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#1201 smurf47

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:13 AM

... And Luongo was already established. Careful what you wish for; it doesn't bode well for this team.

You are entitled to your opinion but you are swimming upstream and against the current. Better hockey minds than any of us have decided that an unproven rookie is preferable to the existing veteren and thus are trading Lou. Teams are built from the net out and like it or not, Schneider is the goalie of the immediate future for the Canucks.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:14 AM

I certainly don't call Luongo "expendable". Disgruntled yes but "expendable"? No. You don't give a rookie a repeat President's Trophy team with a closing window to a Stanley Cup, akin to giving a Ferrari 360 Mondena to a 16 year old; he'll crash it faster than you can pay for it.

The coach is to blame on that one. And that's if there if blame to be had outside of an utter lack of effort against the Kings; the eventual Stanley Cup winners.

As for Boston, the entire world was for Boston, even our own National Television outlet CBC turned out to be in favor of Boston, as well as most Vancouver media outlets. They who were not in favor of Boston to win, we're not shy of letting their skeptical opinion known on the matter. Hell most Vancouver media personalities aren't even from Vancouver and they're supposed to rally the troops for the win?

The Canucks didn't help themselves either with late hits, embellishment, finger biting, walking into a fully gelled house of hate and coming back out with a broken back. To me, the series was lost when Rome got suswnded for a hit as equally devastating as the Brown on Henrik hit, then with Alberts having to knock on the penalty door to get in and then again confirmed after Daniel was bitch slapped by a tweeter rookie protected by some of the biggest bulls on the market.

Blame Luongo? No! Get him a god damned nasty crease clearing 1D FFS and get the team some much needed toughness and secondary scoring.

The mentality of all for one and one for all MUST be there. It was there for Chicago, it was there for Boston and it definitely was there for L.A.

I think Luongo willingly giving the go ahead to open the door for a trade is more telling than the actual event; the wheels have fallen off the wagon in Vancouver from the net up.

If it went as it should, Hodgson would be playing 2C this year. But no. Kesler's pride came before the team. Now the Canucks have to go fish not only for a 3C but also a 2C and that is until Kesler comes back and takes his position by right at 2C? I don't think so. AV is also not the most agile media magician, he also has had many blunders that have hurt the team.

To me, Luongo is more than just a trade. It is the story of a franchise in disarray.

One way to calm down this entire fiasco is to trade Schneider for much needed help in front of the net, in scoring and/or toughness. I would certainly take the chance of winning a Cup with a known goaltender and the extra help, than a fresh rookie with 70 games experience.

It just makes absolutely no sense whatever.

To say Luongo is worth close to nothing, giving up on him like that, the season hasn't even started, the CBA is still pending ratification from the NHLPA and the media frenzy is already growing, now including "surprise" Philly. Well SURPRISE! It's Luongo we're talking about here. That's how much he's worth around the league. Only Vancouver fans don't get it.


ok first of all Schneider has been discussed, he's 26, and more than capable. Luongo willing to be traded is a guy who is a good team player. and while I won't touch the Hodgson debate specifically are you seriously about to turn Kesler into a whipping boy? Who else on this team is actually capable of playing 2C at Kesler's level when he's healthy? What is this by right nonsense?
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:19 AM

I am so sure Philly is ready to trade for an older mental case with a longer contract, and they cant buy Bryz out until after the season so you expect Philly to be thrilled to have Lu and Bryz on the same team?
I guess now with the new CBA a NTC and NMC are essentially the same, but with Bryz and his NMC, I think Lu would be much more likely to want to play in the centre of the universe more so than Bryz, so I doubt Bryz waives his NMC to go to Toronto.
To buy out Bryz to take on Lu would be outright stupidity because Lu and Bryz are equal right now.


The 3-way proposal he was replying to had Lou going to Toronto, not Philly, and Bryzgalov staying put.

Reading things in context?
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:23 AM

ok first of all Schneider has been discussed, he's 26, and more than capable. Luongo willing to be traded is a guy who is a good team player. and while I won't touch the Hodgson debate specifically are you seriously about to turn Kesler into a whipping boy? Who else on this team is actually capable of playing 2C at Kesler's level when he's healthy? What is this by right nonsense?


