming out of the gate with as little as 3 months between. In a 48 game season and with the other teams in our division likely to be much improved, the Canucks have no luxury of giving Lu starts if he struggles because there is not 82 games to work with. Lu was arounnd last lockout, and yes it was a full season lost, but the year after the lockout he had by far his worst stats of his career. Many of the same people who said Luongo would never be traded are probably the ones who cannot see that he certainly is a candidate to buy out. If there is no trade done before the season begins and Lu plays like he does most Octobers, the Canucks will have a very tough time finding any takers for him, and they will be forced to hang onto him until after next season and if he does not play exceptionally well he will be bought out at the end of the 2013-14 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 or they come out of the gate like it is a race to the playoffs.... just as likely to happen as a slow start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Yeah I like it, logical value; but its not a logical trade. McArthur is another LW in a mittfull of LW's for us... Why not break down and actually get pieces that slot directly into our needs? For better or worse, Bozak fills a centre role for us and offers cap relief next year. Our other holes are RW and right D. And I also think we need to put Franson in as a depth D for us. Having a depth right handed shot would allow us to dangle Ballard or possibly even Edler. If I had the choice I'd be asking for any three of Kadri, Ashton, Franson and Bigg's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 IMO with the condensed schedule and multiple teams bidding (quoted by both Lu and MG), the Canucks are going to get good value. So here's my trade and roster. Lu, Raymond, Sauve For Gardiner/Rielly and Bozak Sign Vandermeer Sign Huselius Sign Ellis Sedins Burr Booth Kes Huselius Higgins Bozak Hansen Lap Manny Kass Weise, Shroeder Ebbett Ham Bieksa Edler Garr Ballard Tanev Vander Alberts Schneider Ellis Lack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 my latest prediction Luongo goes to florida for grimaldi straight up. King of ES was right the entire time on the little return he also gets the one guy he wants. half of cdc deletes their account lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Don't trade Lu... trade Schneider. End of thread... if Gillis had a brain and traded Schneider at the dead line we would have got some assets to get us past the kings. That being said Duncan Keith hit on Daniel didn't help our chances either. If that hadnt happened I think we would have won and all the luongo haters would have tattood his name all over their bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john bell Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I'd like Marcel Goc from Florida as a decent role playing center and a 2nd. Lou isn't worth too much more than that. Goc makes 1.7.mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Oh yeah, that would be great and I think MG should hold on to Luongo until someone pays what MG wants. Pressure will build on BB to pull the trigger when the Leafs fall out of playoff contention. He will give in when he realizes he has to pull the trigger soon or the Leafs miss playoffs again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Not a lot of Canucks have been playing any sort of meaningful hockey, besides Dale Wiese, who's a meaningless player. Even Schneider hasn't been in Switzerland for very long - a month, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 This is about winning, if Luongo plays better than Schneider off the hop he can play just as much if not more so, doesn't mean we will keep him over Schneider, but if he plays great he will see the icetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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