Smashian Kassian Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 True, I just think they would rather have a 1C and trade away other assets. But a deal of Luongo for Weiss and Clemmensen would be awesome for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 You missed the point. I am trying to say that after Weiss, they do not have someone who they know can fill their 1C role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 You think? I think Fleischmann could replace Weiss (He was on the 1st as the LW) Then Mueller or Huberdeau could pick up 2nd line duties, and they get something in return that could help in another area to compensate for that loss in offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Oh no, I "ran down" Lapierre. Were your feelings hurt? He is a Canuck, after all. Fact is that he takes a lot of stupid penalties, which means that his ice-time needs to be limited. And you're now calling Hodgson a floater? OK. Did his "Hardest Working Player" award, as voted by the OHL coaches, tell you that one? With Goc, fact is that he was a 20th overall pick that really hasn't ever amounted to anything. He's basically just a body - kinda like what Sami Pahlsson was, who you inexplicably think had such an effective run as a Canuck, so I guess it's not surprising that you're interested. Bring up all the obscure, meaningless stats that you can to try and validate your claim, fact is that Marcel Goc would not have a material impact on this team. Can I make a guess and assume that you were also in favor of the Marco Sturm signing, when it happened? How was his CORSI score? As for Weiss, sure, he's their top C, but it's also widely known that negotiations aren't going well between the two. To make sure that another Bouwmeester doesn't happen, I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved. The chance of Weiss being a Panther for the 2013-14 season, anyway, and beyond, is probably low, so it becomes logical for them to trade him. And besides, they've got the great Nick Bjugstad in their system, so who the heck needs Stephen Weiss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Oh no, I "ran down" Lapierre. Were your feelings hurt? He is a Canuck, after all. Fact is that he takes a lot of stupid penalties, which means that his ice-time needs to be limited. And you're now calling Hodgson a floater? OK. Did his "Hardest Working Player" award, as voted by the OHL coaches, tell you that one? With Goc, fact is that he was a 20th overall pick that really hasn't ever amounted to anything. He's basically just a body - kinda like what Sami Pahlsson was, who you inexplicably think had such an effective run as a Canuck, so I guess it's not surprising that you're interested. Bring up all the obscure, meaningless stats that you can to try and validate your claim, fact is that Marcel Goc would not have a material impact on this team. Can I make a guess and assume that you were also in favor of the Marco Sturm signing, when it happened? How was his CORSI score? As for Weiss, sure, he's their top C, but it's also widely known that negotiations aren't going well between the two. To make sure that another Bouwmeester doesn't happen, I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved. The chance of Weiss being a Panther for the 2013-14 season, anyway, and beyond, is probably low, so it becomes logical for them to trade him. And besides, they've got the great Nick Bjugstad in their system, so who the heck needs Stephen Weiss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 You missed the point. I am trying to say that after Weiss, they do not have someone who they know can fill their 1C role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I've had a very firm position this whole time - you pretty clearly just have difficulties comprehending it. It's actually quite simple; the Canucks should've traded Schneider while his value was sky-high, ideally after the 2010-11 Cup run. We could've gotten back something of great value from a whole lot of teams - Schneider has no NTC. Since Gillis made the wrong move by doing nothing, we've been backed into a position where we're being forced to move Roberto Luongo. Two negatives there:Being "forced" to sell something immediately reduces your bargaining positionLots of constraints around Luongo: NTC, old, expensive, signed until 2022. All of these things reduce our bargaining position. Have I ever said that Luongo's not any good? NO! My entire issue with this thing is that Gillis got too greedy with his two goaltenders, and we're now selling a good asset in Luongo with very little leverage in a weak market. Schneider would've gotten us a lot more in return and it's debatable as to who the better goaltender is, at this point. Understand yet? Or do you need pictures/diagrams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberries Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Because any winger can be converted into a center overnight...right. Fleischmann is not a center/winger - he's a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Because any winger can be converted into a center overnight...right. Fleischmann is not a center/winger - he's a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 OK, I was nice to you in my last post but WTF? We should have traded Schneider? Dude...Schneider will be a top 10 NHL goalie after this season...mark my words. I'm sure glad you aren't GM of the Canucks. In fact, please remove King from your name and replace it with peasant. That would be more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Just curious, king, what does the ES stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 the rumours are already well under way King, without your go-ahead. p.s. "probably absolutely" is pretty faulty logic King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Just curious, king, what does the ES stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 You should check your sources - both of you appear to have taken too many... And Weiss is the missing piece? Schenn and Gardiner are future franchise players? Definitely new news to me. I get a kick out of the armchairs here who think they know all the players that are and aren't on the table. Anyone can be hockeyyyyinnnssssssidderrrrrrrr!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 http://forecaster.th...player.cgi?3081 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 And you think an aging goalie on the decline can get us a top 6 forward, top 2 d-man and top prospect with 1st line potential. It's laughable really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Its only debatable by King and a few Luongo diehards as to who is the better goalie at this point. Of course King carries the day because he knows everything. This isn;t even a Luongo thread anymore...its King's playground and most buy into his need for attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 You missed part of the quote, from the lone source that would try to pretend Fleischmann is a winger/center. "His play without the puck, as well as his face-off skills (if he plays center) are generally lacking." Same source. Is a winger, was a winger before making the NHL, and will remain a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 It ain;t Extra Special !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 If it's so obvious that Schneider is the better goaltender, why wasn't he the starter for the whole season? Or did it just become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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