Starting to think 101 is coach AV.
Divine rights like Lu saying do not pull me in game 3 against Boston was the beginning of our demise.
Divine rights is why a player playing better going into the World Juniors like Corrado did not get picked, it is why Malcolm Subban was given the undisputed #1 position until it was to late, even though in many of the games leading into the tourny the other goalies were playing much better.
You always do what is best for the team, and what is best for this team is to trade the guy did not put the team 1st(Luongo) , so you can keep the guy who trusted GMMG and signed a contract that even though Lu is still here saved Gillis a massive headache and not putting him in a bind by becoming a RFA.

Edited by Get real canuck fans, 10 January 2013 - 11:25 AM.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:31 AM

This 'source' was already discredited a few days ago and is not valid. She has a stock photo as her avatar and isn't actually listed on the Toronto Sun site as a columnist.


Thanks Elvis, I tried researching it a bit. Then I remembered I'm at work and have sh!t to get done. You the.... King...
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:37 AM

ok first of all Schneider has been discussed, he's 26, and more than capable. Luongo willing to be traded is a guy who is a good team player. and while I won't touch the Hodgson debate specifically are you seriously about to turn Kesler into a whipping boy? Who else on this team is actually capable of playing 2C at Kesler's level when he's healthy? What is this by right nonsense?


Schneider is a 26 year old backup with great numbers. Is he a 1G? Fact is, we don't know yet whereas we know that Luongo has brought instant credibility to Vancouver as a perenial Cup competior. Never in its history was it considered as such. Whether the guy is 18, 26 ot 36, 70 games doesn't make you a sure thing. Luongo is a sure bet to get you into the playoffs and the meltdowns are an indication of other aspects of the game the Canucks play; not entirely Luongo's sole fault.

Concerning Kesler, no one can deny the massive ego that guy has. My contention is that Kesler's ego is bigger than the Canucks organization and has cost Hodgson who was deemed the next captain. When he's healthy, on this team, Kesler is the best option for 2C duty. But Kesler was injured while Hodgson was wanting to help and AV and Kesler didn't let that happen. Today, we might have had Hodgson playing part-time 2C while Kesler recovered just in time for the playoffs against th Kings, and Hodgson now ready to take on 2C duty while Kesler recovers for the two eventual surgeries he required. Kesler is at fault, as well as AV.

Call it nonesense if you must, the reality is, something went awfully wrong in the backdrop that has made for the Canucks losing their prized rookie and their 2C for an undertermined amount of time and now they're about to lose their 1G because it happens that they didn't fare well agaimst a team that went 16-4 on their way to a Stanley Cup. THAT, my friend, is utter nonesense.

I find I have been lucky enough to see my team lose to the eventual Stanley Cup winner three consecutive years in a row, blessed to have seen them win division and fonference after division after conference, two consecutive President's Trophies and one of the greatest athletes to wear the Vancouver uniform.

Most people give up just before being successful. To me, this is where the Canucks are. Three years of losing to the eventual Stanley Cup winner is a damn good thing. But greed and ego have their way of destroying good things. If the Canucks can resist trading Luongo for the sake of a trade, having two very fresh goaltenders going into te playoffs on a shortened, intensified season, they might just pull off a Stanley Cup win.

Giving this team to a rookie is formally closing the window of opportuity that is before us.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:39 AM

Starting to think 101 is coach AV.
Divine rights like Lu saying do not pull me in game 3 against Boston was the beginning of our demise.
Divine rights is why a player playing better going into the World Juniors like Corrado did not get picked, it is why Malcolm Subban was given the undisputed #1 position until it was to late, even though in many of the games leading into the tourny the other goalies were playing much better.
You always do what is best for the team, and what is best for this team is to trade the guy did not put the team 1st(Luongo) , so you can keep the guy who trusted GMMG and signed a contract that even though Lu is still here saved Gillis a massive headache and not putting him in a bind by becoming a RFA.


By that rationale, Kesler should be traded for the demise of both Umberger and Hodgson.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:44 AM

Schneider is a 26 year old backup with great numbers. Is he a 1G? Fact is, we don't know yet whereas we know that Luongo has brought instant credibility to Vancouver as a perenial Cup competior. Never in its history was it considered as such. Whether the guy is 18, 26 ot 36, 70 games doesn't make you a sure thing. Luongo is a sure bet to get you into the playoffs and the meltdowns are an indication of other aspects of the game the Canucks play; not entirely Luongo's sole fault.

Concerning Kesler, no one can deny the massive ego that guy has. My contention is that Kesler's ego is bigger than the Canucks organization and has cost Hodgson who was deemed the next captain. When he's healthy, on this team, Kesler is the best option for 2C duty. But Kesler was injured while Hodgson was wanting to help and AV and Kesler didn't let that happen. Today, we might have had Hodgson playing part-time 2C while Kesler recovered just in time for the playoffs against th Kings, and Hodgson now ready to take on 2C duty while Kesler recovers for the two eventual surgeries he required. Kesler is at fault, as well as AV.

Call it nonesense if you must, the reality is, something went awfully wrong in the backdrop that has made for the Canucks losing their prized rookie and their 2C for an undertermined amount of time and now they're about to lose their 1G because it happens that they didn't fare well agaimst a team that went 16-4 on their way to a Stanley Cup. THAT, my friend, is utter nonesense.

I find I have been lucky enough to see my team lose to the eventual Stanley Cup winner three consecutive years in a row, blessed to have seen them win division and fonference after division after conference, two consecutive President's Trophies and one of the greatest athletes to wear the Vancouver uniform.

Most people give up just before being successful. To me, this is where the Canucks are. Three years of losing to the eventual Stanley Cup winner is a damn good thing. But greed and ego have their way of destroying good things. If the Canucks can resist trading Luongo for the sake of a trade, having two very fresh goaltenders going into te playoffs on a shortened, intensified season, they might just pull off a Stanley Cup win.

Giving this team to a rookie is formally closing the window of opportuity that is before us.

You have it all backwards. Luongo is 7 years older than Schneider. If we keep Luongo, which we won't, closes our window by a few years. Whereas Schneider is the younger and arguably better goalie and will be the Canucks' starting goalie, maybe even elite goalie, for the next ten years. What we get in the Luongo trade will make us younger, better, and keep our window open for a long time.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:47 AM

One bad playoffs and all the bandwagon fans in this city throw you under the bus. First Luongo then Edler. I shutter at the thought of who will be the scapegoat once Luongo is gone. Back to the Sedins? Schnedier? Edler again?

Canucks fans will b quick to blame Schneider obviously... Unless he post 3 or 4 shutouts in the Stanley cup final and score the GWG in ot each game:)
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:48 AM

You have it all backwards. Luongo is 7 years older than Schneider. If we keep Luongo, which we won't, closes our window by a few years. Whereas Schneider is the younger and arguably better goalie and will be the Canucks' starting goalie, maybe even elite goalie, for the next ten years. What we get in the Luongo trade will make us younger, better, and keep our window open for a long time.


Check out what happens when teams decide to go that route. Colorado, Minnesota, NYR, Montreal, Vancouver and many other franchises made that very fatal mistake of believing in the other, younger guy. The revolving door starts and the team is eventually dismantled. No more is the franchise great.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:51 AM

I can't help but think all the Luongo haters/Schneider praisers were the same people who 5 years ago were Cloutier haters/Luongo praisers..
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:52 AM

One bad playoffs and all the bandwagon fans in this city throw you under the bus. First Luongo then Edler. I shutter at the thought of who will be the scapegoat once Luongo is gone. Back to the Sedins? Schnedier? Edler again?


Canucks fans will b quick to blame Schneider obviously... Unless he post 3 or 4 shutouts in the Stanley cup final and score the GWG in ot each game:)


I can't help but think all the Luongo haters/Schneider praisers were the same people who 5 years ago were Cloutier haters/Luongo praisers..


Now that is exactly the reson I believe Vancouver will never win a Cup; the fans are too finicky, panic button friendly. Patience is not a word I would describe the average citizen living on a faultline.

Luongo haters/Schneider turned Cloutier haters/Luongo praisers will become Schneider haters/ Lack praisers within the next 3-5 years.

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 10 January 2013 - 11:55 AM.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:54 AM

Check out what happens when teams decide to go that route. Colorado, Minnesota, NYR, Montreal, Vancouver and many other franchises made that very fatal mistake of believing in the other, younger guy. The revolving door starts and the team is eventually dismantled. No more is the franchise great.

Try putting a positive spin on something rather than preaching doom and gloom. You don;t have a crystal ball and have no reason on earth to believe Schneider will fail. Try a glass half full attitude mr negative.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

Now that is exactly the reson I believe Vancouver will never win a Cup; the fans are too finicky, panic button friendly. Patience is not a word I would describe the average citizen living on a faultline.

Luongo haters/Schneider turned Cloutier haters/Luongo praisers will become Schneider haters/ Lack praisers within the next 3-5 years.

as if the fans dictate whether we win the cup or not., The stands have been filled for years with Canuck fans and is a very successful franchise. Give your head a shake man.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

If the Philly myth is true, i can see them dishing up Talbot as part of their package. Fairly decent 2-way center made expendable by Couturier. $1.75m cap hit for 4yrs too. Not bad.

I'd also aim for Ben Holmstrom. Not a heckuva lot of upside, but another 'alright' undrafted pesty prospect. However the Canucks have a few of those types already.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

Kadri can't play 2nd line for the leafs but all of a sudden he's good enough to play 2nd on the canucks.

love that LOGIC!!!!

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Not saying he could play on our 2nd line but Kadri does have the skill to play on a 2nd line but he defense is sub par the Tml have more then enough skilled no defense guys. Having 1 isn't going to hurt you as much as having 3 per line.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:16 PM

Now that is exactly the reson I believe Vancouver will never win a Cup; the fans are too finicky, panic button friendly. Patience is not a word I would describe the average citizen living on a faultline.

Luongo haters/Schneider turned Cloutier haters/Luongo praisers will become Schneider haters/ Lack praisers within the next 3-5 years.

Tin pot GMs like you have all the answers..right?
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

Try putting a positive spin on something rather than preaching doom and gloom. You don;t have a crystal ball and have no reason on earth to believe Schneider will fail. Try a glass half full attitude mr negative.


I guess I just have to put exclamation marks on all of my posts while blindly walking the valley of shadows with homer glasses on?

as if the fans dictate whether we win the cup or not., The stands have been filled for years with Canuck fans and is a very successful franchise. Give your head a shake man.


In this case as with many others, fans do dictate how a franchise does by their mass behavior. In this case, the loud GTFO's toward Luongo via media is forcing Gillis' hand. Just listen to Team 1040 for one night and you'll see little b!tch fans running their mouths like little vindictive girls after a bad one night stand; for 6 HOURS! I stopped listening to the after hours talk because all it is is fans bitching and the media bitching and it becomes a mass bitchfest. If I want a bitchfest, I'll go to an orgy. If I want to listen to hockey, I certainly expect hockey.

So the fans and the media do influence decision making quite a bit.

How about booing your goaltender when he needs fans most?

Edited by Canucks_Hockey_101, 10 January 2013 - 12:21 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:21 PM

Tin pot GMs like you have all the answers..right?


No, and a disgruntled, vindictive, out-for-blood mass neither.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:24 PM

To Philly:
Luongo and Schroeder

To Vancouver
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

Now that is exactly the reson I believe Vancouver will never win a Cup; the fans are too finicky, panic button friendly. Patience is not a word I would describe the average citizen living on a faultline.

Luongo haters/Schneider turned Cloutier haters/Luongo praisers will become Schneider haters/ Lack praisers within the next 3-5 years.


I'm a huge Schneider fan. In fact I personally hope Luongo is traded so we can get 1 or 2 scoring forwards which is the Nucks biggest hole right now. I have never been one to think the grass is always greener on the other side. I read these crazy forums completely open minded and open to all opinions. At the end of the day there's only one player we need to have faith in... Mike Gillis will make the best decision for this club. Outside of his opinion, this is all white noise.....

Oh ya, fans don't depict who wins the cup... Tampa Bay and Carolina won with a combined 15 fans.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

If the Philly myth is true, i can see them dishing up Talbot as part of their package. Fairly decent 2-way center made expendable by Couturier. $1.75m cap hit for 4yrs too. Not bad.

I'd also aim for Ben Holmstrom. Not a heckuva lot of upside, but another 'alright' undrafted pesty prospect. However the Canucks have a few of those types already.

I like Talbot, but at first glance he's another bottom 6 guy who gets 20-30 points a year. Maybe still an upgrade over Lappy and Manny but not by a lot. I'd rather aim a bit higher, unless the package is more enticing above Talbot.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

I'm a huge Schneider fan. In fact I personally hope Luongo is traded so we can get 1 or 2 scoring forwards which is the Nucks biggest hole right now. I have never been one to think the grass is always greener on the other side. I read these crazy forums completely open minded and open to all opinions. At the end of the day there's only one player we need to have faith in... Mike Gillis will make the best decision for this club. Outside of his opinion, this is all white noise.....

Oh ya, fans don't depict who wins the cup... Tampa Bay and Carolina won with a combined 15 fans.


Hahahah good point on the 15 fans of Tampa n canes.

I'm a huge fan of Schneider too. That being said I'm an even bigger luongo fan. My questoon for u is, what makes u confident that Schneider can be the number one goalie we need to get the cup? He hasn't proven much.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:50 PM

Problem with Lu going to Philly is, who would they dump Bryz on?
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

I'm a huge Schneider fan. In fact I personally hope Luongo is traded so we can get 1 or 2 scoring forwards which is the Nucks biggest hole right now. I have never been one to think the grass is always greener on the other side. I read these crazy forums completely open minded and open to all opinions. At the end of the day there's only one player we need to have faith in... Mike Gillis will make the best decision for this club. Outside of his opinion, this is all white noise.....

Oh ya, fans don't depict who wins the cup... Tampa Bay and Carolina won with a combined 15 fans.


Talking hockey crazed markets like Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and now Winnipeg. Those places are the hardest places to win a Cup because the fans are out for blood if the ship goes slightly off course. In Vancouver's case, it's goaltending. In Toronto, its star factor. In Montreal, its the frech connection between the population, players and management. In Winnipeg it will be something definite once the honeymoon fades.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:20 PM

Now that is exactly the reson I believe Vancouver will never win a Cup; the fans are too finicky, panic button friendly. Patience is not a word I would describe the average citizen living on a faultline.

Luongo haters/Schneider turned Cloutier haters/Luongo praisers will become Schneider haters/ Lack praisers within the next 3-5 years.


panic button?... He's had SIX years to try and get a cup, hardly considered a panic. 3 of them had major meltdowns, 1 we lost in over time because Lu put his hand up thinking there should have been a penalty and got scored on, we didnt make it to the playoffs in 1 and the last 1 he was replaced by cory.

Luongo is a good goalie but he has had his chance. He would still be our go to guy if we didnt have a young star on the rise. This has nothing to do with vancouver fans but more just common sense. If the 29 other gms in our league were in the exact same position we are in, with the exact same players, they would go with the young rising star and uncuff themselves from that crazy contract. Do you go with the shaky playoff guy with 5-6 years of good hockey left or the young stud guy with 10-12 years of good hockey left? common sense bud
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:23 PM

SPORTSNET.CA/ESPN.COM: Mark Spector and Pierre LeBrun cite sources claiming Brian Burke’s unwillingness to swing a trade for Roberto Luongo was the last straw for Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment, which fired Burke yesterday and replaced him as Leafs GM with assistant GM Dave Nonis. It’s believed Burke was leery about taking on the remaining ten years of Luongo’s twelve-year contract (at an average cap hit of $5.33 million per season). Spector predicts Nonis’ new press conference will be when he announces the acquisition of Luongo.

TORONTO SUN: Mike Zeisberger points out it was Nonis who, as Vancouver Canucks GM in 2006, acquired Luongo from the Florida Panthers. Zeisberger noted the mutual respect between the two, suggesting Nonis could forge ahead with plans to acquire Luongo in “ a deal that could very well involve Tyler Bozak, Nazem Kadri and a third element.”

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch also believes Nonis will push to acquire Luongo, suggesting the return to the Canucks could be ”Nazem Kadri, Tyler Bozak and a second round pick or some variance of that.” Garrioch also reported Senators GM Bryan Murray has received some inquiries from rival clubs about goalie Robin Lehner and Ben Bishop, but he isn’t ready to move either one just yet. Garrioch believes one of those clubs could be the Edmonton Oilers.

NBC SPORTS PRO HOCKEY TALK: Joe Yerdon compiled rumors claiming the Philadelphia Flyers were getting into the bidding for Luongo. Flyers GM Paul Holmgren laughed off the speculation, but that’s done little to silence the rumors, which suggest the Flyers would buy out Ilya Bryzgalov this summer if they acquire Luongo this season.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:23 PM

I can't help but think all the Luongo haters/Schneider praisers were the same people who 5 years ago were Cloutier haters/Luongo praisers..


That is such a moronic statement. 5 years ago luongo was arguably the best goalie in the world. He was in his prime, carried a team with no depth. He was phenomenal. Clouts was not comparable. To think Schneider is not the better option on all levels shows your knowledge is just not there. Time to start feeling bad for him and realize who the better goalie is.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:23 PM

Problem with Lu going to Philly is, who would they dump Bryz on?

Buy him out. That buyout cheque is chump change for their owner.
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